Moyes So Far!

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Sky1981 said:
Giving him credit for rooney and januzaj is pathetic. It's likr applauding a driver for not forgetting to release the handbrake. With young and valencia form, it doesnt take a fecking genious to try januzaj.
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That's one angry post.
It's not pathetic as you say, it's far from it. Rooney is playing the best football he has in years, even after a summer in which he allegedly wanted to leave and was getting booed by the fans. To say Moyes shouldn't be given credit for this is what's pathetic.
As for Januzaj, he could have taken the easy option and kept him in the reserves and went with the more experienced players, he has managed him very well in my opinion. He signed a five year contract even though a host off top teams were after him, he must trust Moyes otherwise he may have been off.
Further, Valencia is playing some good stuff now, something he hasn't done for a long time, should Moyes get credit for that?
Sky1981 said:
And if he doesnt get near top 4 in 2 season, what makes you think he'll win the leaque on his third
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I agree, he wouldn't be at the club in season 3 to have a chance of winning the league.

Sky1981 said:
And a win against aston fecking villa.... Is not turning corner, we are manchester united, even everton are favorites againsy them
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No. But it's a start.
 
Sky1981 said:
Giving him credit for rooney and januzaj is pathetic. It's likr applauding a driver for not forgetting to release the handbrake. With young and valencia form, it doesnt take a fecking genious to try januzaj.

And if he doesnt get near top 4 in 2 season, what makes you think he'll win the leaque on his third season.


And a win against aston fecking villa.... Is not turning corner, we are manchester united, even everton are favorites againsy them
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:lol:
 
Now, now, Sky does have valid points. One thing I would steer clear of is "turning the corner" claims. I can't forget Houllier using it time and time again with Liverpool. Turn a few corners, and that's put you in the place you've started from.
 
Some nice comments from Moyes on manutd.com re Januzaj and youth policy today.

“He [Januzaj] is way ahead of schedule," Moyes told reporters. "He is doing brilliantly well. We took him on tour then we had him back at the start of the season, then he just kicked onto another gear. He was going past people on the inside, the outside and all his decision-making at the time was correct. He can score with both feet. We just thought this boy had gone on so quickly – he never let us down when he went to Sunderland. He is still learning. We still have to be careful with him.

“I read the thing Sir Matt Busby said about having to put the boys in and give them a chance, I see it written on the walls around the Academy. I want to be a manager who does give young boys an opportunity. I was like that at Everton and at Preston as well. I hope I am able to do that at Manchester United. Adnan has come to the fore and shown us what he is capable of.”
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David Moyes has continued where his predecessor Sir Alex Ferguson left off - by banning reporters for telling the truth.
In his final season in charge at Manchester United, Ferguson banned a reporter for correctly reporting Rio Ferdinand would miss United's first game of last term, a 1-0 defeat at Everton.
Another colleague was also excluded from one of Ferguson's weekly press briefings last season for revealing that the Reds' winger Antonio Valencia had been ruled out of action with an injury.
Again, the fact the story was correct did not matter.
Ferguson, the ultimate control freak, did not want the information out in the public domain, so his only recourse was to ban those reporters who had the temerity to do their job and find a story.
Moyes went down the Ferguson route today by banning me from the newspaper section of his press conference, for revealing his selected team for recent games before it had officially been made public, one hour before kick-off, in accordance with current regulations.
On match-days, prior to the official announcement of the United line-up, I have received team information and given details of what I believe the starting XI will be on this website as well as to my followers on Twitter.
Of course, it's a manager's prerogative to keep their team selection a closely-guarded secret for as long as they can, to ensure the opposing team does not gain a potential advantage by being privy to that information.
Just as it is a reporter's prerogative to elicit that information from sources.
Newspapers and websites produce probable team line-ups before games, based on the information at their disposal with regard to injuries, form and suspensions.
Everybody wants to know who's playing, whether it's Manchester United or Macclesfield Town. Finding out who's in or out or on the bench is part of the fabric of match-day.
When Ferguson dropped Wayne Rooney for the second leg of United's last 16 Champions League tie against Real Madrid at Old Trafford last season, it was huge news.
There were whispers about Rooney's omission from the starting line-up, but it was not confirmed until an hour before kick-off.
Had any newspaper or news outlet known he wasn't in the XI, you can be sure they would have run with it. It's why they exist - to break stories.
Leaks happen, details of who is or isn't playing have a habit of creeping out, and the job of any self-respecting reporter, in a competitive media industry, is to uncover that information and bring it to the attention of their readers.
In Ferguson's recent autobiography, the two themes running throughout are power and control, something the former United boss identified as one of the biggest factors behind his sustained success over three decades at Old Trafford.
Such was the level of control Ferguson exerted at United, dressing-room leaks were few and far between. But this is the start of a new era under Moyes and information that was once suppressed has been allowed to come out.
Whether that trend continues remains to be seen.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-banned--because-2947483
I wish we'd give this shite a rest. There's no need for it.
 
