Moyes So Far!

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I so want him to succeed but his decisions baffle me, why wait till the 85th minute to try and make an attacking change when we NEED to win if only for confidence, if only because its always been the United way.

Its like he see's us go behind and then he just gives up and says oh well, we played well, maybe next time.
 
Siorac said:
Sir Alex is just one man. He's not omnipotent and all-powerful.

If we lose to Swansea on Saturday I can't see Moyes survive. Especially with Chelsea away coming up.
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I wouldn't rule out - in case things go all shit - that Fergie wouldn't get sacked/get a honorary chairman title and retire. After all, the mess created by Moyes is mainly his fault, right? It isn't that there weren't better managers available.
 
Sir A1ex said:
There speaks a true spoilt fan. There's a lot more to our football club than whether we win a trophy every season. I for one would rather have a fallow year or two than turn into City. It's not about charity at all, it's about the reasons I love the club, it's what makes us great. Sadly 90% of our global fan base probably don't agree with me.
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90% of our fanbase is what made our club to be one of the biggest, however fickle they are. But we shouldn't resort to telling other people to go and support another team just because they don't agree with your opinions.
 
Livvie said:
I hate feeling so devoid of any positivity. I really don't mind us losing. I don't like it, but I can live with it. But it's hard to live with us actually being embarrassing - even a steady decline would be better than this. But as current league champions it's humiliating.

I don't know if it's David Moyes fault, or the players fault, or the Glazer's fault, or Fergie's fault. Or a mix of the lot.

Giggs and Moyes both think we played well tonight, and it was obviously all the fault of the officials. Brave face? I hope so.
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It's just over-analysis by people who have known little other than success for a long period. Every manager in the world talks bollocks to the media, Moyes is now having every word, gesture and movement torn apart forensically. It's easy to stomach daft old shite when you're winning every week.
 
Siorac said:
Sir Alex is just one man. He's not omnipotent and all-powerful.

If we lose to Swansea on Saturday I can't see Moyes survive. Especially with Chelsea away coming up.
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Sir Alex may be just one man, but he's arguably the most important man.

Anyway, I really don't know what to expect the coming few fixtures. We're in crisis here.
 
.Rossi said:
With Steve Round and Gail Platt on the touchline???

Christ on a bike I don't know which would be worse right now
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It's difficult to do any worse than losing to the club bottom of the league...
 
Sir A1ex said:
There speaks a true spoilt fan. There's a lot more to our football club than whether we win a trophy every season. I for one would rather have a fallow year or two than turn into City. It's not about charity at all, it's about the reasons I love the club, it's what makes us great. Sadly 90% of our global fan base probably don't agree with me.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. As far as I am concerned, this club has standards and a winning attitude that has been wrenched out in barely half a season. We've gone from Champions to 7th place. Just look at what happened with Liverpool and Souness and see how long it took them to recover. I don't want to see the same happen to my beloved club.
 
The thing is, for those who have speculated about sacking him now, it would be very hard to get anyone who could fill in for the remainder of the season and no matter what the position at the moment we still have the Champions League to fight for and that's is obtainable.

Unless Fergie could be coaxed into a bit of crisis management and give us one half a season interim run, he is our best bet for this season, however depressing that sounds at the moment.
 
Did Moyes actually say that he thought we played well tonight? The channel was changed the second the whistle blew so I missed the interviews and analysis.
 
Kid Cunto said:
As long as Sir Alex is there he won't be sacked for a few years at least. Be it a hindrance or not. Sir Alex is stubborn, it will take a lot before he'd admit being wrong in appointing Moyes.
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Rubbish. He isn't invincible just because Fergie is still there. There's obviously a point where they would be willing to call it a day, it just depends on what point that is. If we lost 25 games next season do you think they'd keep him on? It's an extreme example but no of course you don't, so it just depends on what their cut-off point is.
 
Brophs said:
Quite often I find that to be one of those media terms used as a catch all when things aren't going well.

It's two pretty basic things for me:

1. Moyes' performance has been poor so far.
2. So has that of his players.

Beyond that I don't think it's especially complicated. Players can run around and looked pissed off or whatever but it's about putting in performances when it matters. For all of Moyes' faults he's not the reason players can't make simple five yard passes, or don't track their runners, or struggle to do any number of other basics of the game.
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I agree though that some players need to have a look at themselves and as a group they need to have a look at them. So few of them actually get on the ball with intent, far too many players who pass the buck, lose concentration etc. I mean in recent years some of this has been a theme so you wonder if thats just some of the players who are finding it hard to motivate themselves rather than the manager. But when it's a whole group you also have to consider that maybe the manager isn't doing enough to fire them up.

However Moyes might be culpable for putting players on who aren't sharp enough either due to not having played or not being fit. It feels like Clev is constantly playing atm, he's got to be knackered but Moyes has completely looked away at using someone like ando even in the odd game just to freshen it up. It's often quite clear that sloppyness comes in when players are tired.

