Fat fingers and gorilla glass is a bad combo
Moyes So Far!
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Fat fingers and gorilla glass is a bad combo
He manages everton for 10 years, surely he should get a shortlist of his own, or to the very least a detailed info on our players strenght and weaknesses analysis stuffed somewhere in his office?
Mayne Moyes 
honestly lads. Do you think SAF would have expected Moyes to have performed the way he has?
not just team performance...but his entire handling of training, player purchases and backroom staff....
EDIT: I sincerely hope Moyes is not driven by some "I'm my Own Man" complex.
not just team performance...but his entire handling of training, player purchases and backroom staff....
EDIT: I sincerely hope Moyes is not driven by some "I'm my Own Man" complex.
A minor point but why the hell didnt we get Moyes in from May after the last league game? We could have offered Everton a small sum and he would have had a extra month to start with.
Yes maybe but that is fine when you are playing against them, not when they are playing for you.
Oh come on. Most managers have the same problem of having a new squad to manage when they moved to new clubs. They dont need to chop and change for 6 mths to get to know his squad. They train and met everyday ffs
Even us fans have a good idea of everton player, this is a professional managers with years of experience. If he needs 6 mths To get to know the player he trains with everyday, god help him in buying a player he never see
I don't think he is because he hasn't tried to change the way United play at all, its the same tactics/approach that Ferguson has used these last seasons. The same rigid football with an emphasis on width. If he wanted to stamp his authority and prove he was his own man then there was ample opportunity to do so with this side, there is vast potential for improvement in the way we play, and room to try new things.
That's maybe the thing that counts against him and I have said it previously. David, be your own man, don't keep running to SAF, this is now your team and decide how you want to play and buy players to fit it. If the players here cannot adapt, get rid.
Too many fecktards around him I think.
Bring back Mike Phelan!
Bring back Mike Phelan!
The work of Berties or spoilt supporters?
The club fecked up, not just Moyes.
The club didn't tell him: 'go out there and spend 28 million on Fellaini as your only purchase.'
People excusing such incompetence is bizarre. How bad would he have to be before some of you guys stopped defending him? Because, it seems to me, he's done about as badly as he could possibly do.
People excusing such incompetence is bizarre. How bad would he have to be before some of you guys stopped defending him? Because, it seems to me, he's done about as badly as he could possibly do.
The work of Berties or spoilt supporters?
You have to laugh at this carry on.
"Lets scribble GET MOYES OUT on me bed sheet, hang it up at end of the council estate, take a picture and upload it on t'interent! Top idea, that."
I genuinely think the backroom staff are playing a big role, just go and look at their careers prior to joining us - I really doubt they're good enough.
I'm glad we draw the line somewhere.The fact that idea has been mentioned is absurd given our position 6 months ago.
Why did we not try to sign Ozil? The Fellaini fee and a little extra, if only to stop Arsenal signing him.
There's no doubt, our lack of cohension, interplay, movement etc. all stems from what we're doing on the training ground and the instructions the players are receiving.
The forum was hardly thrilled with our previous regime in fairness (hence the billion page zombie passing thread amongst others) but to downgrade our brand of football from some of the shite we served up prior to this season takes some doing...
What a ridiculous reason to sign a player.
We wouldn't have made proper use of him, he was overpriced to be honest and wasn't a priority in terms of our needs. Just because we had a shit transfer window doesn't mean Ozil was the answer.
No we probably wouldn't have signed them at all. We've been linked with both for years and never signed either. How the feck you think you're certain we'd have signed them both is beyond me, though it's obvious that you're just trying to create another issue to lambast Moyes over.
I see where you're coming from but I don't think we need a massive overhaul and I don't think it's a pre-requisite that a new manager needs to make a massive change in the style of a team. Our attacking approach isn't really the problem it's the failure of key players (ie the wingers) to do their part in it and the lack of variety that hinder it. Without some players really stepping up and some major investment in the middle/winger that's a tough ask particularly with our injuries.
