Moyes So Far!
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I'd agree with some of that, but my point is, instead of playing Cleverly, who would you have played? Instead of taking off Carrick (recently back from injury may have been tired), who would you have taken off? He threw Hernandez on because despite the fact he's out of form, that's what Hernandez does best, come on late and score, and the only way he'll get form is by being played, unfortunately it didn't come off.
For me, as I think it is with you, the issue is a deeper lying more important thing behind the scenes, whether its his mentality or lack of (ego) man management, something isn't working beacuse the players aren't confident on the pitch, but we can't see behind the scenes, all we see is press interaction, starting line ups, substitutions etc, which for me are improving.
He's a lucky man though. Any other top club in Europe and he would have been a goner.
We were ordinary in those games too and a bit lucky really. They weren't exactly convincing and good performance.
People say he needs time and you would have to agree tbf. But I can't help keep asking a question to myself that is bugging me like a bitch! How can a manager come to a team of Champions and make them worse than the last team he managed?
I definitely agree with that. The RVP injury has been a disaster for us. Because we don't have the goal threat, teams are attacking and if we go behind we are in trouble.
What is he actually doing on the training pitch? Just getting the players to practice passing it out to Valencia on the right wing over and over again?
Does he actually have a plan?
Does he actually have a plan?
I wonder how many from Rawk and other rival club forums are visiting this forum right now 
The football we're playing is mid-table stuff. We deserve to be where we are because of how we go about our games. Rarely keeping the ball away from the opposition in dangerous areas. There's rarely any sustained pressure because we just toss it into the middle. It's fecking pathetic.
I don't think there are many teams with better second choice right backs than Smalling/Valencia. A major problem is that we have a brilliant first choice right back who can't play three games in a row.
If he doesn't make top 4 he should resign out if principle. I didn't want him to begin with but I was willing to give him time, he's just not the man for the job.
Loosing to Everton, Newcastle and Spurs is actually worse than loosing to City and Chelsea as the former are now the teams we are competing against.
This is where we are now.
This is where we are now.
You're usually quite sensible, so I'll assume you're being tongue in cheek, but if you genuinely think taking off a young CB being played at RB as he cost us a goal is in anyway similar to Valencia (A winger) costing us a goal in another game and getting to play in the next game? Smalling may well play in the next game, but he was having a negative impact on that game, his confidence was shot and wasn't playing well, perhaps Moyes felt Valencia couldn't do worse, remembering that neither are natural right backs, unfortunately it didn't work out, on another occassion it may have.
The real question for me is what the feck is happening to Fabio?
He's officially made us into a mid table side. You would have to be blind to think it's all going to be ok
I wonder how many from Rawk and other rival club forums are visiting this forum right now
They deserve to enjoy what we've been rnjoying for so many years.
That's the point. I'm not seeing what ideas he's bringing to this team apart from draining their confidence, it seems, and turning our football into something even shittier. I hope he does some great work in the transfer market and gets this team to play better, but so far Moyes has been hugely important.
I'm still not convinced he's good enough for united.
This is true, he would have been gone following the 2 consecutive home defeats.
It's most likely the Fergie factor that has him still in the job.
But I have spent the last many years slagging of clubs for lacking patience or being too ruthless, so in many ways I am delighted Utd has not joined them ....yet
To be honest, I don't think he'd have been hired at a top European club.
He'd have been sacked after the two home defeats in a row at almost every other club. There is something to be said for giving him time, but there also needs to be clear and defined objectives, which if he fails to meet, then we move on.
What an awful reporter that, no respect to Moyes whatsoever.
He's going nowhere whether we finish 3rd or 7th. No chance he's resigning and he certainly isn't getting sacked.
Just about beating the dross and bending over for anyone in the top half.
That's the reality isn't it? in fact I'd say he'd have been gone a while back.
I think that he'll get another season even if we do finish outside the top four, which I'd have no problem with if we were showing signs of moving in the right direction in regards to playing style. Unfortunately we're not.
