Moyes So Far!
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But you see how your post doesn't really make sense? It's irrelevant if Fergie supports him or not, there is a breaking point which they will not entertain. Say he got us relegated this season (obviously never going to happen), it wouldn't matter if Fergie supported him or not, they'd sack him. It's not enough to have Fergie's support, he'd have to surpass their bare minimum expectations first. That's why it's silly saying he will get a few years regardless because of Fergie.
To be fair, fletch came on because Cleverley was a disaster out there, if anything g we stabled a bit with fletch on. Chico started our last game, and bar his goal he was shite, it was last chance saloon to throw him on.
Players are instruments? Riiiight. This isn't a game of FIFA, where Moyes has the controller. Moyes is part of the blame, no doubt. But players have left him town. He may not have set us up right tactically, with the run, cross, fail, repeat shit. But Evra, Rio, Cleverely, Valencia have made right clangers several times. Players need to shoulder some responsibility here, denying that is just wrong.
Our actual performances have been so bad, that's the concern for me. Even a lot of our wins have been on the back of some really poor football. We honestly look like a mid table club without Rooney and RVP. It's annoying, because our group of players are much better than that.
I wish we could just play Bayern Leverkusen every week.
I wish we could just play Bayern Leverkusen every week.
My mistake, there I was thinking it's best for everyone concerned to rectify a mistake as soon as possible, but in order to do the right thing, we should just accept whatever happens to our beloved club.
Let's give Rio & Giggs both 5 year contracts whilst we're at it, they've served us so well in the past, it's the right thing to look after them.
I think Ferguson's support of Moyes is massively relevant.
without Rooney...we lose half the team...and no team can win a football match with half a team.
This is either genius or utterly mental, I'm not sure.
To be fair to him, is the smartest thing he has ever said here. We need to stay on top in order to compete against the likes of sugar dady clubs. We know it all before though, but is still an improvement.
We should bring back Scholes again. And Lee Sharpe. Because it's the right thing to do. After all we are Manchester fecking United Football Club.
Look, I'm arguing against a specific point you made:
"As long as Sir Alex is there he won't be sacked for a few years at least."
That's not correct. You're saying in that statement Moyes can finish any position in the league and he'd still have a job for three years? No, he'd be sacked regardless of what Fergie says if the position was poor enough, as my extreme example showed. Obviously his support is relevant, but there comes a point where it's also out of his hands.
Only up to a point.
If we can't beat Swansea and then get humiliated at Stamford Bridge - very realistic scenario unfortunately - then he will be under absolutely immense pressure.
I hope it doesn't come to that and we get six points from the two.
Moyes will be here to see you become B21, you'll see.
So in order to win the league we need to keep winning the league? That ought to do it, yeah.
I actually agree, to be honest. It's quite weird really, because none of us have any idea as to how much influence Sir Alex still has at the club. I think he'll do all he can to back Moyes, even when everything points to him being wrong.
Come on, we all know how stubborn he is. 39 year old Giggs in central midfield anyone? If he's convinced then he's convinced.
In retrospect, it's almost unfair. It would have been hard for anyone to step into Fergie's shoes, to learn the role at Manchester United... But to ask someone who has never managed at that level to do so is really putting a huge amount of faith in him. It's almost arrogant, really. And maybe it shouldn't be a shock it isn't working.
Yeah, he'll be cleaning the dressing room.
As in, with Ferguson's support it'll be a while before Moyes faces the axe. That's my opinion. Ferguson's presence, in my opinion, will play massively into Moyes hands. The Glazer's, I think, will consult Ferguson.
To be fair Pexbo, if we don't see any improvement from now on 'till the end of the season and we finish somewhere on the midtable, continuing with him is asking for trouble (choosing him from the a billion available managers was asking for trouble too, but this would be another level). Idealism is a great thing, but not that great if you suffer from it. At times, admitting that you made a mistake is better than continue doing it.
I laughed. We'd be doing the same thing to Liverpool in this situation. In fact, we did...
