Moyes So Far!

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Stack said:
Banning the press from attending press conferences because they are reporting things you dont want in the public domain is never something I will be comfortable with. The press need to be able to report from whatever sources they have available unless its simply lies. If the reporting is skewed or biased then there need to be counter views put out there, but banning the media from doing their job, no matter what arse holes happen to be doing the reporting is a slippery slope.
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It depends on the context though right. The press should be able to report for example something negative that you are doing have done etc, but this is different, this is someone revealing early something that the only effect is aiding our competition. The information is going to come out at a set time for the entire world it's not something we're hiding, but by the source leaking our team to certain news outlets and those news outlets reporting it to the world, all that is happening is that they are aiding our competition. I'm not saying we should be able to stop or should ban the press for saying anything that we don't want out there, but in this context I think it's perfectly reasonable because it's something that doesn't need to be revealed early and its only impact is to allow the opposition longer to think of a game plan/adapt their approach.
 
boo fecking hoo for the poor bullied sports journalist. the majority of them are complete scum like most british media and if moyes wants to ban him for tapping a pen too loudly in a press conference i dont give a shit. if he doesnt like it, dont leak the team again and welcome back.

david mcdonnell is an idiot anyway, as fergie said before in a press conference "oh i should have recognised that voice, it sends shivers down my spine". used to try kiss ass then and now fergie is gone he's calling him an "ultimate control freak". coward.
 
It was probably not Moyes's decision anyway. We now have a full blown media team.

Anyways, feck it. If you deliberately leak something which is fecking obviously meant to be confidential, you deserve to be thrown out. I do not understand the sympathy towards him as he was putting Man United at a disadvantage even before the game begins.
 
Smores said:
Exactly. I honestly don't understand how anyone other than reporters themselves don't understand this concept, and you'd think any half decent journalist would understand not to bite the hand that feeds them. Its like the royal correspondent publishing shit about the royal family then expecting to be invited over for tea with the queen afterwards.

The press can write what they want, they don't get to say how we react to it.
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Well we live in hope that this journalist would publish the story all the same, provided it's true. If they were to use your bizarre logic they would negate to cover the story and curry favour with the big-wig Royals instead, something which I suspect you would be complain about.

Amir is absolutely spot on in this thread. Banning McDonnell is petty and hinders the press from doing their job. His job is to report true information about Manchester United as quick and as accurately as possible. His job should not be to report bits and pieces in an effort to make friends or because his job covering United is by technicality, a 'privilege'. feck, reporting on the Commons is a privilege, but if they're all colluding and taking the piss out of taxpayers money then I do live in hope that whoever has this 'privilege' will be using it to good and honest effect.
 
Kag said:
His job should not be to report bits and pieces in an effort to make friends or because his job covering United is by technicality, a 'privilege'.
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And Moyes's job is not to let anyone publish information that can handicap team matters. Hence why he has every right to ban him.
 
Kag said:
Well we live in hope that this journalist would publish the story all the same, provided it's true. If they were to use your bizarre logic they would negate to cover the story and curry favour with the big-wig Royals instead, something which I suspect you would be complain about.

Amir is absolutely spot on in this thread. Banning McDonnell is petty and hinders the press from doing their job. His job is to report true information about Manchester United as quick and as accurately as possible. His job should not be to report bits and pieces in an effort to make friends or because his job covering United is by technicality, a 'privilege'. feck, reporting on the Commons is a privilege, but if they're all colluding and taking the piss out of taxpayers money then I do live in hope that whoever has this 'privilege' will be using it to good and honest effect.
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And he is very well welcome to continue doing his job, as the United press team did their's.
 
Tomuś said:
And Moyes's job is not to let anyone publish information that can handicap team matters. Hence why he has every right to ban him.
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Moyes can do that. From a United point of view I actually quite like what he's done. However, from an objective and wider point of view, Amir is spot on in this thread. No journalist should be hindered from doing their job on the basis they're providing accurate information to the public. That shouldn't happen, and those arguing otherwise will be the same big girls crying when they see photos of the next Rebekah Brooks having tea with Cameron and Clegg.
 