For me I can accept him not changing how we play, or improving they way we were playing, that should come with time, I think he's failed to get the most out of those players he's had available. For some players he has I think improved thier performances individually but as a whole he's not got the team to be anywhere near as resolute as we should be.
I don't like this idea though that he only had from the 1st July to prepare. He was probably in as good a position as he could be. He was hand picked by the ex-manager, he's managed against the club and it's players for many years and regardless of what coaches stayed or not the actual main man himself is still around. He really couldn't have asked for much more.
So true. The Fabregas saga was utterly embarrassing and unfortunately an augur of things to come
Yeah I agree, I don't think he needed to drastically change the way we played either and it would be a huge ask for us to expect that. You know I've always been 100% behind Moyes so its not a criticism. My point was in response to RedDreams suggesting he might be driven by a 'be my own man complex', so what I said was in response to that and not a criticism of Moyes. Basically if he wanted to be his own man and make this dramatic change from Ferguson then he wouldn't have gone about this season the way he has - very little has changed, be it in tactics or elsewhere.
For example at the start of the season there was no real intention to drop the experienced/older players and start moving away from Ferguson's side to a Moyes side, such as making the decision to drop Ferdinand and move to Smalling. That's just an example but would be the behaviour of someone who wanted to immediately shake things up and put his stamp on the team. Tactics wise its the same approach and he hasn't tried anything drastic there either.
I've a feeling Mayne Moyes will come good. Once Marianne is back.
Yeah that's fair enough, he was certainly cautious when he first came and probably even now. It's probably that same cautiousness that cost him in the summer. I'm sure we had targets in place and although we can't say as we don't have the details I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were passed up until he knew more on them and whilst you can somewhat understand that at the same time failure to get the required targets has certainly hindered us so far.
But thats speculation, as you said he has favored experienced players or maybe more simple players at times over being a bit braver with younger players or a bit more thoughtful with tactics. Ultimately though the one thing you'd think he'd be strong at, getting the team fighting and steady, which probably would have seen us in fourth. That's the most disappointing thing.
that's a w very good read that goes in line with my opinion about Moyes.
I always rated him as a manger, someone who leads organizations.
I just don;t rate him as football coach.
What people fail to see is that we were very lucky last season and everyone else was just shite. We got out of jail several times and yeah you can point it to desire, playing for SAF or just plain luck. The impression that we were playing free flowing great attacking football last year is a complete myth. People seem to easily imply, 'we have the same league winning squad' and 'this team romped to the title, Moyes has failed with them this time'. The comparisons are miles apart. We have failed in the transfer market, yeah you could point it to Moyes or blame the board. I think it is a bit of both. The fact is everyone else has improved their squads and we have stood still. The lack of investment in the midfield by SAF in past seasons has now finally caught up with us and yes he does need to take some blame.
We have to look at the current situation, 7th in the league, qualified for knockout stages in CL, in semi finals of League Cup. That is not the best record but it certainly is not the worst. I know we are used to title challenging and for some people this has been a rude awakening. Some fans have not been able to handle which is clearly evident on here. People also need to remember that it could easily be alot worse during what is a very rough transition for us. Now the league looks difficult but we are 5 points off the CL places and the team has shown in recent weeks it can put a run together. If we can put another one, we should be in the mix for the CL places allowing us to invest in the summer and make the improvements we need for next season. Sacking Moyes with the above record would be a stupid decision and some fans simply think hiring and firing is the answer to everything. I mean if we were struggling somewhere in the bottom half or near the relegation places, I would understand but people have to understand it was always going to be a difficult transition and we were very lucky last season.
For me Moyes has picked line ups which should have won the matches and the players have simply not performed. He has also had a mare with injuries. Can people really blame him for that and the sill Fabio sending off?