We all hope for 6 points, 1 is more realistic right now.
Beat Mourinho's unbeaten PL home record? You must be having a laugh.
He can do meet and greets at the megastore on match days
"We have unbelievable merchandise in stock today and we'll go again to try better it the next matchday as you fans are unbelievable also"
Massive possibility unfortunately.
I suppose the reality is that none of us know how bad it has to get before Moyes gets shafted. I just don't see the club panicking this season, irregardless of results now as the season is a write off. Ferguson's continued presence will give Moyes extra lives, so to speak.
You're still not taking in Hectic's point mate. It won't be a while before Moyes faces the axe if we continue like this. We'll act like any other big club and sack him.
Whether he faces the axe or not will surely depend on where he finishes in the league, not on how much Fergie supports him which we assume will be all the way through the tough times. If he got the team relegated, there's nothing Fergie would be able to say that would keep him on, which is my point, his advice or input would only be taken upto a point - we just don't know what that point is. Obviously near relegation or relegation would have to be past that point because United aren't suicidal.
Well if you look at my post above I still think Moyes won't be sacked this season, it's already a write off. It's not gonna get too much worse, is it? Top four probably won't happen. We won't go far in Europe. And we could go out of the League Cup. Moyes will be given the chance to build his squad. We're not a panicking club.
Relax before you damage your ticker, buddy. We have no divine right to be successful every year.
I'm still of the belief that Ole will end his tenure here...I could see a massive backlash then
5 out the last 7 league titles. Dominant dross.
Say we finished 17th for arguments sake, do you still think the club won't sack him?
What if we lose 30m on cash for not qualifying on UCL and Glazers being unhappy also for 200m+ drop on shares too, decide to sack the entire board for making a terrible appointment? It isn't a very unlikely scenario, they aren't neither idealists nor people who care about football that much. They are businessmen after all and I don't think that they are remotely happy with the way finances will get affected if things don't improve. Personally I think that money will have the last call, not SAF. If they lose money, Sir Alex or no, Moyes will gonna be sacked.
Well the board must know we've a very good chance of finishing outside the top four now. They must also know that the squad is massively average and needs serious strengthening. I don't see them panicking and shafting Moyes this season now, irregardless of results. I just don't. Top four won't happen, but Moyes will be given the chance and time to build his own squad. It could be damaging, it could work out. Who knows? I'd genuinely be shocked if Moyes was sacked before next season.
Top red alert!I think most fans are upset, not because we won't win any trophies this season, but because we aren't even competitive or entertaining. Dire football, dire results. When Sir Matt Busby was manager, he reminded the players regularly that the people who filled Old Trafford worked all week looking forward to see United play on Saturday. He also reminded them that those people deserved to be entertained and demanded entertaining football. It so happened that his entertaining football also led to trophies as well. Fans could take poor results if the football were entertaining, but it has been far, far from it. For all the complaints about United last season, the team were always a threat to put on a show. Under moyes, it's been nothing but awful football and awful results. Sir Matt Busby didn't expect people to spend their weekends watching tumescent football out of some masochistic delight in proving oneself to be a "True United Supporter™." Moyes' football has been unimaginative, overly cautious, and ineffective.
Football was, and is, an escape for people around the world from their everyday life. You can't expect people to be happy with the football, in style or results, United have produced this season. Excuses can be made about the squad that was good enough last year but suddenly not this year, but it comes down to the manager. It's his job to produce results as well as entertaining football. Moyes has done neither.
You're still missing my point. I agree with all of that and doubt we will finish outside of Top 7. I'm saying in a worst case scenario where we did fail very hard and finished extremely low, they would sack him and not take the risk of another season with major losses. This says he doesn't have a magical three year period of comfort just because Fergie is there.
The Glazer's are business minded people and have left the footballing decisions to others here. Surely they know the club wouldn't survive should they remove the footballing men in control of the club?
...ahh sell the club to Qatar ...problem solved.
Sheik v Sheik....
all fair then...
Sheik v Sheik....
all fair then...
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