Fabio? Kept Smalling? He didn't learn from the Everton game that Valencia isn't a right back?
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Fabio? Kept Smalling? He didn't learn from the Everton game that Valencia isn't a right back?
We started well, Spurs were very lucky, Howard Webb had an awful game. That said at 0-1 down we looked lost.
It's time to start really looking if top 4 looks likes likely......
It's time to start really looking if top 4 looks likes likely......
I think a lot of you wouldn't be seeing this if we had nicked two goals at the end..
Good enough to beat (most of) the small teams, shits the bed against the big ones. Just like at Everton.
What's that song - Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat?
Pass out right, lose ball, repeat.
Moyes changes were positive but dear god, letting that continue was worrying.
Im afraid he needs to buy this month - and big. I cannot see us getting top 4 and then we are in a world of trouble - we will never attract the top midfielders we need then without CL football.
He has to buy now. Its that simple.
Pass out right, lose ball, repeat.
Moyes changes were positive but dear god, letting that continue was worrying.
Im afraid he needs to buy this month - and big. I cannot see us getting top 4 and then we are in a world of trouble - we will never attract the top midfielders we need then without CL football.
He has to buy now. Its that simple.
Exactly. It's sad to see Rodgers doing such a great job at Liverpool improving them technically whereas we get poorer and poorer.
No point mentioning Fabio, and Smalling was taken off as he cost us the first goal... logic doesn't really hold there.
The harsh truth.
We havent play well in any of those games. Even the Arsenal match was more a containment job than anything.
Top 4 out of reach? We are 5 points off with 18 games to spare
Maybe I said that out of anger, but come to think of it, it's still a tough ask. You're asking all 3 of the Liverpool, Everton and Spuds to completely crumble. With our poor form, it's going to take more than a miracle.
Top 4 out of reach? We are 5 points off with 18 games to spare
In fairness I see us dropping more points than Liverpool from here on in. One step forward, two steps back.
That's bollocks though. It doesn't win you games because your players don't know whats going on. It's a tactic devised by a panicking manager.
You are right. The person who has kept Fabio out of the first team, instead leaving him playing as a number 10 in the reserves is to blame for this.
Top 4 out of reach? We are 5 points off with 18 games to spare
Yep, it's still close enough and it's certainly not beyond us. That said, I have no faith that we will actually do it, the performances and results this year aren't good enough to really believe we will make the top 4. A couple of high quality additions would massively help this team and raise morale but I don't think we'll do anything this month.
It's not moot, because you see a team play with confidence and hunger for 20mins and then fall to pieces. The story of our season so far is lack of confidence, lack of urgency, collective mistakes and rustiness in the last third. Context is everything.
But I will answer your specific question. As far as I'm concerned, he picked a strong side from the start, although I don't think Cleverley is good enough for United and Smalling is shoddy at right back. But he had limited options and given he doesn't fancy Fabio one bit, maybe to be expected. The subs for me weren't inspirational. Hernandez so far this season has looked poor (like 2 seasons ago when his first touch deserted him) and to take off Carrick for him I felt wasn't positive, just meant no balance. But we didn't lose because of the wrong subs. We lost due to the same reasons as we've lost the other games, and dropped points. He's not the one.
Top 4 is out of reach if we keep losing to the better teams.
Top 4 out of reach? We are 5 points off with 18 games to spare
At the rate we're going, I wouldn't be laughing.
At what point does Moyes become fearful of the sack? In any other organisation his appointment would have been ridiculous. No previous experience in winning trophies, no CL experience, no experience dealing with players of this calibre in terms of signing or coaching them.
I think the board were ill advised to allow SAF to choose his own successor and shouldn't have allowed that. SAF still has power at the club as the board would be loathe to give Moyes the boot as he is SAF's man and no one else even seemed to be interviewed for the job.
We needed someone to step in who is proven at this level. I'm all for giving Moyes time but can't see what we would be waiting for. In the summer he had the funds and time to sign players and failed to do so.
Only signing Fellaini for an inflated fee was criminal. Sitting in 7th place as champions the previous season on New Year's day is terrible. To put things in perspective we have lost one less game than West Brom. The players look clueless and they cant even back on to the confidence of the manager as he has never been in this position.
