Moyes So Far!

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Just to put my post into context....

Tell me how we were playing tonight? What was the plan? Yet again, absolutely zero cohesion. Give ball to Valencia and cross ball, fail, repeat. What the hell is he doing about it? Its the same game in, game out. Yes, players have let him down but dear god he is showing zero signs of even attempting to change what were doing.

Even his biggest fans need to be asking questions.
 
Moyes destroyed the fundament of this club by getting rid of Ferguson's tried and proven back office. That's his biggest crime.
 
lem8sh said:
Other sides have improved we haven't, surely people can see that? We have stood still bar the RVP signing. This midfield issue has been going on for years, we can't rely on Carrick forever. Valencia has been out of form for 18 months now, Nani crocked, Young is average. We brought on Fletch for Cleverley tonight that says it all really. Bar Carrick we don't have a midfielder that would play for the City, Arsenal or Chelsea sides of today. When you then lose your two best strikers that compounds matters.
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So the crux of your argument is that in ONE transfer window all of the other sides have improved to the point where we are now suddenly a midtable side? Our players are better than liverpool's, everton's , spurs' and on par with every squad in the country except for mancity. Sadly, our manager is not.

He chose to play valencia over all our other wingers, and didnt even sign anyone in the whole window. His targets were baines and fellaini. That says it all.
 
I want to give him a chance but he doesn't help himself with some of his poor decisions, coupled with negative, shit, static football

- starting and playing a 40 year (Giggs) for 90 minutes
- continually picking Valencia who is hopelessly out of form
- bringing on a holding midfielder when chasing a game
- playing Cleverley when his confidence and form is an all the low
- overlooking players such as Zaha and Fabio (when available)
 
I'm starting to change my mind about Moyes, he's not improving. In fact I think we are going backwards.
 
The players are really not helping him. They are the ones with the years of experience winning leagues and cups but so many of them are passengers or hiding this season, they're not playing for him but they should be playing for United.
 
4 losses on the trot and I think he should go. We as fans have been loyal as hell during this season; I have seen the forums of chelsea fans and City fans, and they have been far more gruelling in far nicer periods with their clubs, and in the end their managers gets the chop. Even today I am still seeing fans backing him, but I am close to sitting on the other side of the fence and wanting him out. I don't expect greatness with this man at all, I really can only see mediocrity for the future should we stick. His tactics are horrible, we're much slower than our usual patient tempo, our attack is more predictable, and our urgency on and off the ball is despairing. Off the pitch we have a man who looks desolate, someone who looks as if he has just seen his dog run over right before his eyes and doesn't know how to react.

Out of depth, and he is making us more and more of a laughing stock by each match he goes into. I would have no problem with him going sadly, and I have tried my absolute best to be positive after every mistake he has made, which is painful to think about.
 
- Looks more and more like a white walker with each passing match
- Talked to himself for about 45 seconds, probably worth getting a Moyes cam to see what's going on there
- Looked like he wanted to chuck his own poo at the players after the match - still might

Observations.
 
I bet some senior players (Rio) don't like Moyes and talk behind his back, destroying the morale. I think the dressing room is lost. If that's true (hope it isn't) there's only two options - Moyes gets rid of the influential players (Rio) or Moyes loses his job.
 
I started to creep into the Moyes out camp after the Swansea debacle. Was just too much for my eyes. Tonight was no surprise. Most of our good results have come at the hand of Rooney. As soon as he isn't fit, it has exposed the stark lack of playing ethos this team has under Moyes (so far).

Thing is, he must be desperately close to the chop now. But who on earth is going to take over? I know this has been asked but could it be out of the frying pan into the fire?
 
The players aren't or won't play for him as dumb as that is, its like AVB at Chelsea all over again.
 
MJJ said:
So the crux of your argument is that in ONE transfer window all of the other sides have improved to the point where we are now suddenly a midtable side? Our players are better than liverpool's, everton's , spurs' and on par with every squad in the country except for mancity. Sadly, our manager is not.

He chose to play valencia over all our other wingers, and didnt even sign anyone in the whole window. His targets were baines and fellaini. That says it all.
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Slightly unfair, Baines is one of the best left backs around at the mo. Fellaini seemed reasonable in potential and was only after screwing up on perfectly good targets. The problem is not enough changes fast enough in the transfer window. Too much dilly dallying with stupid valuations.

As for sticking with Valencia, who else Nani (the king of inconsistency). The fact is we don't have enough on the wings, but yes we could certainly change our tactics to ensure we don't get constantly caught out by the weaknesses in our squad.

Just heard first time to lose 3 in a row in almost 13 years. Moyes seems to be getting a lot of these many years since last F*ck up in a long time! The wrong kind of records!
 