Kag said:
That shouldn't happen, and those arguing otherwise will be the same big girls crying when they see photos of the next Rebekah Brooks having tea with Cameron and Clegg.
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Does anyone care about that?
 
Bestie07 said:
And he is very well welcome to continue doing his job, as the United press team did their's.
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The point is that on a wider scale, United aren't doing the right. They're doing the right thing for themselves, which I personally am fine with, but it doesn't stop me from seeing that there is a wider problem with it and acknowledging that.
 
Ash_G said:
It depends on the context though right. The press should be able to report for example something negative that you are doing have done etc, but this is different, this is someone revealing early something that the only effect is aiding our competition. The information is going to come out at a set time for the entire world it's not something we're hiding, but by the source leaking our team to certain news outlets and those news outlets reporting it to the world, all that is happening is that they are aiding our competition. I'm not saying we should be able to stop or should ban the press for saying anything that we don't want out there, but in this context I think it's perfectly reasonable because it's something that doesn't need to be revealed early and its only impact is to allow the opposition longer to think of a game plan/adapt their approach.
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Correct.
 
Tomuś said:
Does anyone care about that?
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In the grand scheme of things, it's far more important than sport, or indeed, faffing around on an internet forum. So yes, I'd fecking well hope people did care about it.

The journo in question is perfectly entitled to print line ups if he's getting the information, and Moyes is perfectly entitled to ban him in an effort to draw attention to the leak.

Everyone has done the right thing by them. There's absolutely no contentious story here at all....(apart from probably the leak themselves)
 
Kag said:
The point is that on a wider scale, United aren't doing the right. They're doing the right thing for themselves, which I personally am fine with, but it doesn't stop me from seeing that there is a wider problem with it and acknowledging that.
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My point of view is very much limited to United. And I can see your point as well, but the thing is there has to be certain limitations within which the journalists should work. United have big money riding on every game, and leaking lineups puts United in a certain disadvantage. Suppose if two corporations are bidding on a government tender, and a journalist gets to know the bidding amount of one of them, does he go and print it in his paper? No he can't. Leaking United's lineups is not illegal like the example I mentioned would be, but it's similar and something which puts United at a disadvantage.
 
All I know is we wouldn't have had this discussion, or perhaps not to that degree had it been Fergie.
 
Kag said:
Well we live in hope that this journalist would publish the story all the same, provided it's true. If they were to use your bizarre logic they would negate to cover the story and curry favour with the big-wig Royals instead, something which I suspect you would be complain about.

Amir is absolutely spot on in this thread. Banning McDonnell is petty and hinders the press from doing their job. His job is to report true information about Manchester United as quick and as accurately as possible. His job should not be to report bits and pieces in an effort to make friends or because his job covering United is by technicality, a 'privilege'. feck, reporting on the Commons is a privilege, but if they're all colluding and taking the piss out of taxpayers money then I do live in hope that whoever has this 'privilege' will be using it to good and honest effect.
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I'm sure you're capable of recognising the difference between public interest journalism and what is essentially entertainment. This isn't a public affair it's a private business that has no wider obligation to visibility.

The reporter is just throwing a hissy fit, he'd have known that the club may not look on it favourably and he weighed it up and did it anyway.
 
Another good win.Maybe just maybe he is beginning to find his feet.But i would like to see how we go through this Christmas and New Year period to be sure.
 
Drifter said:
Another good win.Maybe just maybe he is beginning to find his feet.But i would like to see how we go through this Christmas and New Year period to be sure.
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Results have been decent in recent weeks, but there's a long, long way to go for him still. I'm not at all convinced he's the right man for the job, but he'll get some breathing space if the team keeps getting the results.
 
The change from a 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 has really worked for him. The team has played well in the last three matches.
 
