That feels so much better now.
Moyes So Far!
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That feels so much better now.
The league was very shit last season and Chelsea/Arsenal/City improved. The 89 points were misleading, after all we play only those 3 teams every week. If only we would have some games against the likes of WBA, Soton, Everton or Newcastle to get some points, we would have been in a better position.
What I dont understand is why Moyes doesnt give the players a rollocking. It seems like too often he and many of the players seem to think that we are actually playing decent stuff, but just arent getting the rub of the green. The only person who seems to have actually stated the obvious is Darren Fletcher when he flat out said that we just arrent good enough and we arent performing to the required level. I sincerely hope Moyes doesnt really believe the crap he has been spewing to the press about luck and referees, and it seems like it's time him to actually grow a pair and put some fear into the players. I think thats the only thing that will get them back to where they should be.
I remember being relegated from the top flight. I guess you weren't born. Life and death, seriously?
Drink and booze. Seriously.
Perhaps we should bring him back in a pure hairdryer function. Instead of a director of football or such continental nonsense we create a director of bollocking position at the club. Have him tear into the overpaid twats at half time whether they play well or not - get the fear of God back into 'em.
It's all a bit of fun. Take a chill pill.
Exactly.
If we were in the same position we're in now, but had been entertaining, most of us would be happy I think. Or happier at least. With positive, entertaining football, you'd enjoy being a spectator and you'd have optimism for the future. All you need really.
This post explains it better (the Barca situation)
Exactly.
I wonder what would happened if Barcelona sided with rijkaard and got rid of xavi, iniesta and co due to their shit season.
We'd probably have two more champions leagues that's what
Xavi wasn't that good, Iniesta wasn't even playing. There were questions about Pyoul, Henry had not worked that well. They could have replaced them instead of Riijkard.
We can also replace our players (which will be way more costly) but will that make such a big difference?
I think there's question marks over a couple of the players you've mentioned as well. That said, Moyes is getting off quite lightly for what has been an appalling first half of the season. I don't think many expected it to be a smooth handover and it was clear the squad was flawed yet every other squad in the league (even City's) was flawed but they didn't spend a whole summer bollocksing around. They also haven't been completely disorganised with no semblance of any kind of positive, coherent football, they don't look demoralised and they don't look drained physically. As I said in the 'Stick or sack' thread, he needs to be given more time to build his time and I think we will improve but I don't believe that we're going to make anything like the signings that we're briefing we're planning on making and I have little confidence that David Moyes is the man to make us an exciting, successful side.
Yeah, it helps me forget about the results. Thanks guy.
Another arguably positive feature of Moyes' reign is that defeats no longer hurt and are now the expectation going into a match. Really delighted with the amount of confidence he's managed to instill into the players. The players look honoured to be playing for a manager as talented as Moyes. Enthralled by how dynamic and threatening we look going forward, and how organised and robust we are defensively.
Spoony, don't you think that in this day and age, there will be like a domino effect if we have a bad season? It's not like it was 20 years ago, even 10. We struggled to get players to come to us as league champions - what chance do we have if we're perceived as a team in decline?
What does that even mean? That last year's side was better than 08? It's totally irrelevant to my point anyway, last year Rio Ferdinand made 26 league appearances, this year he can barely run, that's what can happen with older players, it can happen suddenly. Instead of taking the easy option and blaming it all on Moyes why don't you go through our squad in your head and honestly think about who the world class players are, in fact they don't even have to be world class, a player at their peak would be a start.
Yes, but this is worse. The future of the universe is depended on if we sack Moyes or not.
Nothing wrong with that. But Manchester United lows should be not reaching the champions league final for 8 years. Not having mid table mediocrity.
Can we play the same game for the likes of Newcastle? Or Everton? Or Swansea? Or WBA? Or Sunderland? Or Spurs?
We have a few world class players (Rooney, RVP, De Gea, possibly Rafael and Carrick too) and a few very good/with very high potential players. Maybe we aren't that good enough (without a Sir Alex calibre of manager) to win the title, but come on, we are much better than this.
I know how you feel mate.People gathering around, threating you. Takes all you've got to just tell them to back off and stop threating you. For ever.
One positive about Moyes' reign is bringing glory hunters out in the open.
I don't think we're disagreeing as much as you think we are. I'm aware of the Barcelona and Inter situations but neither identical to ours. I'm also not saying Moyes is doing a good job. All I'm saying is our players are not doing what is required of them on the pitch and while Moyes is responsible for picking the team and formation and tactics, it's the players who cross the white line and when they do cross it, most are not providing performances up the standard required.
