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Moyes So Far!
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Rodgers took the 7th placed team to 7th, Moyes is doing the same with the champions. I'm not saying we should sack him now but the Rodgers comparisons are pointless.
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Who knows? He was never gonna get another opportunity like this.
The players havent helped Moyes. But the buck stops with the manager. Its his job to get the best out of them. Even if the average footballer is an overpaid brat.
No one would! He'd want what's he's owed, the glazers won't get rid' it would cost the ginger feckers far to much
I hope we have a get out clause in his contract
He didn't really need that much time though to make a difference. Considering also some of the dross he had to shift before we could start to move forward.
Rodgers came to our club with a vision/ideology of how he wanted us to play. It's still very much a case of 'work in progress'. But up to now, from our point of view, it's been quite encouraging. I suppose the question United fans need to ask, is does Moyes have in his own mind, a similar type of vision regarding Manchester United ?
Why not? We don't know how standard such clauses are in managers' contracts.
Plus, I can't imagine how much negotiating leverage Moyes had. It's not as though there were five top clubs competing for his signature.
If it is the players, who a number need to retire and some are not as good as people thought and were over performing for SAF any new manager would have the same problems unless they can sign some players.
Ha Best comment on here in ages!
I agree Rodgers knew exactly what he wanted from his players and signed players to suit the style. Our players either cannot adapt or he doesn't know what he wants. Either has it's own problems.
I can't see how people still have faith in him. What are they seeing that is seemingly invisible to me? He's gotten very little right at this point and as a manager of man united he has to get the majority of the decisions right rather than the opposite.
From the moment he came in up to now its been disappointment after disappointment, so where's the silver lining? Look the policy of us giving managers a chance is a great one but sometimes even a club with well established traditions like us have to make decisions that are not the norm. When a mistake is made, there's no reason to sit back and watch this mistake manifest itself into a crisis, handle it and take it from there.
The transfer window, the results, the quality of football, and the team selections have been nothing short of a joke so why oh why do some have the desire to see the club go down this road any further? Sticking by a manager sounds like a great plan but what if he just isn't the right man for the job? What do we do then? Watch him destroy what one of the greatest managers of all time rebuilt? The 20+ years between sir matt and sir alex should serve as a reminder to us that we don't have a devine right to be part of the elite. We can give managers a chance but if they are the wrongs ones its going to hurt the club rather than do it any favours.
I need convincing here, where are the positives? Can someone please tell me what they are then perhaps ill develop the same belief in this mans ability as some seem to have. IMO he's proven himself to be nothing short of mediocre. He isn't a winner and that's the biggest worry I have. I'm not just talking about how many trophies he's won, but his mentality out there. It just isn't the mentality to take us forward and for that the lads in the big offices simply have to take the unfortunate decision that they hoped they wouldn't have to.
From the moment he came in up to now its been disappointment after disappointment, so where's the silver lining? Look the policy of us giving managers a chance is a great one but sometimes even a club with well established traditions like us have to make decisions that are not the norm. When a mistake is made, there's no reason to sit back and watch this mistake manifest itself into a crisis, handle it and take it from there.
The transfer window, the results, the quality of football, and the team selections have been nothing short of a joke so why oh why do some have the desire to see the club go down this road any further? Sticking by a manager sounds like a great plan but what if he just isn't the right man for the job? What do we do then? Watch him destroy what one of the greatest managers of all time rebuilt? The 20+ years between sir matt and sir alex should serve as a reminder to us that we don't have a devine right to be part of the elite. We can give managers a chance but if they are the wrongs ones its going to hurt the club rather than do it any favours.
I need convincing here, where are the positives? Can someone please tell me what they are then perhaps ill develop the same belief in this mans ability as some seem to have. IMO he's proven himself to be nothing short of mediocre. He isn't a winner and that's the biggest worry I have. I'm not just talking about how many trophies he's won, but his mentality out there. It just isn't the mentality to take us forward and for that the lads in the big offices simply have to take the unfortunate decision that they hoped they wouldn't have to.
Funny enough you say that, the Berbatov, last minute of deadline day, signing was not great as it slowed down our play completely. We have never really got that tempo back into our play.
Frankel's retired from racing and I've heard he's a bit of a stud.
If the results don't scare the Glazers, this probably will...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...m-being-wiped-off-stock-market-valuation.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...m-being-wiped-off-stock-market-valuation.html
Good, feck them.