Mockney said:
In the grand scheme of things, it's far more important than sport, or indeed, faffing around on an internet forum. So yes, I'd fecking well hope people did care about it.

The journo in question is perfectly entitled to print line ups if he's getting the information, and Moyes is perfectly entitled to ban him in an effort to draw attention to the leak.

Everyone has done the right thing by them. There's absolutely no contentious story here at all....(apart from probably the leak themselves)
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This
 
Mockney said:
The journo in question is perfectly entitled to print line ups if he's getting the information, and Moyes is perfectly entitled to ban him in an effort to draw attention to the leak.

Everyone has done the right thing by them. There's absolutely no contentious story here at all....(apart from probably the leak themselves)
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Yup. That's the way I see it.
 
We're still fairly slow and static through the middle but credit to Moyes for countering that as best he can with what we have available. Rooney doing his best Scholes impression again was nice to see.
 
He's slowly fixing Welbeck and Young and intermittently had Valencia doing a job. If he can get him to become less wasteful we'll bang in a fair few more goals.

Fix the broken men Moyesy!
 
I've got to say, the decision to bring Evra off kind of annoyed me. Pointless and unrequired changes to the defence cause mistakes as seen today with it leading directly to the goal.

Same thing led to Southampton's late equaliser iirc.
 
Finally he realized a 4-4-2 wasn't working and leaving us too open. Having Rooney drop deeper to pull the strings has gotten us several positive results in a row.
 
Kostur said:
Making Rooney drop deeper works wonders really. Credit to Moyesey, hope we can keep up the good run.
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Frustrating to think that if we had used him their in the Everton/Newcastle games we probably would have 4 points more if not 6.
 
togg said:
but is playing rooney deeper just facilitating Rooney's desire to leave even stronger, I thought this is what he complained to Ferguson about...
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He was playing as a CM in a two under Fergie. Here he is playing as a CM/AM with two other CM who do the dirty work. Rooney probably just doesnt have the tools to play in a Scholes role in a two man CM.
 
Rado_N said:
I've got to say, the decision to bring Evra off kind of annoyed me. Pointless and unrequired changes to the defence cause mistakes as seen today with it leading directly to the goal.

Same thing led to Southampton's late equaliser iirc.
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I'm with you on that one. Unless Evra was injured there was no reason for that substitution.
 
Rado_N said:
I've got to say, the decision to bring Evra off kind of annoyed me. Pointless and unrequired changes to the defence cause mistakes as seen today with it leading directly to the goal.

Same thing led to Southampton's late equaliser iirc.
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But then how do we give him a rest? I mean the ten mins or so it was isn't ideal but better than nothing and a chance to keep buttner sharp- as it was we saw that he wasn't quite switched on defensively so something to be aware of if we were considering starting him. I think ideally we'd have taken him off earlier as you can't be expected to play every game.
 
Rado_N said:
I've got to say, the decision to bring Evra off kind of annoyed me. Pointless and unrequired changes to the defence cause mistakes as seen today with it leading directly to the goal.

Same thing led to Southampton's late equaliser iirc.
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That wasnt pointless, there was clearly a point. Giving the guy a breather in a long season is smart. We were 3 goals up, perfect time to give him a breather.
 
togg said:
but is playing rooney deeper just facilitating Rooney's desire to leave even stronger, I thought this is what he complained to Ferguson about...
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I'd say Rooney's issue is that he is competitive and he has an ego (like all athletes) and he did not believe RVP was better than he was, yet RVP was getting the accolades last season and Rooney most likely felt he was a better player but was not being put in the position to showcase his talent.

This season it is different. Rooney has showed his quality, and if moving Rooney deeper suddenly turns the teams fortunes around, the accolades will HAVE to fall on his shoulders. People will always find a way to complain. Last season we were winning and walking the league. This season we're in survival mode and from what I've seen of Rooney for the last decade or so, above and beyond anything else he is a competitor and will do what he has to do to ensure he is a winner.
 
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