He's constantly played Valencia, someone clearly under performing and not done anything about it. Fergie let it continue as well but at least he might have been hoping Valencia got back to form, and at least he had RVP fit so it didn't really matter than Valencia was doing nothing. Moyes should be aware that Valencia has been playing below par for such a long time and done something about it. He could have used Hernandez again, or if he hadn't ignored them so much brought in one of Ando/Zaha. Plus Valencia has kept getting in when other senior players were around.
 
Sir A1ex said:
There speaks a true spoilt fan. There's a lot more to our football club than whether we win a trophy every season. I for one would rather have a fallow year or two than turn into City. It's not about charity at all, it's about the reasons I love the club, it's what makes us great. Sadly 90% of our global fan base probably don't agree with me.
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Just because people don't agree, it doesn't mean they are spoiled.
I've seen many a duff year in my time supporting United with some dreadful football (in fact I was pissing and moaning quite a bit in 2009 over the standard of football) but I genuinely feel this is an utter shambles....I said I expected 3rd or 4th with no trophies this year and next year under Moyes....We are not even getting that right now....And that was my lowest expectation
 
Hectic said:
Rubbish. He isn't invincible just because Fergie is still there. There's obviously a point where they would be willing to call it a day, it just depends on what point that is. If we lost 25 games next season do you think they'd keep him on? It's an extreme example but no of course you don't, so it just depends on what their cut-off point is.
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That's what I'm saying. He won't be sacked tomorrow, mainly because Ferguson is there and Moyes is his man. Obviously he won't last the year if this continues.
 
Red Shorts said:
https://vine.co/v/h3uh7A0vjY5 That won't do him much good.
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Sir A1ex said:
There speaks a true spoilt fan. There's a lot more to our football club than whether we win a trophy every season. I for one would rather have a fallow year or two than turn into City. It's not about charity at all, it's about the reasons I love the club, it's what makes us great. Sadly 90% of our global fan base probably don't agree with me.
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Manchester United is fighting an almost impossible uphill battle against financial omnipotent rivals. It has nothing to do with being spoilt. We need to stay on top to survive. It's as simple.
 
I don't think it's being spoilt to expect commitment and passion from your team.
 
Stay positive, people. Sunderland still need a result at Old Trafford. Something only CFC, WBA, Saints, EFC,Toon, Spurs and Swansea have done this season.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Sir Alex may be just one man, but he's arguably the most important man.

Anyway, I really don't know what to expect the coming few fixtures. We're in crisis here.
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He was the most important man, but he isn't any more...

Pexbo said:
We'll just have to agree to disagree. As far as I am concerned, this club has standards and a winning attitude that has been wrenched out in barely half a season. We've gone from Champions to 7th place. Just look at what happened with Liverpool and Souness and see how long it took them to recover. I don't want to see the same happen to my beloved club.
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Well said, persevering with Moyes for another season or two and it could be years before we return to the top, for what?
 
Pimpy the Magic Elf said:
Manchester United is fighting an almost impossible uphill battle against financial omnipotent rivals. It has nothing to do with being spoilt. We need to stay on top to survive. It's as simple.
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It doesn't matter where we are in the table as long as we are all nice to each other. Let's give Anderson another contract while we are at it, the chubby little teddy bear.
 
Kid Cunto said:
That's what I'm saying. He won't be sacked tomorrow, mainly because Ferguson is there and Moyes is his man. Obviously he won't last the year if this continues.
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But you said he won't be sacked for a few years at least because of Fergie being there? He'd be sacked at the end of the season if he got us near relegation, which shows it's irrelevant if Fergie is there or not.
 
B20 said:
Stay positive, people. Sunderland still need a result at Old Trafford. Something only CFC, WBA, Saints, EFC,Toon, Spurs and Swansea have done this season.
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You're just revelling in all this, aren't you?
 
Hectic said:
Rubbish. He isn't invincible just because Fergie is still there. There's obviously a point where they would be willing to call it a day, it just depends on what point that is. If we lost 25 games next season do you think they'd keep him on? It's an extreme example but no of course you don't, so it just depends on what their cut-off point is.
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That's the thing, we have no idea what our cut off point is, because we've had the same manager for 26 years. The likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs on the other hand would generally know when their board has had enough.
 
Cal? said:
Well said, persevering with Moyes for another season or two and it could be years before we return to the top, for what?
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Because it's the right thing to do. Moyes can have as long as he likes to try and make it work. It doesn't matter if we get relegated.
 
Hectic said:
But you said he won't be sacked for a few years at least because of Fergie being there? He'd be sacked at the end of the season if he got us near relegation, which shows it's irrelevant if Fergie is there or not.
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I think he'll be given two seasons as long as Ferguson's there and continues to support him, which I see him doing.
 
Shark22 said:
That's the thing, we have no idea what our cut off point is, because we've had the same manager for 26 years. The likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs on the other hand would generally know when their board has had enough.
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No, we don't, but what we do know is that they do have a cut-off point and it won't be stopped by Fergie saying no.
 
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