Yeah totally. There have been games we've dropped points where I cannot point to an obvious mistake. As you say, there's a deeper issue. Of course we do not know what goes on at that level, but it seems to me to indicate quite heavily that he's not the man for the job. I try to muster up some faith in him now and then, but it just doesn't hold. There's nothing about him that signifies to me any authority. I just don't think he'll manage to properly turn it around. Hope he can, but don't think so
Agree.
Also, he thinks we played really well. I though we were poor until the end where they sat back and we threw the kitchen sink at them.
God knows where he starts in this transfer window there;s so many positions need strengthening its untrue.We need to play with more variety down the left and the middle as well as through Adnan.Even our set pieces are so predictable, lumping everything high into the box, I'm hitting the Bells early tonight feck it.
Thing is Summit, you can give a manager time if you see progress. There's been no progress, we're just as bad as we were at the start of the season. So how much time do we give a man when we see nothing positive? It's not even like we're playing good football, its terrible on the whole. Someone above mentioned how lucky Dave is and I agree. If this was City or Chelsea, Dave would be out.
"Played really well", and there was "nothing in today's performance" that made him see a need to buy players. I can take the transitional period but he's not being straight with us and it's peeing me off as much as the results at this point.
Play the youths, that's how the likes of Danny Simpson and Jonathan Spector even had games with us in the first place. And I can't comprehend the belief that Fabio who has spent the entire season out on loan last year getting playing time at RB would be a worse option than playing Smalling/Valencia out of position.
Young on the left with Adnan on the right, like how we ended the game. And as bad as Young has been this season, Valencia has been far worse, as much as I'll hate to admit it.
Any other top club wouldn't have even hired him.
I know. Also, on the flip-side you have the Everton manager that hasn't needed anytime whatsoever to get them playing.
Ah, just a bit of bad luck today according to Moyes. We were great. Shit happens. All is well.
For anyone who somehow didn't understand or realize just how great of a manager Alex Ferguson was...
David Moyes is a really good manager, but given the same club, essentially the same players, he's producing feck all.
David Moyes is a really good manager, but given the same club, essentially the same players, he's producing feck all.
I don't really understand? You seem to be coming at management from the point of view it's just pressing some buttons, picking a good team and then watching a simulation. Playing bad football is entirely the managers fault. Whether it's a failure to implement a more creative style, or shake the team out of their comfort zone (i.e. the way we played last season), that's what managers do. He's the manager. He dictates how we play and has to manage the players to ensure they're playing well. If none of that's happening, then that's because the manager is failing. Picking a good team and making decent subs is only a tiny part of it. Otherwise he wouldn't have to do anything for 6 days of the week.
I understand that Fergie often played this kind of shit on a stick football towards the end too, but he succeeded at other parts of management (i.e. getting the best out of players) that it compensated. Moyes is currently failing at both of these things.
That's just it for me. Top clubs need proven managers, can't afford to have a season or two learning the job
Thing with Liverpool is that their attackers are all in a sort of purple patch of form right now, suarez is in the form of his life right now, coutinho has always been good, sturridge and sterling complement the other two brilliantly, and rodger's has them all clicking in perfect sync.
our team looks disjointed as feck, I understand there is more to management than picking a bunch of players names in a semi valid formation and hoping it all goes well, but there is something fundamentally wrong in our set up if we keep getting caught out time and time again.
our team looks disjointed as feck, I understand there is more to management than picking a bunch of players names in a semi valid formation and hoping it all goes well, but there is something fundamentally wrong in our set up if we keep getting caught out time and time again.
What will happen if we draw or lose our next home game to Swansea?
Unfortunately, I feel the same, someone in another thread said "Moyes took over the Champions and made them worse than the team he used to manage", I usually berate people for them snidey comments, but to be fair I'm finding it very hard to argue against the "small club" mentality, a manager who can take a smaller club and bring them to a good level, not the manager who can keep Champions as Champions...
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