Getsme said:
I'm starting to change my mind about Moyes, he's not improving. In fact I think we are going backwards.
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We are definitely not going forwards! That must be the most delayed epiphany ever.

Moyes is certainly making my days at work harder.......................so many City fans!!!!!
 
I think im becoming one of the few "voices of reason" on here, but there is still the second leg, and we might actually be able to play our top 2 players.

Or it might go worse...but I think it'll turn soon.
 
I can't really see what was unlucky about tonight.

The own goal would have been converted by the Sunderland player and was down to poor marking and the pen was one of those which could go either way. Nothing unlucky about either of that.

The only unlucky thing I'd say is that on any other night, Januzaj would have scored at least one as he was close a few times.

There's nothing unlucky about the way we played in the first half when we had control of the match but committed very few players into the box. We failed to capitalise on our chances to take charge of the match and like most times this season we never managed to pull a losing position around.

The only unlucky thing Moyes has had is the extent of the injuries in the last six weeks and tonight we had Rafael and Carrick back and only RVP, Jones and Rooney missing from our best starting eleven.

Luck has been thrown around a lot recently as another mitigating factor to explains Moyes's and the team's piss poor run of results and performances. It sounds desperate and unconvincing.

We are still in the competition but the wider picture of the season is what is concerning most people.
 
Red Dreams said:
when we had the recent run of wins....Rooney was single handedly pulling the team....with him unfit against Spurs and now these games without him....we look lost.

there were no leaders there...not even Giggs.
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Giggs was never ever a leader though. He's just old and respected but in terms of personality he's not a leader.
 
sacking him now would do the club more harm than good. I'm sure those shaking their heads....Charlton, Fergie and others who do have a voice at teh club will be meeting with Moyes...not to give him an ultimatum...but just ask him what he thinks is wrong and what he needs....
 
untitled_6899 said:
I want to give him a chance but he doesn't help himself with some of his poor decisions, coupled with negative, shit, static football

- starting and playing a 40 year (Giggs) for 90 minutes
- continually picking Valencia who is hopelessly out of form
- bringing on a holding midfielder when chasing a game
- playing Cleverley when his confidence and form is an all the low
- overlooking players such as Zaha and Fabio (when available)
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SAF did much the same a lot of the time.

Whoever is our manager come the summer this squad needs a major overhaul. It might as well be Moyes to oversee it IMO.
 
simonhch said:
I started to creep into the Moyes out camp after the Swansea debacle. Was just too much for my eyes. Tonight was no surprise. Most of our good results have come at the hand of Rooney. As soon as he isn't fit, it has exposed the stark lack of playing ethos this team has under Moyes (so far).

Thing is, he must be desperately close to the chop now. But who on earth is going to take over? I know this has been asked but could it be out of the frying pan into the fire?
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I don't even think he's anywhere close to getting fired. The only way Moyes won't be manager of United anymore is if he quits. And that won't happen either, at least not until the end of the season. We're stuck with Moyes for a while yet.
 
An Irish Red said:
I'm convinced that practically everyone thinks he's not good enough only some people are refusing to admit it because they like the whole sentiment of his appointment.
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It was a fairytale appointment. SAF picked him, 6 year contract and he's Scottish to boot. Fairytale stuff that was never going to plan out the way we all hoped it would.
 
MJJ said:
So the crux of your argument is that in ONE transfer window all of the other sides have improved to the point where we are now suddenly a midtable side? Our players are better than liverpool's, everton's , spurs' and on par with every squad in the country except for mancity. Sadly, our manager is not.

He chose to play valencia over all our other wingers, and didnt even sign anyone in the whole window. His targets were baines and fellaini. That says it all.
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Agree totally, I said at the time if the failure to strengthen costs him his job then so be it and I still feel the same. The window was a shambles. With regard to the quality of our players I think our midfield is no better than Spurs, Liverpools etc, not worse but definitely not better.
 
God I really want him to succeed here and supported him but hes making it really hard at the moment. At the start of the season I couldn't wait for our next game as they couldn't come quick enough now I don't want them to come...
 
Red Dreams said:
sacking him now would do the club more harm than good. I'm sure those shaking their heads....Charlton, Fergie and others who do have a voice at teh club will be meeting with Moyes...not to give him an ultimatum...but just ask him what he thinks is wrong and what he needs....
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Tactics.
 
United urgently needs to hire a few historians to remind them what happens to great teams that stop being ruthless. A few fans from Liverpool ought to do the trick, but I suspect even Woodword would be too stingy to even pay them a sandwich.

If the club is allowed to rot too long, we might never recover to those heights again.
 
