We'd have a team of fecking giraffe's and shit. Moyes got shafted in the Summer and panicked and got Fellaini.
Moyes So Far!
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We'd have a team of fecking giraffe's and shit. Moyes got shafted in the Summer and panicked and got Fellaini.
Moyes has a good record in that area. I'm hoping he can pull out some gems from somewhere
Getting a world class CM is not gonna fix this either, the problem is much deeper. I just hate the tempo with which we play and have done for quite a while. The tempo with which we finished the game should be how we start games.
We've lost 6 games....We still have to go the Bridge, The Emirates, Goodison, St.James Park while, City and Pool come here....
A very real prospect that we could lose 12 games this season........Do you think if this happens, he'll be given more time?
5 points from 24 against the other sides in the top 7. Think about that a moment.
That's one area Moyes is decent at. Mirallas, Arteta, Coleman etc... didn't cost much and were obscure signings.
Signing the players is not an issue. Getting them to play cohesively and with a quick tempo seems to be our issue
Yeah but I'm sick of that. We should be playing with that kind of attacking intent from the get-go.
Exactly. The squad is already a champion team after all, unlike what Rogers had. Instead he's done a miles worse job. I just don't see the signs right now in where were going under Moyes. What are his ideas? To basically try and do whatever fergie did last ?
Given the desperate position we find ourselves in this season, would it be worth a quick change of managers now just to experience the quick boost in results that often follows?
How did he get shafted exactly? This is the go to excuse for Dave but Woodward failing to sign targets like Fabregas and Bale doesn't make him incompetent, it just means he isn't Superman.
Probably, but Fergie might have to argue his case to the owners. The Glazers aren't shy about sacking people. Didn't the Tampa Bay coach just get fired?
Difference between the greatest manager of all time, and an 11 year mid table team managing veteran. Really scary.
SAF always said he liked buying big after winning the league because you have to strengthen when at the top. It's only natural the teams below you are going to respond to disappointments by splashing the cash. Chelsea and City spent around double what we did. They also got an upgrade in the manager department.
There's no question we should have spent more money in the last transfer window and I'm sure Moyes and Woody felt so as well. We were just too incompetent to get it done and we're paying the price for it now.
If we don't make the CL, I'm sure some questions will be asked at the end of the season.
I'd say it's pretty incompetent to persist with Fabregas for so long and buy Fellaini for 4 million more than we should have at the last minute.
It's difficult for me to blame Moyes, the fact of the matter is the squad he has inherited has stagnated for over 2 years. I would point the lion share of the blame in Fergie's/Glazers direction.
Grim.
We surely have to give him some sort of targets. The idea of just aimlessly giving him whatever time he needs without considering the actual progress the team is making is weird IMO. Continuity is good but it has to be within some reasonable limits. We can't play shit football, finish 6th and still keep Moyes. That seems rather self defeating.
I can only assume he slaughtered the players in private and then put up a united front for the cameras.
you know that won't happen. A-grade idiot just won't complete a trasfer.
Really? You keep on thinking that.
Many top players have turned us down, without Champions League football then the task of getting the best players will be twice as hard, if not more.
Further to this we may even struggle to keep our best players, we wont have enough games to keep all the fringe players happy, it will be a disaster if we dont qualify, its not just about the money the club will lose.
You are one of the worst reactionary posters in here. 'Desperate position'??!! Get away.
He did indeed.
Moyes will be gone come end of the season if were outside top 4. He hasn't done anything to change the style of our play. Hes missed an opportunity to revamp us - people would have had patience if they could see a positive change. Hes continuing with the same average wing play - only a damn sight worse.
Problem is the side is not as bad as the table suggests. There is clearly a problem from Moyes. The squad isn't a midtable one
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I think when that manager has only been in the role for under 12 months, has only had one transfer window and has inherited quite a few squad problems you can possibly understand why some absolve him of complete blame.
For me his biggest mistake has not been how he has setup or sent out the team to play, it goes back to his first transfer window where both he and the club were evidently trying to make a statement by bringing in better quality but failed miserably.
He needs to act fast and no more of this "value" or "no value in January" bullshit. If we need to pay above the odds to fix our CM and LB problems then that's what we do, and that fix needs to happen ASAP, believe it or not we are not currently out of the title race; we deserve to be but we aren't. However the title is not a priority for me, the priority is to get this team playing and looking like a cohesive unit, for that we need better quality players than we currently have.
We wouldn't be in this position had Sir Alex stayed on another year and kept the exact same squad. Or if we'd gotten Mourinho in. Moyes has to take some of the blame.
I'm not sure I'm reactionary. I've been pretty consistently doubtful of Moyes' ability.
Those now saying that we should stick with Moyes even if we don't make the top 4 are the same ones that found it laughable that we might not make the top 4. SAF was well past his best, when he told us to stick by his fellow Scotsman and all of us know that some of his decisions in more recent seasons have been questionable at best.
Give Moyes to the end of the season (no money in Jan) and if we finish top 4 back him financially
in the summer. Outside the top 4 it has to be P45 and get a manager in with a winning track record.
Give Moyes to the end of the season (no money in Jan) and if we finish top 4 back him financially
in the summer. Outside the top 4 it has to be P45 and get a manager in with a winning track record.
I think that's what people are alluding to. A 20 minute spell at home for the current champions is not what I would consider playing well. We were abysmal for 50-60 minutes of that game, and more than that in most games this season. Crap.
I'd even say it's pointless to keep passing it around and to have nothing to show for it.
I've not said it was..We definitely need some drive from central midfield, Jones may have made a difference but ultimately it's a short term measure and would much prefer to see him at CB.
We created very very little until the last 15. It's nothing new.
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