Last season it was good enough for the title
Moyes So Far!
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Last season it was good enough for the title
If we lose to the big teams in the return matches and he is still saying this squad is great he will be in big trouble.
It was with Rooney and RVP firing on all cylinders, they also had fighting spirit. That has evaporated.
He's already in big trouble after the summer screw up, and how our season is going. Instead of coming out with shit like this he should just admit that he wants to do business. He's really losing the fans.
Rooney? I think not.
Tough to get deals done in Jan so I am not going to blame Moyes for that.
And I don't think Fergie would have landed us with Moyes if he didn't think he was up to the task, regardless of his nationality.
That's all very well, but not every single Sir Alex decision is always correct, remember the era of the Djemba x 2 midfield?
Obviously Fergie thought he was up to the job - I'm saying that Moyes being Scottish was a big part of the reason Fergie thought he was the right man.
I was listening to Talkshite last night & Saggers was interviewing an ex-Norwegian footballer (Fjordtoft?) friend of Ole and pundit in his home country. He was talking about the appointment of Ole at Cardiff. One of the interesting things he said was about how players react in the dressing room to a new manager, positively or negatively in terms of respect etc. I'm wondering if, like a lot of posters on here, they were a bit meh about his appointment.
I think that's definitely the case with a few players, with Rio being the biggest suspect. Weirdly, the one player at the club who should have been extra sceptical, given the history between the two of them, has been our best player by far this season.
erm, I think the league table does that better...!
I have to disagree, had he been sitting top or within the top 3 I think the sentiment would've been very different. Besides, it's not as if voting for one meant you 'hated' the others.
Well obviously, but you should check the dictionary definition of exacerbate first.
The fact many of us don't trust him to get it right to begin with exacerbates the problem.
But if we were sitting in the top 3 the majority of people who didn't want him as manager in that thread would hold there hands up & admit they had been too harsh on him.
As much as we all want to think that Moyes is going to get it right because Fergie appointed him, there's no guarantee though. He did make mistakes with certain transfers over the years and in many ways, a manager is a lot like a very big transfer, only you're not exactly making a few of them each year.
My worry is that like others, part of why Moyes was appointed was because he was Scottish and Fergie maybe sees some of himself in the man. If we can't confidently say that a man with an exactly similar pedigree to Moyes would've got the job if he was Spanish or Italian, then that speaks for itself.
Ferguson definitely saw a bit of himself in Moyes, I've no doubt about that.
True, I've tried to keep relatively quiet about Moyes for months to see if he has it in him, unfortunately the answer is pretty clear and I'm left to hoping the Glazers know what they're doing.
most of them would find something else to moan about....eg "if we bought ozil we d be on top" etc
Is an appalling record against other big teams indicative of poor players or poor management and coaching? Blaming the players is fine, but we've looked utterly clueless against the teams above and around us in the table this season, with the rare exception of the home match against Arsenal. That's down to poor management, there is enough quality in the squad to be competitive against teams like Chelsea, Manchester City, and Liverpool, and certainly more than enough to fare better than we have against Tottenham, Everton, and Newcastle.
I don't get it though, I don't really see anything much of SAF in Moyes. We can only go by how he presents himself in public, of course, either in press conferences or in the dugout, but I just don't see the similarities.
Can you see any?
Edit: Actually I see far more of Mou in him, a winner, demonstrative on the touchline, no nonsense from the press etc.
Moyes got the job because he was Scottish and managed to avoid relegation with Everton for a decade on a tight budget. Scottish and value, the two things we were looking for. I genuinely don't believe he would be our manager if not for his nationality, and while Sir Alex is the greatest manager of all time, it doesn't mean he is great at picking a replacement.
True, I've tried to keep relatively quiet about Moyes for months to see if he has it in him, unfortunately the answer is pretty clear and I'm left to hoping the Glazers know what they're doing.
Me too
Going by Moyes at Everton...
