Moyes So Far!
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Very generously subjective view of "control" for me...We had some decent possesson and didn't do much with it. Do you really think Moyes tenure so far can be summed up by "played well"?
The fans have been great, and the atmospheres seem to have improved, but the actual football has been complete dogshit for the most part. We seem to be one of the only top teams in Europe who insist on remaining in the 90s tactically.
I'm clutching at straws here but I think tactics are a problem. Moyes just isn't used to teams coming and raising their performances against him and hasn't found a way to counter it. He's relying on individual brilliance namely Rooney to bail him out than anything from his own input.
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That is never going to happen. SAF has a lot riding on this because at the end of the day people are questioning his judgement, as much as I love the guy he would not want to be left with egg on his face and will be stubborn until the end to ensure Moyes gets a fair crack at it even if that means missing out on the top 4.
Games are 90 minutes, not 20 so playing well for only 20 doesn't get us anywhere. Lacking a creative edge is quite a problem.
The Fellaini thing makes sense, they were trying to combine the deal with Baines thinking Everton needed money, if they had just bought Fellaini for £23.5m then Everton wouldn't have needed to sell to buy meaning we couldn't get Baines. Unfortunately Everton called our bluff and knew we were always going to sign Fellaini eventually. Fabregas we were played, Ronaldo we were played, Bale didn't want to come, but they were always highly unlikely, why didn't we have other targets? We had £100m in the bank to add to a side which won the title by 11 points, £40m of which Moyes wanted to splash on Baines and Fellaini, which is slightly worrying in my opinion, I don't think our summer failings vindicate David Moyes at all, he sets the targets.
I think it's a bit of both: Moyes is culpable for our at times baffling tactics and substitutions, and partially for our transfer fiasco; however, I also feel there are many players who are just not good enough, either because they are past it (Giggs, Vidic, Rio, Evra, Fletcher) or never were at the right level (Young, Valencia, Anderson, Buttner, possibly Cleverley.) That's 8-9 members of the squad who simply shouldn't be there. And then of course there are the likes of Kagawa, Nani, Zaha, and Fabio, who have huge question marks attached to them.
There's not much left over after that; minus the influence that SAF brought to the table, there is certainly not enough quality to compete with the likes of City, or Chelsea, let alone Bayern Munich, Real Madrid or Barcelona.
Vidic is not good enough? The top 4 would gladly take him.
Give him a watch as a leaving gift.
I was watching the City game earlier and they actually played a similar formation to us, the difference been that they players are generally better, particularly the midfield.
I think he's trying to us play at a high tempo, high pressing but a lot relies on the full backs in the modern game and without Rafael we really struggle and Evra looks shot.
Its been like that for a while which makes me think we need to give him time to try and get the players in who will change the way we play. We had SAF getting the best out of a team he had built over the course of 5-6 seasons and now we're complaining about why Moyes cant do that same?
I think under Moyes the football and style leaves a lot to be desired but in recent games I personally believe there is enough to say he is starting to get to grips with the role but again its going to take time. We are starting to play at a higher tempo and are pressing teams better, with the correct personal whos to say it wont take off.
Lets also see how other teams would do with our leading goal scorer out, a unsettled back four and a non-existent midfield (oh and lets see how they would also do when the only CMF in that non-existent midfield gets injured)
Yeah Fellaini/Baines are worrying targets, Moyes wanted 2 midfielders and a left-back and clearly there was no backup plans in place.
Just back and watching Moyes post match online! He seems very emotional and much diiferent the the Moyes post previous losses.Can someone tell me, from the telly and replays was the Young a defo pen? Adnans dive>>? It never looked like one from my view and the Danny pen claim seemed a stonewaller! Difficult when you have only the one viewing!
How is Baines a worrying target? I think most will agree hes one of, if not THE, best left backs in the league. Just because he plays for Everton doesn't mean hes not good enough to step up. Fellini for me was always the puzzling one because everyone kept telling me he was a DMF but I had never seen him play there, and knew it would be a "project" Moyes would have to undertake.
Still I think our backup plans were scampered by having a fairly incompetent CEO
So, all those wins in a row never happened then? Righto.
Young's was a stonewall penalty. Adnan's wasn't a dive. Welbeck's wasn't a penalty to me, was minimal contact but looked a dive; arguable.
Sorry if it's already been posted. Moyes' post match comments. I don't think we played "very well", however I can see his point with regards to the goals conceded.
There was contact with Welbeck but he also dove. Could have stayed on his feet.
Andans was not a dive.
Young could have been called but in England that often isn't.
Are you telling me we don't have good enough players to play good football? Or more than one style of football? Are you telling me teams like Swansea, or Liverpool for that matter, have better players than us? Not to mention that surely if a style isn't working out for us because we lack the players, then you find a style that will work for our players. Or at least a plan B, because at the moment we don't have a plan B, merely plan A but quicker.
If he would improve the squad and give backup in a area we all feel we are lacking is it that much of a problem? His crossing and freekicks are reason enough alone to keep Evra out of the side.
Its the exact same thing with RvP. If they will improve the squad should age matter?
Today could have gone very differently.
The two goals were ridiculous give-aways, but we're getting nailed at the back constantly playing the FBs so far up the field.
Tony needs a slap for the second. Simple.
It's not all doom and gloom, but we should have had this in the bag from the outset. We didn't take the chances early and we were punished.
Better call Saul.
The two goals were ridiculous give-aways, but we're getting nailed at the back constantly playing the FBs so far up the field.
Tony needs a slap for the second. Simple.
It's not all doom and gloom, but we should have had this in the bag from the outset. We didn't take the chances early and we were punished.
Better call Saul.
Have you had a look at the table?
The sad true is, it's probably both Mockney. SAF got the very very best ouf those bunch. Moyes seemingly can't. He has probably not done the best job but I also agree that we lack some serious class. And as you mention Liverpool. Well they currently have the best striker in the world, Coutinho is better than all our wingers, as is Sterling. Very young and creative players. We need serious investment. If Moyes still isnt able to achieve anything he will be gone anyway
Not sure we would've made three CL finals on the back of 90s' tactics. Or do you mean currently under Moyes?
No, that's not really what I said. If he's looking long term, which I assume he is, then he's got an idea of how he wants his team to set up and play. At the moment I don't think he has the players he'd like to do that, so do you persevere and take the bad results as they occur, whilst knowing that players such as Januzaj, Welbeck etc who will be the future for us are getting embedded in that style and use the transfer windows to try and bring in players who can play the style you want to install. Or do you just panic and change?
We don't only need to go for world class players all the time. We need a LB and hes not exactly a bad candidate
Why do you get so angry if Moyes smirks, grins or smiles or whatever? It's weird.
Our home form seems ropey which may suggest that he's simply not adventurous enough.
He's trying to appear as cool as a cucumber I fear. He must be feeling the pressure now, not necessarily from the club but from the media and fan's general expectations. He will know as well as anyone this isn't good enough, i'm sure he isn't smiling on the inside.
In fairness, we are only five points off 4, which has to be the target in the circumstances.
If we were 11 off 4th, then yeah, all doom and gloom.
Don't get me wrong, losing another home game to Spurs is a serious blow but the season is not over.
The start we have had to the season does not give us much room for error and if we don't make the top 4 I think Moyes has to go.
But we were only going to pay £12m and because they wouldn't accept it we didn't get him. My point is people are looking at the Baines potential signing as proof that Moyes isn't looking at top players well we did bid for Fabregas and Tiago.
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