Moyes' smirking and joking does actually annoy me a little. 11 points off the top for defending champions isn't good enough, he should say as much instead of acting like things are a big joke and theres no pressure.
Moyes So Far!
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I want Moyes to succeed. Feel sorry for him atm he's taking a bit of a battering but I reckon he'll come through it. Big summer for him my concerns are if money will be made available, and if he will go for Fellanis. As a squad they have overperformed so these comparisons with last season need discarded...give him time, stop being spoilt wankers and accept that we have no divine right to be even challenging for the title every season.
I would assume most want Moyes to succeed as him being a success would more than likely mean United is winning.
The thing that I must criticize Moyes for is that he has made us very easy to beat.
His Everton teams were always lauded for being difficult to break down and tough to play at home but its completely the opposite with us. We've been dreadful at home. I can understand that we aren't great going forward due to a lack of quality wingers and midfielders for which he needed investment over the summer but we've been defensively a shambles. Making a team defend well and making them hard to beat was something he was suppose to be good at. He's made us softer. The goals we conceded today were atrocious.
His Everton teams were always lauded for being difficult to break down and tough to play at home but its completely the opposite with us. We've been dreadful at home. I can understand that we aren't great going forward due to a lack of quality wingers and midfielders for which he needed investment over the summer but we've been defensively a shambles. Making a team defend well and making them hard to beat was something he was suppose to be good at. He's made us softer. The goals we conceded today were atrocious.
This is well said
I hate how he's brought us down so much that actually finishing 4th seems like a good season, it's pathetic. I expected a transition but the minimal expectation is to be challenging at the very least, we have been floating between 5-8th all season long it's not acceptable.
Well, Ferdinand turned to shit over night and Vidic is still coming back. We've looked good over the past three games at the back. I don't blame Moyes for Valencia just shutting off today.
We wouldn't have been challenging under any manager? So if Sir Alex had stayed, or we'd got Mourinho we'd still be 11 points off the top? Thats nonsense.
Those calling for Moyes to be sacked- first of all when? Now? This club just isn't used to mid-season changes. And secondly- who? Who's available right now to come in and take over? And don't say Ferguson, he's not coming back.
What? Your telling me there's not a manager out there who could challenge for the league title with a group of players that just pissed it by 11 points? Bizarre, absolutely fecking bizarre comment that.
Well, if SAF stayed we would. But the psychological changes that come when the greatest manager leaves are immense. No, we were never going to challenge for the title under any manager. The squad has problems. We are not a title contending team. And we certainly aren't with the injuries we've had.
No, Jose would not have us contending for the title.
I think we played well today but he takes responsibility for overall performance this year. So for me it's a case of 'unlucky but must improve'
We've been very unlucky at times this season. We seemed to get a lot of luck under SAF however. Can it all be genuinely bad luck? That's an honest question.
Do you really think we played well? We could have easily gone down very early from Lennon if it wasnt for De Gea and all we did was pass the ball to Valencia and cross, whats playing well about that?
Moyes about our team performance
"Very good, we've done really well"
What is this guy smoking?
"Very good, we've done really well"
What is this guy smoking?
Just because he beat Hull and Norwich doesn't mean Moyes should be devoid of criticism.
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In Moyes I trust. We need to get behind him. Stop being spoilt brats.
Played well? What exactly did Lloris have to do? We were about as threatening as a sloth in the final third - our passing is so ponderous that defences have time to reorganise and we must have had about a 10% success rate with crosses and corners - we are easy to defend agfainst , defend poorly and we need to make some drastic changes
Everything came down the right but Valencia is the most predictable player in the look league
We have played this game before.
Bielsa and Hiddink are available now. Simeone, Prandelli and a few others will be available on the summer. All are better than Moyes.
Agree about the timing though. Don't think that a new manager will improve us that much now. On the summer though (if we don't get that fourth place which in itself is a massive disappointment) I hope we cut the loses.
That's one of the most ridiculous posts I've read - utterly bizarre opinion,
Of course there was going to be an impact with SAF leaving but anyone that doesn't think Moyes is under achieving right now is fooling themselves.
The squad is more than capable of challenging - even with the black hole in midfield
Fellaini and Moyes are the chosen ones
I don't think he really believes this. He's putting a brave face on things. A very Fegie-esque thing to do if you ask me. He's hardly likely to come out and say "Aye, we were shite. Antonio's on 120k, can yee believe thaaa?"
Bielsa
No. Stop. Back Moyes, back Moyes...
He wasn't my first choice by the way, but I do think kicking him out is the wrong thing to do.
He is underachieving. We were also never going to challenge for the title this season. Those aren't the same thing.
This squad is not. The others have improved, and in case you haven't noticed, the guy who won game after game after game last season, masking our horrid midfield situation, has been injured.
Teams have gone on much worse runs - that doesn't mean we should jump on Moyes and plead for him to be sacked. It's embarassing. This is when Moyes/& the team needs the support the most.
Although Moyes has been rubbish, we can say he's been excellent at one thing - lowering expectations of United supporters. He's quite obviously not good enough.
One thing I don't get with Moyes is his complete reluctance to try certain players, Zaha and Fabio had good pre-season tours and have hardly had a look in. He's not even given Zaha a chance vs. Stoke and he bought him on far too late vs. Villa.
I don't think we were "Very good" either, but if he came out and criticised his own players people would be up in arms. Rumours of rifts would spread like wildfire. But maybe something like 'We weren't at our best' may be more appropriate. At the end of the day it's just an interview.
Pretty sure we would have challenged for the title with SAF. Very likely we would have been doing it with Mourinho and Pep too. Almost surely we would have been on top 4 with a lot of other managers.
We aren't great but we are underachieving.
Bielsa
No. Stop. Back Moyes, back Moyes...
He wasn't my first choice by the way, but I do think kicking him out is the wrong thing to do.
He wasn't in my first five choices (or fifty) and Bielsa is much better but yeah, it won't happen and I don't think that things will improve even if we sack Moyes now. In summer we should analize things and possibly act though.
I just don't buy that any manager wouldn't have challenged - mourinho wouldn't be this far behind.
I think Moyes and not woody needs to take the flak for the summer transfer window.....I think Moyes had 3 targets that were never coming here with no plan B.....Never in a million years was Fabregas coming to Utd last summer and Moyes was the only one that didn't know that...Ronaldo was never coming either...And Bale often spoke of dreaming of playing for Madrid before the summer started so Moyes really went for players that we all knew he had no hope of getting and it was just painful to watch him continue to pursue these players that clearly were never coming without going for anyone else.....That can hardly be woodys fault............There was some outstanding plan B players out there last summer like Matic, Gaitan, Joao Moutinho, James McCarthy, Kondogbia and Rakitic etc and Moyes didn't seem to have a clue about any of these guys and instead went for a 30 million panic buy in the flop with the mop......thats the same amount we got rooney for and 10 million more than RVP cost!!!
Just goes to show what a shambles the transition was. Whether it was born out of complacency, incompetence or penny pinching, I don't know.
Between the end of last season(mid May) and the 1 July, there appeared to be a managerial vacuum at the club. Chelsea, City had new managers at the helm who had around at least a month to identify targets. Think this was a big reason for the summer transfer disaster.
Really? Which Mourinho team can you point to that had a horrendous midfield to come to that conclusion?
And again - being "this far behind" and being legitimate title contenders are not the same thing
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