Whether David Moyes is up to the job or not, he is clearly not incompetent. He has proven that during his decade at Everton. So if the players have no confidence in him that's their problem. He's not some man that won a raffle to get the job. He has a good CV and should be respected by the players.
There's no umlaut in "Moyes".
He looks like he still can't believe he has the job to me, like a kid who's Dad sits him in the front seat of the car and takes the keys out so he can move the steering wheel and make brum brum noises, pretending to drive.
Apart from a deluded few most supporters thought this would be a difficult season, the big problem isn't just the poor results, it's the fact we look like a team with no style or gameplan most of the time unless you count passing the ball to the wing a gameplan. We don't move as a unit and often look disjointed at both ends of the pitch.
I think people would be easier on Moyes if they could see that he has ideas and a system he wants to instill but is just getting through the teething stages, however there's nothing to suggest he has any ideas at all.
Apart from a deluded few most supporters thought this would be a difficult season, the big problem isn't just the poor results, it's the fact we look like a team with no style or gameplan most of the time unless you count passing the ball to the wing a gameplan. We don't move as a unit and often look disjointed at both ends of the pitch.
I think people would be easier on Moyes if they could see that he has ideas and a system he wants to instill but is just getting through the teething stages, however there's nothing to suggest he has any ideas at all.
People gathering around, threating you. Takes all you've got to just tell them to back off and stop threating you. For ever.
Of course it's possible, as it stands we can't compete financially with the oil rich clubs, so it's not entirely out of the realms of possibility that we may not be able to challenge for top spot for a few years. Now of course I wouldn't be pleased if that happened but heh...c'est la vie, there's not much I can do...nor have we the divine right to be successful. Other clubs aren't! It's a bonus isn't it? But fans have the right to moan...I've done it myself.
Honestly think it's more players than the manager. When I look at players like Rooney, Welbeck and Januzaj and see how they're performing then compare it with others, it really does baffle me.
I just think they're under performing and in some cases just not good enough. He needs to bring his own players in. He's done a good job so far with Rooney, Welbeck and Januzaj mainly. He can turn this around.
I just think they're under performing and in some cases just not good enough. He needs to bring his own players in. He's done a good job so far with Rooney, Welbeck and Januzaj mainly. He can turn this around.
You're meltdown is now complete.
RVP has been injured all season, Rafael has been injured most of the season (and he isn't world class, yet) and Carrick has never been world class, oh, and he's also been injured most of the season. Bit of a theme developing there. I'm not saying it has been good enough, however I think it must be rather hard following the greatest manager in history and take over a side who have such obvious weaknesses. You mention Everton, I don't think Cleverley, Valencia, Young or Nani would get into their side. I'm not even sure if Carrick or Rafael would, two players you've named in our top five. Our wingers are atrocious, I'd honestly rather Lallana and Rodriguez, I still don't know how we won the league last year, and that isn't being revisionist, I thought that at the time, we all did, we were all constantly moaning.
Yeh, go make yourself a Horlicks and go to bed, Pimpy. You've having a mare tonight. Seriously, take some time off, have a nice drink, ask the other half for a massage and a bj and get a good night's sleep. You're gonna get yourself banned.
I'd seriously prefer us to play entertaining mid-table stuff than to be like City. I know we're talking of buying new players, but I'd hate to do it like they have and be like Monopoly players on speed, buying everything (everyone) in sight.
have we censored top red now?
edit: yes, yes we have
edit: yes, yes we have
Did anyone else think we were actually quite promising tonight? Looked a bit more fluid and at least looked like we were trying something a bit different (cheers, Januzaj). fecked it up all the same and once again Cleverly proved himself completely unable to even look at the words "tackle" or "defend" without immediately venting his colon all over the place but still. Despite the result this is the least bad I've felt after a match for a while now.
Lose, win or draw I'll still go to games and support the team at OT.
Of course I'm a top red!
Moyes needs to try something different. Shake things up a bit. At the moment the whole reliance on wingers for creating isn't working. Playing Cleverley isn't working. Try 3 at the back maybe with Rafa and Evra as wingbacks or try something else. Maybe bring Powell back and give him a chance.
It doesn't have to work but make the opposition think at least.
At the moment most teams are confident in letting us dominate possession because they know that we will create feck all, because our wingers are piss poor.
It doesn't have to work but make the opposition think at least.
At the moment most teams are confident in letting us dominate possession because they know that we will create feck all, because our wingers are piss poor.
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