If we maintain this kind of form the Europa league will be a struggle. I'm of the opinion that if we finish outside the top 4 Moyes has to go, opinions?
I think the board were ill advised to allow SAF to choose his own successor and shouldn't have allowed that. SAF still has power at the club as the board would be loathe to give Moyes the boot as he is SAF's man and no one else even seemed to be interviewed for the job.
We needed someone to step in who is proven at this level. I'm all for giving Moyes time but can't see what we would be waiting for. In the summer he had the funds and time to sign players and failed to do so.
Only signing Fellaini for an inflated fee was criminal. Sitting in 7th place as champions the previous season on New Year's day is terrible. To put things in perspective we have lost one less game than West Brom. The players look clueless and they cant even back on to the confidence of the manager as he has never been in this position.
If we maintain this kind of form the Europa league will be a struggle. I'm of the opinion that if we finish outside the top 4 Moyes has to go, opinions?
Can't always blame him but it is telling that in nearly every game where the opposition comes with confidence that we struggle. I think though the players bar Januzaj have got to look at themselves.
We looked good at the start but paid the price for poor use of the ball in the final third when we were on top. This surely has to be another indication that perhaps Valencia needs to be properly dropped. He's had some good games against poor full backs or teams that were there for the beating but more often than not against good teams he's look suspect because his use off the ball is so poor. Januzaj and Young have both put in better performances from the right recently.
Personally though I wasn't a massive fan of Moye's subs today. I don't know if they didn't want to rest Carrick over more than 60 mins and I think Rooney dropping to midfield was fine but I think Hernandez was a mistake and sometimes I feel that Moyes in these situations knows he needs to show balls to try and get back in to it, but I don't always think he takes the best approach. We've seen him bring on Hernandez a few times to partner Welbeck and I don't think it really works that well. i know they got a goal against Norwich but it was a pretty fortunate goal. I think we might have been better served with Kagawa off Welbeck as I think we needed guile rather than being overly gung-ho. Plus then we could get Januzaj coming inside better for me, as Kagawa could bring him in better than Welbeck in a deeper position is going too, and likewise Welbeck in this form can make the most of balls than Hernandez can and link up better.
Likewise he's moved Valencia to rb a couple of times recently, which is fine but its cost us goals a few times now and I think he went for it too early or if he was going to do it then he at least needed to have a sitting midfielder covering.
But there's no telling it any of that would have changed things, I just think sometimes we could be better off trying to take control of the game and upping the tempo rather than just put as many forwards as possible.
But we certainly need to improve in staying solid and resolute against better teams. I thought our midfield was open once again, whether there was a tactic with Rooney playing a bit deeper or not, Clev/Rooney between them didn't provide enough support. This was really frustrating as for once we should have outnumbered a team centrally but we wasted it by having clev constantly pop up out wide.
Another 3 points we shouldn't be dropping and in the context of our position ones we can't really afford to drop. We've got 3 teams to get more points off just to claim a CL spot. We've got to sort out the wide area as against good teams it's doing nothing more often than not, and we need to sort out the middle. If it can't be as creative as it should be fine, but at the least it shouldn't be as easy to get by. I know Clev can sit there, as we've seen it before, we need to get him to do it in matches more often.
We looked good at the start but paid the price for poor use of the ball in the final third when we were on top. This surely has to be another indication that perhaps Valencia needs to be properly dropped. He's had some good games against poor full backs or teams that were there for the beating but more often than not against good teams he's look suspect because his use off the ball is so poor. Januzaj and Young have both put in better performances from the right recently.
Personally though I wasn't a massive fan of Moye's subs today. I don't know if they didn't want to rest Carrick over more than 60 mins and I think Rooney dropping to midfield was fine but I think Hernandez was a mistake and sometimes I feel that Moyes in these situations knows he needs to show balls to try and get back in to it, but I don't always think he takes the best approach. We've seen him bring on Hernandez a few times to partner Welbeck and I don't think it really works that well. i know they got a goal against Norwich but it was a pretty fortunate goal. I think we might have been better served with Kagawa off Welbeck as I think we needed guile rather than being overly gung-ho. Plus then we could get Januzaj coming inside better for me, as Kagawa could bring him in better than Welbeck in a deeper position is going too, and likewise Welbeck in this form can make the most of balls than Hernandez can and link up better.