I think he would purely because no other club of similar stature would go near him. It's not like even if he got sacked from United he would suddenly become unemployable either.
100% support Moyes
COME ON DAVID MATE!!! feck THE HATERS
COME ON DAVID MATE!!! feck THE HATERS
That's one of the reasons I think the Glazers will sort out this mess before it's too late.
Just for anyone who laughs off the Hodgson comparisons.
I'd actually love to see some back/support shown by either Glazers or Frogie now. There's a tidal wave of shit going to the coast of Moyes and some protection and good word to the fans/media/whoever the feck would've done him and the team good I think.
If he gets sacked he will end managing a team in the bottom half.
He'd get a job at a mid table club fairly sharpish. Half a shite season doesn't eradicate years of great work at Everton.
Bottom half might an exaggeration but looking at that table now the top 7 wouldn't want him.
Just for anyone who laughs off the Hodgson comparisons.
What's worse is that Moyes took over a team that walked the title and won 5 of the last 7, and has led us to the shite we are seeing now.
I don't know where to put this, but I really don't buy into this argument that the crowd are behind him at Old Trafford.
It comes back to an argument I've mentioned before about how just because a crowd doesn't boo doesn't mean that they're amazingly supportive.
Initially, the crowd were right behind him, even after the West Brom defeat and the numerous poor results scattered across the season. Post Ferguson, I think the atmosphere was bound to improve just because it felt as if the team needed support and there was just a 'freshness' in the air. For me though, the Everton game was the shift, and the one Old Trafford match-goer I know personally tells me the same. It was the ignominy of losing to the side that Moyes was supposed to have grown out of. The Newcastle match was silent.
The crowd have just been waiting for something to happen - a spark, a performance. Just anything. Against Spurs, it was more of the same - silence throughout. It's not booing but it's equally as depressing and uninspiring for the players. I'm not saying I blame them for it because it's been dire and it's the same everywhere, but I think there's a realisation that this could have been a massive mistake.
It comes back to an argument I've mentioned before about how just because a crowd doesn't boo doesn't mean that they're amazingly supportive.
Initially, the crowd were right behind him, even after the West Brom defeat and the numerous poor results scattered across the season. Post Ferguson, I think the atmosphere was bound to improve just because it felt as if the team needed support and there was just a 'freshness' in the air. For me though, the Everton game was the shift, and the one Old Trafford match-goer I know personally tells me the same. It was the ignominy of losing to the side that Moyes was supposed to have grown out of. The Newcastle match was silent.
The crowd have just been waiting for something to happen - a spark, a performance. Just anything. Against Spurs, it was more of the same - silence throughout. It's not booing but it's equally as depressing and uninspiring for the players. I'm not saying I blame them for it because it's been dire and it's the same everywhere, but I think there's a realisation that this could have been a massive mistake.
Old Trafford was roaring against Spurs the moment we looked like springing into action. When there was a bit of movement, a half-chance, anything.
I don't know what's going to happen, but I'll support him as long as he's the manager.
He seriously needs to find some bottle though. The players are under-performing, stop tip-toeing around that by saying we played "decent".
He seriously needs to find some bottle though. The players are under-performing, stop tip-toeing around that by saying we played "decent".
Yeh, a spark. Like when Januzaj gets the ball. He does something and gets the crowd up. It's just the way you're playing hasn't inspired any kind of crowd noise or momentum and the longer that's gone on, the more the atmosphere wanes.
A Dortmund fan's view of Kagawa's situation:
http://thepeoplesperson.com/why-manchester-uniteds-expectations-of-shinji-kagawa-are-misguided/
Nail on the head really.
http://thepeoplesperson.com/why-manchester-uniteds-expectations-of-shinji-kagawa-are-misguided/
Nail on the head really.
I usually think that if the crowd are overly supportive when the situation doesn't really merit it, it can come across as false and doesn't actually help the players. A proper atmosphere is when the crowd works in tandem with the team.
Certainly true but it doesn't mean Old Trafford doesn't back Moyes. How many football grounds are cauldrons when things go the worst possible way? I mean even the Britannia went silent and started emptying when we scored our second in that League Cup fixture. Or when we beat them in the league last season.
The crowd pretty much sing his name every single game win or lose. Today the first chant I heard after we went behind was "David Moyes red white army."
Stretty has been lively all season, it actually gets louder when were playing shit.
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