His consistency maybe?After a couple of seasons with Moyes we were stable and consistently one of the top teams in the league just like SAF kept United firmly in the top 4.
His transfer dealings? Both able to find those hidden gems for snippets and didn't overly spend much themselves compared to their rivals.
I don't get it at all, their nationality seems to be where their similarities end.
Moyes looks nervous and lost for words most the time in interviews, Sir Alex says what he wants (a bit like Mourinho like you pointed out).
Sir Alex kept United firmly in the top TWO, Moyes are taking us to where Everton usually finishes each season.
I agree but difference is last season we had RVP fully fit which meant that the poor form of the wingers (which I think was worse last season) could be gotten past and also meant that teams were a bit more fearful of us. We might have been similarly open but we carried a much bigger threat in him which either got us in front in games which could be tricky or bailed us out. Moyes hasn't had the luxury but has not allowed for this enough. He's tried to play the same way without our best player of last season either injured or below par before then) and so we've been open and not had that same threat up top. We saw how Fergie changed it at times even with RVP doing ok ie the diamond, it might have been short lived but did the job and made us hard to beat at the very least.
Against Spurs we really committed players forward and the danger signs were there early that we were open to the counter but he didn't seem to take steps to compensate. As such for me whilst I agree he's been unlucky with injuries and without them being so bad we would likely be doing ok, but they haven't been fit/playing well and I don't think Moyes has done enough in the actually competitive games to compensate.
I don't get it at all, their nationality seems to be where their similarities end.
Moyes looks nervous and lost for words most the time in interviews, Sir Alex says what he wants (a bit like Mourinho like you pointed out).
SAF named the similarities he saw in Moyes. Work ethic etc.
As for the press conferences, you know the SAF of late, was he as confident and measured in his early years at OT? I don't really think Moyes is nervous at all in interviews, he's just learning that everything you say is overanalysed by people with nothing more interesting to do in their lives, so has had to be far less candid.
He knew that a draw was really no good for us if we still had any real title aspirations so we went all out for the win.
Given one of the most common criticisms is that he's too conservative, I thought that should be a positive?
Sir Alex kept United firmly in the top TWO, Moyes are taking us to where Everton usually finishes each season.
So, then Everton usually finished 13th? Because that's where they often were at this point in the season.
Sir Alex kept United firmly in the top TWO, Moyes are taking us to where Everton usually finishes each season.
I thought you had finished 3rd in a season when we were always top half/top 8 but it was in 03/04 and 04/05 which you were. After that it was always top 2.
Moyes can't win! He'd then be accused of being defensive. I repeat the team is missing or has missed the services of RvP, Rafael, Jones and Carrick for large chunks of the season - our best players last season.
I'm talking about the start of the match though, not the end, that was fair enough, though I did think we lost structure towards the end with too many changes. But more so I meant very early on where although we started brightly and I'm sure everyone was thinking this was looking good, there was I think a clear indication that we were having to over committ players forward and that we were leaving too much space for the counter. I thought there was no reason we couldn't have reigned it in a bit, had clev properly sit next to Carrick and make sure we were solid whilst still trying to win.
It's been so long since we've been out of the top 2 that CL qualification as the goal of the season really isn't what we want/expect/are happy with.
Remember we had to play a Champions League qualifier? Think it was in Romania? Good times, we even went a goal down if memory serves me right... What I'd do for that chance next season...
I'm sure he'd get some stick but end of the day this wasn't a game where we had to win, I'd say it was a game where we shouldn't be loosing and letting another team leapfrog us. I get where you're coming from but I think he could easily have had the team looking for a win whilst not being as open as we were from the start of the game, definitely some middle ground there imo.
Remember we had to play a Champions League qualifier? Think it was in Romania? Good times, we even went a goal down if memory serves me right... What I'd do for that chance next season...
A CL qualifier shouldn't be a problem at all for us, with our coefficient we should get some minnow from some random country.
I still think the squad should make 4th without too much issue, I just hope the manager doesn't prove to be too big a hindrance.
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