Likewise he's moved Valencia to rb a couple of times recently, which is fine but its cost us goals a few times now and I think he went for it too early or if he was going to do it then he at least needed to have a sitting midfielder covering.
But there's no telling it any of that would have changed things, I just think sometimes we could be better off trying to take control of the game and upping the tempo rather than just put as many forwards as possible.
But we certainly need to improve in staying solid and resolute against better teams. I thought our midfield was open once again, whether there was a tactic with Rooney playing a bit deeper or not, Clev/Rooney between them didn't provide enough support. This was really frustrating as for once we should have outnumbered a team centrally but we wasted it by having clev constantly pop up out wide.
Another 3 points we shouldn't be dropping and in the context of our position ones we can't really afford to drop. We've got 3 teams to get more points off just to claim a CL spot. We've got to sort out the wide area as against good teams it's doing nothing more often than not, and we need to sort out the middle. If it can't be as creative as it should be fine, but at the least it shouldn't be as easy to get by. I know Clev can sit there, as we've seen it before, we need to get him to do it in matches more often.
If we don't make top 4 he has to go, I couldn't defend him if we don't make it, no one could.
We are the champions are we are currently 7th, a shit load off points worse of than last season and playing some terrible football. We have to give him a chance but failure to qualify for Europe is a sackable offence.
We are the champions are we are currently 7th, a shit load off points worse of than last season and playing some terrible football. We have to give him a chance but failure to qualify for Europe is a sackable offence.
They really should finish top 4 ahead of us. Their football is so far superior to us it's not funny.
Me neither, nothing wrong with having a go. That was a must win game and Moyes threw everything he had to try and grab two goals at the end.
It took Rogers that first season before we have seen this improvement
Probably because at the moment they are better than us, and if some of the transfer rumours are right they are going to get even better unless we spend some money and now. We need to look like we are contending otherwise players won't come here, they will look at our position and are going to think it is all down to the manager, when it isn't.
Let us get a decent midfielder and I'll take it from there, pretty telling that Jones is currently our best midfielder.
So we're dropping players who cost us goals now? Why has Valencia featured ever since he cost us the goal against Everton then?
We're not getting top four lads, but he'll be given another season I reckon.
We still have to play Chelsea away, Arsenal away, City at home, Liverpool at home, Newcastle away and Everton away.........
We've already lost 6 games....Them teams can easily dispose of us...We could be looking at losing 12 bloody games!!!
We've already lost 6 games....Them teams can easily dispose of us...We could be looking at losing 12 bloody games!!!
I meant during the match. And Valencia has been quite good when played right back over the years. He just happened to switch off and ball watch.
Wait, what?
Playing patchy football and scrambling results against mediocre to bad teams is not really progress.
The bottom line is we don't look good enough.
Rodgers has always played that way, it as you say taken just one season for the to adjust to his playing style. Moyes hasn't, if these players can't buck up then it is a bigger rebuilding job than any of us thought.
Ironically their CM is just as ordinary as ours. Allen,Henderson,Lucas and a past it Gerrard.
They are being dragged along by Suarez.
Look at what he had in comparison. He took an outside top 4 team to an outside top 4 finish. Moyes on the other hand...
Any suggestions for Moyes? He might be reading this thread to get some ideas......
Nah. The personnel is weaker but the manager is getting those very players to play lovely football.
Pointless to say it but we wouldn't have lost 6 games and be 11 points off the top if Mourinho had taken over.
Moyes is constantly sounding like a man out of his depth...he never stops banging on about how the team needs to be rebuilt...I mean he had his chance in the summer to do that...You can't blame Woody for Moyes telling him to go for players that we never had a hope of getting in the first place.....You don't hear Guardiola and Mourinho and the likes constantly harping on about how the team will need to be rebuilt over a few transfer windows..I mean at this point what world class players are going to come and play for David Moyes to rebuild the team?
Rodgers wasn't inheriting the champions, though.
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