The players have not bought into Moyes.

Moyes refuses to alter tactics that are clearly not working.

What a disastrous first season, fecking disgraceful.
 
Red Dreams said:
sacking him now would do the club more harm than good. I'm sure those shaking their heads....Charlton, Fergie and others who do have a voice at teh club will be meeting with Moyes...not to give him an ultimatum...but just ask him what he thinks is wrong and what he needs....
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I was fairly certain that sacking mid season would do more harm, but there have been too many bad results against poor teams now.

There's no point going round like cretins and shouting "You should support the manager". It's up to the board to back him with transfer funds which they didn't in the summer.
 
Another loss this coming weekend would be disastrous not only for the club buy for Moyes too.
 
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Slightly unfair, Baines is one of the best left backs around at the mo. Fellaini seemed reasonable in potential and was only after screwing up on perfectly good targets. The problem is not enough changes fast enough in the transfer window. Too much dilly dallying with stupid valuations.

As for sticking with Valencia, who else Nani (the king of inconsistency). The fact is we don't have enough on the wings, but yes we could certainly change our tactics to ensure we don't get constantly caught out by the weaknesses in our squad.

Just heard first time to lose 3 in a row in almost 13 years. Moyes seems to be getting a lot of these many years since last F*ck up in a long time! The wrong kind of records!
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He is a good LB yes, but I am already tired of valencia and his endless crosses. I cant imagine how many more crosses per game we would try if we would have gotten baines in as well and fellaini in the starting lineup. Moyes wanted fellaini from the start but didnt pay his release clause as he wanted baines included in the deal. Why the feck didnt he go and sign some other LB rather than wasting the whole transfer window chasing baines.

And he passed up on thiago alcantara as he didnt have enough data to see he would be one of the best cms in the world in the future.

Play zaha, play lingaard, give nani a run or even play young. Atleast they try something different.Or tell the players to try passing the ball through the middle for once. But no, all we get is valencia and his majestic crosses regardless of how the game is playing out.
 
Unbelievable. How can the same things keep happening. We're so slow to start games, I mean we used to be really slow at starting games but this is shocking.

Valencia and Clev either playing poorly or looking knackered yet keep playing and he doesn't accept it's a problem until it's so late to turn the game around. With Giggs today starting very slowly that's 3 out of our 6 attacking spots being more of a hindrance than anything. I means he's really boxed himself in with his options now with injuries. I don't exactly rate Ando but he's not so bad that he can't play at all and certainly is better than a completely shattered Clev but he's frozen him out and likewise Zaha. Again can he be so bad that he couldn't have offered us anything. But he's been so frozen out that he's just a wasted spot on the bench now. It's not like he was a completely unkown, and Moyes had plenty of time to look at him and Ando in pre-season, if he really didn't rate them why keep them?

Then with his subs I just feel he keeps getting it wrong. He leaves it really late and he rarely addresses the main problem imo which is a lack of creativity. It's such a shame to see Adnan just completely isolated, I know Kagawa hasn't been great but I really can't see how we couldn't involve him more centrally when we're so struggling for players able to play through crowded areas.

Either way he's not motivating the players well enough and continually remaining oblivious to the same issues again and again. Very disappointing and pretty concerning at the moment.
 
I do kind of pity him but he has made his own problems as well.

Initially it seems he either wasn't backed in the transfer window or he was just to indecisive (which is something I've heard he was from his Everton days) which obviously hasn't helped. The one signing we did make isn't fit and when he was he struggled a lot.

The biggest problem he made himself I thought, I'm all for bringing a few of your own faces in, its familiarity for you, but that works both ways. The players and the club need familiarity and he basically got rid of the whole backroom stuff for his own team which was clearly a pretty big mistake. The likes of Neville and Giggs would of been good as backroom staff with an extra bit of support from people they know but that didn't seem to happen, instead everyone is either new to a coaching job or new to the club.

The comparisons to Fergie taking over as has been pointed out is bullshit as Fergie did inherit a team in an awful position, Moyes got the league champions. Yes it may not be the best team ever but they're not bad enough to lose 3 games in a row (and 4 of their last 5 home games?) It was always going to be a struggle but this is pretty awful, the team looks flat and is struggling to score. It simply has gone backwards, Fergie was obviously a very very good manager but to constantly pin the blame on that is just a bit lazy, Moyes obviously has struggled and it is telling.

I do feel sorry for him, it's never nice to see something like this happen but he has to take a look at himself and it has to change. The players need to improve but so does the management. There is the need for a clear out but then I don't know if I'd have confidence with Moyes to find he right replacements!

A loss this weekend and I do think he's under a lot of pressure.
 
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