Look at Liverpool who keep spending despite not even having CL money. Our owners are pathetic.
Moyes So Far!
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Your opinion of the modern day football player is significantly inflated. Players from the British isles are likely to still want Utd. From abroad, we just wont get them.
Mate, id love it to be the lure of united but its money, cl football, then club - in that order
The same as all the other bad results, we take it on the chin and go to the next game
Who said that? We are a huge club, a club that can pay big money if necessary. We are still a huge pull for player. No one's going to queue up outside Goodison park even if they qualify for the CL.
I don't understand how the manager isn't supposed to be held responsible. Only in relation to united I hear this.
They're not going to qualify thought. Liverpool most probably are. And they too are a huge club. And are playing football a lot of footballers will want to be a part of. Of course we can sign quality players in the summer, I'm not saying we can't. But yes, Manchester United, Europa league qualifiers, isn't quite as appealing.
We need to be smart transfer wise, look at City arguably two of their best signings came before they were in the top 4 (Kompany, Zabaleta), it's more important we have a clear strategy of what we want to do. We have a large contingent of talented young players in Januzaj, Welbeck, Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Evans and De Gea which the team should be built around. Rooney, RVP, Vidic and Carrick will all have key roles to varying levels too. We must buy a left-back and centre-midfielder this January.
And the fact we haven't changed our football isn't something to excuse Moyes either. That's a bad thing. A good manager has a noticeable impact. Even Rodgers at Liverpool made a noticeable impact on their play, which is now paying off. We've just kept the same incredibly antiquated approach and obsession with wing play, only have gotten slightly worse at it!
Yes, you are right, but to get them here we will need to compensate them with massive wages for the lack of CL football, which could cause it's own problems.
Then give Anderson a go, he's played Clev constantly throughout this Christmas period, he looked knackered last game and same this one. It's easy to say we don't have midfielders, but we do Irwin, he's just not utilising them correctly and not shuffling the pack. Fletcher, Giggs, Anderson have barely been used. This is a fault of his own creation. It's the same scenario with Evra, he looks knackered and has done for the past few games.
It's a squad game and we aren't using it right. This is the same midfield (with the addition of the injured/useless Fellaini) that walked the league last season. I'm getting fecked off with the constant "no midfield" excuses. It's our main weakness granted, but they're still competent enough to best the majority of teams in the league and when we do face a better team, you pack the midfield with an extra body. Anyway i'll be fecked if i'm getting into this, fecking Dave, i'm going to sulk and watch some Sherlock instead (airs at 9pm for anyone interested, BBC1).
The mentality is just wrong. As Everton boss he said his objective coming to Old Trafford was just to "get out alive." It seems he still has that mentality as United boss. Not good enough, and not what is needed at a club of this stature.
Yeah, let's spend 35 million on Andy Carrol. Liverpool's squad is thin as feck, ours is well stocked up in every position. Whenever Fergie has asked for money, he's been given it. Moyes decided to spend 27 million Fellaini. If 27 million is little spending, then there's something wrong.
I really don't think that would have helped the cause given his last few games for us
Would love to watch a few sessions at Carrington. Seriously, what on earth are we practising in training?
He's got the small club manager tag written all over him.
I hope Moyes has realised it's a world cup year as well, so we will either get duped by a good performance there or vastly overpay for who we want. I cannot understand why they want to wait until the summer this year also we aren't usually in this situation.
These are the lows people talk about when it comes to supporting your club through highs and lows. It's the first real lows many if us have experienced and will only be a real low if we fail to make the top 4
I'm enjoying it. It's like supporting a real football club at last that isnt guaranteed success.
I'm enjoying it. It's like supporting a real football club at last that isnt guaranteed success.
He's used to playing the same 11 at Everton for such a long time 9due to the budget). He isn't the best at rotating unfortunately.
Not a lot of thing to enjoy at the moment for me but then again I can't stop to watch.
Januzaj gives us hope though, terrific pass for the goal, thing is Adnan's pretty much what Giggs has done the last few years but with legs, he tries an awful lot and not much comes off but it's a damn sight better than watching Valencia try to cross. I don't understand how we can have all the talented players in central attacking areas and still be obsessed with getting the ball out wide.
Anyone that tells me to just shut up nonchalantly and 'have faith' and just 'stay optimistic' might actually get punched in the face...
Just throwing it out there...what a joke!
The least I expect is a slightly embarrassed but confident manager saying 'we're not getting the results, we are playing ok in patches, but we are working on overdrive behind the scenes to identify our problems and where we find the issues we will fix them, I guarantee that...'
Not a goofy smiling 'we're playing well...' and cocky remarks...jesus!
Just throwing it out there...what a joke!
The least I expect is a slightly embarrassed but confident manager saying 'we're not getting the results, we are playing ok in patches, but we are working on overdrive behind the scenes to identify our problems and where we find the issues we will fix them, I guarantee that...'
Not a goofy smiling 'we're playing well...' and cocky remarks...jesus!
We don't even need to go for the very top players to get back on track. Look at Liverpool for example. Countinho and Sturridge signed relatively cheaply but have altered their fortunes. The players are there, question is can we find them?
I dunno thought it was pretty telling we finished with no midfielders on the pitch, I think Moyes knows.
Exactly and if / when it comes good again it will be super
Let's snatch Ole away from Cardiff before he signs.
That's what I keep saying.
I said at the start of the season that we should give Moyes time if he doesn't get the right results, as long as we see the right philosophy and ideas. But we're seeing nothing. Absolutely nothing. He's basically kept the same stale style we had earlier and made it less effective and also sucked the belief out of the squad.
The way I see it, Moyes had an opportunity rather than a hindrance with respect to our existing style. Everyone wanted a change and he has the opportunity to dismantle it and restart the way Rodgers did. Sadly, I'm afraid Moyes doesn't seem to actually be the kind of manager that believes in the progressive ideas that are being implemented in football these days. Although i do hope that is proven not to be the case in time
I think the money for this season is gone with Fellaini. We tried to get the most out of it with trying to sign Fab for 26m as we probably had no more than 35m to spend and were hoping Barca would meet us half way making it 35m for Fab. The next signing won't cost more than 10m - mark my words. What is Sneijder worth these days??
With the exception of Everton, all the teams currently above us in the table spent more than 27m in the last transfer window.
Just read that Utd have now dropped more points this season then they did in the whole of last season. That's a staggering stat.
At least mention the ref, divert attention, take the pressure off the players. feck, we really were blessed with Ferguson.
The game kind of summed up his tenure so far, played well without creating too much, concede an awful goal and struggle to regain control. I loved the last 20 mins or so though, great atmosphere at OT and my voice is fecked. We created enough to at least get the draw and all the changes were attacking.
I agree. Quality footballers are always out there. I just hope we don't end up going for players of fellainis standard.
OK Everyone - c'mon feel the moyes...
Let me hear you?
Let me hear you?
Breakin records
The worse thing for me is that in his first season a complement dismantling of the team would not have been needed. Just some improvement in terms of off the ball movement, pressure when off the ball. These would have been some small adjustments to make before gearing up for a more drastic style change.
I'm starting to think Rene would've been a better choice.
There will be gems out there, but are we looking properly for them or setting our sights too high and going for players we haven't got a cat in hells chance of getting and our league position is now making it worse.
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