I have no problem in criticising Moyes and I certainly think he has made a few mistakes and if people have genuine criticisms of him then say them instead of calling him a 'Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime' and other stupid things. Someone on here raised a good point that if we sack him and the new manager fails, do we sack him too? Where does it stop? Do we turn ourselves into teams like Chelsea and City hiring and firing at will?
I am one of the few that think Moyes will come good. Obviously if we do not make the CL places it will set us back but stability is a key element to success. Uncertainty also rubs off on the players. This is a rough time for us and the manager needs our backing, Its too easy to sack people but the fact is, he has a 6 year contract and that is a commitment from the board.
We have to look at the current situation, 7th in the league, qualified for knockout stages in CL, in semi finals of League Cup. That is not the best record but it certainly is not the worst. I know we are used to title challenging and for some people this has been a rude awakening. Some fans have not been able to handle which is clearly evident on here. People also need to remember that it could easily be alot worse during what is a very rough transition for us. Now the league looks difficult but we are 5 points off the CL places and the team has shown in recent weeks it can put a run together. If we can put another one, we should be in the mix for the CL places allowing us to invest in the summer and make the improvements we need for next season. Sacking Moyes with the above record would be a stupid decision and some fans simply think hiring and firing is the answer to everything. I mean if we were struggling somewhere in the bottom half or near the relegation places, I would understand but people have to understand it was always going to be a difficult transition and we were very lucky last season.
For me Moyes has picked line ups which should have won the matches and the players have simply not performed. He has also had a mare with injuries. Can people really blame him for that and the sill Fabio sending off?
I have no problem in criticising Moyes and I certainly think he has made a few mistakes and if people have genuine criticisms of him then say them instead of calling him a 'Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime' and other stupid things. Someone on here raised a good point that if we sack him and the new manager fails, do we sack him too? Where does it stop? Do we turn ourselves into teams like Chelsea and City hiring and firing at will?
I am one of the few that think Moyes will come good. Obviously if we do not make the CL places it will set us back but stability is a key element to success. Uncertainty also rubs off on the players. This is a rough time for us and the manager needs our backing, Its too easy to sack people but the fact is, he has a 6 year contract and that is a commitment from the board.
Why do people keep saying that? It's the biggest unjustified myth in football.
Look around, Bayern, Barca, Real, Chelsea & co all change managers regularly.
Sir Alex was the exception to the rule.
We've got a better history of success than Chelsea can ever dream of.
Stability; however, comes in many different forms.
Stability at Bayern comes in a weird way, for one, they continue to buy the Bundeliga's best players from their rivals. That's some form of stability. Also Rumminege, Der Kaiser, et al offer stability at the top level.
Barca has stability in their current line up by having a golden generation of young players in their squad.
Real, like Bayern on a global scale, buys up the best talent there is and have had that odd manifestation of stability for over a decade, not that they have won much in that time but like us compred to Chelsea so to Real to us.
It's arguable of course.
Now with the exception of Sir Alex, can you think of any example where persevering has delivered?
With a manager? I'd have to look into it.
There are no examples, nobody ever perseveres.
well Arsenal's persevering with him the last 8 seasons hasn't paid off yet but I might ignore your question until May.Wenger has almost gone as many seasons without a trophy as Moyes did at Everton 
Yeah I dont understand why its do important to only have one manager for 20+ years either.
Wenger? Moyes at Everton? Ancelotti at Milan?
Granted its a short list but there has been proof that giving a manager time can pay off. Hell one of my examples is our manager. Lets face it after SAF we were going to need to rebuild, getting rid of the staff probably hasn't helped him but in all honesty hes trying to build a squad in his imagine and play with his mentality.
I maintain the squad isn't bad and he hasn't managed to get the best out of it but after working with SAF it was going to take time for the players and coaches to develop a good understanding. I don't think the injuries to our only midfielder and leading goal scorer has helped...
well to every other team around it isn't....seems to be a United disease...
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