Boo-fecking-hoo, those 'journalists' always make me laugh when their asses are on fire. Glad one of those twats has been banned, should've been done earlier when they were all over David.
 
feck 'em. They actually think they're the stars of the show: from Oliver Kay's alice band to the journos who shouted "That's not good enough!" at Cardiff's assistant manager when he said "I can only answer questions on the game tomorrow", these clowns are indefensible.
 
SteveJ said:
feck 'em. They actually think they're the stars of the show: from Oliver Kay's alice band to the journos who shouted "That's not good enough!" at Cardiff's assistant manager when he said "I can only answer questions on the game tomorrow", these clowns are indefensible.
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Don't dare to criticize them or ask them about what they write though. Oliver Kay is a brilliant example. People starting harassing him about his Qatar super league and other journos jumped to his defense. After the Times issued a retraction, there was an apology from the paper but nothing much from Kay or his white knights.
 
Glad Moyes has done that. Whoever is leaking the info also needs sorting, but this is a start. He was leaking our team for pretty much every game. It's beyond a joke. Fergie didn't take any shit and I don't see why Moyes should when it's jeopardising what he's trying to do.
 
Amir said:
No, he's reporting it. Someone from the club is doing the leaks. Catch him.
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And he knows full fecking well he isn't supposed to be getting that information. Journalists get away with everything these days and call it "reporting". Well bollocks to that, we can't find the mole but we can put a stop to who he is informing and send a clear message out that Fergie might be gone but you still can't take the piss out of United.


As a reporter, being allowed a press pass at Old Trafford is a privalidge and like all privalidges it can be taken away if you take the piss.
 
You can say he shouldn't be getting inside transfer information either, but those things go on all the time. So reporters are supposed to only print match reports, quotes and interviews? Not that lineups and transfer news are of that level, but you're not leaving much space for any sort of investigative reporting.

He's not taking the piss, he's doing his job. If he's printing lies, that's taking the piss and that's a good enough reason to ban him. We're just being petty. Nice to see something hasn't changed from Fergie's years, I suppose.
 
Amir said:
You can say he shouldn't be getting inside transfer information either, but those things go on all the time. So reporters are supposed to only print match reports, quotes and interviews? Not that lineups and transfer news are of that level, but you're not leaving much space for any sort of investigative reporting.

He's not taking the piss, he's doing his job. If he's printing lies, that's taking the piss and that's a good enough reason to ban him. We're just being petty. Nice to see something hasn't changed from Fergie's years, I suppose.
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Leaking team news before they have to be officially confirmed might help the opposition, no? You have a very simplistic view if things.
 
Of course it's helping the opposition. Which is why the leak is bad and we should find who ever is doing it (or at least make sure he can't do it). The reporter isn't the issue. If someone's giving him the information, he's duty bound to use it. It's his bloody job.
 
datura said:
They'll be doing both!! It's pretty simple?
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Simple, and idiotic. They shouldn't be doing anything regarding the reporter.

By the way, I am actually a sports editor in my profession. So you'd excuse me if I don't use my United-can-do-no-wrong-the-world-can-feck-off attitude here.
 
Amir said:
Simple, and idiotic. They shouldn't be doing anything regarding the reporter.

By the way, I am actually a sports editor in my profession. So you'd excuse me if I don't use my United-can-do-no-wrong-the-world-can-feck-off attitude here.
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You've admitted him publishing it would help the opposition and then say that nothing should be done to him?! It would be the same for any club. It's you not being objective here...
 
datura, That's such an old fashion look. You get people following you on twitter, you get people reading your articles and going into the Mirror website. It's the same thing.

I'm all OK with going to war with reporters when they write crap and invent stuff. But this is just silly. Desperate really. Forget about this being a first step. We probably can't find the leak.

What you are saying is if someone tomorrow breaks the news we're about to sign X, which might cost us the deal because another club steps in, we should ban him too? Tow the party line or get it? Nonsense.
 
Amir said:
You can say he shouldn't be getting inside transfer information either, but those things go on all the time. So reporters are supposed to only print match reports, quotes and interviews? Not that lineups and transfer news are of that level, but you're not leaving much space for any sort of investigative reporting.

He's not taking the piss, he's doing his job. If he's printing lies, that's taking the piss and that's a good enough reason to ban him. We're just being petty. Nice to see something hasn't changed from Fergie's years, I suppose.
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Doing his job would be maintaining a good relationship with the club and not biting the hand that feeds him. The journalists who play by the clubs rules get the scoops and it shouldn't be any other way. They're making a living off the club, not the other way round.
 
datura said:
You've admitted him publishing it would help the opposition and then say that nothing should be done to him?! It would be the same for any club. It's you not being objective here...
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Something should be done to the person leaking it. He's the one working for the club and harming it. The journalist has other duties.

I know most of us here are United fans but the whole world doesn't have to operate according to our law.
 
Smores said:
Doing his job would be maintaining a good relationship with the club and not biting the hand that feeds him. The journalists who play by the clubs rules get the scoops and it shouldn't be any other way. They're making a living off the club, not the other way round.
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Doing his job is getting the best, most interesting, CORRECT information regarding football matters. He's doing that. It's another step forward from telling the world X and Y are out of today's game on Saturday morning and that Z is going to start - thing which happen all the time without anyone thinking twice - but it's not that dissimilar.
 
Football365.com ~ Moyes: No fear at Old Trafford

Early this season I'd have expected Moyes to have his excuses ready over the fixture pile up but his tone has totally changed, gotta say I'm loving it.

I've said it before but I´ll say it again, I think its no coincidence that our form improved after Moyes stopped with the excuses and started being more positive in his public statements. What Moyes is saying now makes it feel like he believes in the squad and I'm convinced that is helping them play with belief in themselves. The change in confidence in some players lately has been too obvious not to make the connection.

Pat on the back David Moyes! :lol:
 
Amir said:
Doing his job is getting the best, most interesting, CORRECT information regarding football matters. He's doing that. It's another step forward from telling the world X and Y are out of today's game on Saturday morning and that Z is going to start - thing which happen all the time without anyone thinking twice - but it's not that dissimilar.
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And you're not going to get the best information when you piss of your only direct source. If you're dependent on a source you consider the impact of the relationship before publishing. The club is not obliged to journalists, why the hell shouldn't we demand they uphold certain arrangements if they want information?
 
I don't really see the problem with banning the journalist, he's using information we don't want out that directly helps our competition. Of course the source is the main problem but that doesn't mean you shouldn't make attempts to stop him/hinder him and banning associates seems a decent weapon.
 
Ash_G said:
I don't really see the problem with banning the journalist, he's using information we don't want out that directly helps our competition. Of course the source is the main problem but that doesn't mean you shouldn't make attempts to stop him/hinder him and banning associates seems a decent weapon.
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This.

He's making public things that United deem harmful, so he's banned. If he didn't want to tangle with that eventuality he should have picked a different career, or avoided pissing us off.
 
SteveJ said:
feck 'em. They actually think they're the stars of the show: from Oliver Kay's alice band to the journos who shouted "That's not good enough!" at Cardiff's assistant manager when he said "I can only answer questions on the game tomorrow", these clowns are indefensible.
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Yup. I could feel the assistant's pain watching that. "That's not good enough." Well it's all you're getting so feck off!
 
Ash_G said:
I don't really see the problem with banning the journalist, he's using information we don't want out that directly helps our competition. Of course the source is the main problem but that doesn't mean you shouldn't make attempts to stop him/hinder him and banning associates seems a decent weapon.
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Banning the press from attending press conferences because they are reporting things you dont want in the public domain is never something I will be comfortable with. The press need to be able to report from whatever sources they have available unless its simply lies. If the reporting is skewed or biased then there need to be counter views put out there, but banning the media from doing their job, no matter what arse holes happen to be doing the reporting is a slippery slope.
 
Stack said:
Banning the press from attending press conferences because they are reporting things you dont want in the public domain is never something I will be comfortable with. The press need to be able to report from whatever sources they have available unless its simply lies. If the reporting is skewed or biased then there need to be counter views put out there, but banning the media from doing their job, no matter what arse holes happen to be doing the reporting is a slippery slope.
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Until we find the source of the leak what do you suggest as an alternative?
 
The fact he's playing the victim card, despite leaking out private team information and giving our opponents an advantage, is laughable.
 
Carl said:
Until we find the source of the leak what do you suggest as an alternative?
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Delay naming the team until the last suitable moment, it happens all over the world in pro sports where teams are selected at the last possible minute.
 
This is absurd. Banning journo because he names the line ups? I can understand if its a blatant smearing lies, but its a fecking line up ffs. We do that all the time, so what if some journo can guesss correctly about our line up, it's not a big secret

Im with amir on this, this is not worth a banning.

Besides, it's a risky gambit to pull makin enemy with the media, moyes is not fergie. The press has been quite soft with him, it's just a wrong time to go cocky and play the us against the world card.

I think he's jst using this to show his authority and it will backfire on him
 
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