If Sir Alex is in charge, I'd be confident we'd at least make 2nd. Now I expect us to finish 7th.
Moyes So Far!
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If Sir Alex is in charge, I'd be confident we'd at least make 2nd. Now I expect us to finish 7th.
Our main rivals for fourth are Spurs who are stuttering, Liverpool who don't have an especially deep squad and who have two of their best players missing for the next month and Everton who again don't have an especially deep squad and who also rely very heavily on their first choice back four staying fit.
At this point I'd have us as favourites. Once we get Rooney and RvP playing they'll cover a multitude of sins.
At this point I'd have us as favourites. Once we get Rooney and RvP playing they'll cover a multitude of sins.
I really hope you're right, I didn't like the Moyes appointment since day 1, but am desperate for him to do well.
This. Add Carrick who also highly important to those playing regularly and I'd expect us to be in the mix. Would be hoping Liverpool dropped a few points over the Christmas period without Sturridge and Gerrard as having no European distractions is a big advantage for a smaller squad.
For us fans that be a big deal but I doubt someone like Rooney would see those positives.
Not impossible but very difficult given the football were playing right now.
This. I imagine he's safe this season no matter what happens, (short of relegation
). But if we don't get into the CL, next season their fingers will be on the trigger.Not if each manager comes with a list of players to buy!
It's certainly possible. Sad though that we are so dependent on very few players and missing just one is so big. And even with all of them, so far this season, it hasn't been good enough.
You're joking right? When last did Chelsea break even?
I don't think 'Educating David' should be a 2/3 year project for MUFC. The least a club of our stature should demand is a manager who knows who he is, what he wants, and how to achieve it, from his first day on the job.
He's got a squad of players, just as he had at Everton, and his job as manager boils down to a simple task - assessing those players, ensuring they're physically and mentally prepared, and then picking 11 to play the best football possible on any particular day. If he needs two years to learn how to do that, we picked the wrong man.
correct. the criminal is laudering his dirty money through them.
City are different. Its a branding exercise.
Just watching the interview with Fergie on MUTV here. On the Liverpool game
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I disagree. He has a lot to learn. I think our dealings in the summer hint of a lack of knowledge of players at this level, as he can now afford and attract the sort of players he wouldn't have bothered looking at while at Everton. For the first time, he has to manage a really big squad. He has to juggle between several competitions, Europe is now a constant he never had before. There are probably bigger ego's in our dressing room. There are certainly far, far more expectations and media focus. It's a totally different level of football management.
He may know how we wants his team to play, but the distance from there to understanding everything and getting the job done, is huge.
Yep..it is a huge job to be frank. I think Moyes has had the rug pulled out from under him in terms of fully understanding and reaslising just how big Manchester United is. He really does have a huge re-building job to do I reckon. Rio, Vidic, Evra...all slowly getting past it. Rooney who I still think will finally ask officially for a transfer. RVP who is no spring chicken and a midfield devoid of creativity and impact. This isn't going to happin in one or two transfer windows, it's a longer term project. One that I think has been reflected in the six year contract Moyes was given. I'm not saying he wil get all that....but I just think with Fergie and Charlton upstairs, he'll get longer than probably most fans would want!
United have had teams that could run for a while almost without a manager. A bit like post-Jose Chelsea or Everton 2013, as Moyes claims it to be. United of recent years has not been that team and Moyes certainly didn't get a team that could still do the job while he learns things. But at the end of the day, big clubs regularly appoint new coaches when they are in need of a change or certainly are not at the top of their game. And they expect things to change and improve pretty quick.
I think Moyes got a six-year deal simply to annnounce to the world that even without Fergie, we're still looking for stability. I doubt anyone at OT, from the Glazers down, expected or thought that we'd be in this position in December, after so much rubbish football.
But yeah, Moyes will get a lot of time - unless the Glazers decide to step in. Fergie has been so supportive of giving managers time, and he's also mellowed a lot in recent years. If Anderson got SIX years under Fergie, Moyes could complete 26 years of his own.
To be fair, that could also be a problem, Fergie's tendency to be over-patient in recent years. I'm not as confident with him taking the tough but correct decision as much as I used to.
I think Moyes got a six-year deal simply to annnounce to the world that even without Fergie, we're still looking for stability. I doubt anyone at OT, from the Glazers down, expected or thought that we'd be in this position in December, after so much rubbish football.
But yeah, Moyes will get a lot of time - unless the Glazers decide to step in. Fergie has been so supportive of giving managers time, and he's also mellowed a lot in recent years. If Anderson got SIX years under Fergie, Moyes could complete 26 years of his own.
To be fair, that could also be a problem, Fergie's tendency to be over-patient in recent years. I'm not as confident with him taking the tough but correct decision as much as I used to.
I liked his Everton team and the only concern i had was his ability in Europe and he's done well there. I still hold the belief/hope that the rough start was him learning the team and bad luck with injuries.
He wont be able to hide those reasons for a full season though. I think its ridiculous to be turning in him yet
He wont be able to hide those reasons for a full season though. I think its ridiculous to be turning in him yet
I've seen this and thought 'at least I'm not the only one who thinks so'. 100% right, we could beat them in the past despite playing considerably worse than that.
Chelsea don't break even because they are not in need of breaking even, if Mourinho stayed there since his first stint, would they have been breaking even?
Abramovich likes to sign players and with or without new mangers, they'd be doing that all the time anyway.
I see his point though. It says a lot for where we are that one change can have such a significant impact in how we play. especially in midfield
If we lose to Villa......
I didn't see us losing our last two games, but come on, there's no way we'll lose this too. I'd be shocked if we lost against Villa.
Same here. But I would be shocked to be shocked again. :P
Chelsea Football Club has said it made a profit of £1.4m
Making the big ones.
Making the big ones.Villa away is there for the taking. On one hand they've beaten City and Cardiff at home, on the other, they've lost to Spurs and Everton. If we have Rooney and RvP available, we're likely to take the points.
Even if we dont have them we have more than enough to beat Villa.
I disagree. Even if we miss out on CL he should not be sacked. If we end the season far from top 4, I can accept a change. But I'm very confident that we'll turn things around...
Moyes is a top manager and has proven that, now it's time for him to show he can be a world class manager and he should get time to do that.
No it's not the only difference. Obviously injuries to key players like Carrick and Van Persie also matter, but the big difference is the players and they can't blame Moyes for a performance like against Newcastle.
They are top class players, who have let the new manager down.
So Moyes aint at fault then? At all in relation to Saturday?
DDG, RVP, Rooney, Rafael, Vidic and Carrick would be the only players I'd consider top class on their day at this club, these days. All of those players have either suffered from injury or in Rooney's case, not let us down at all. He's been brilliant this season.
Then it's a case of some of our squad players under performing, which simply isn't good.
He has made some mistakes, I'm not saying that. But I think it's an overreaction at this point to say he should be sacked. I really do think the players have let him down, and it was never gonna be easy this first year for him. Although it's been worse than expected.
Dont think he made it easier on himself with not heeding SAF's advice about our old coaching staff. I think it goes both ways. The players have let him down. moyes has made his mistakes. How long will it take for him to feel like he truly belongs here? It needs to happen sooner rather than later. It has to get better or I really worry for him.
Ok, but good players like Rio, Nani, Valencia, Welbeck, Evans and Cleverley have been far from their best. Add the injuries to these top class players you mention...
This has probably been asked and answered somewhere on the forum already, but when was the last time we lost three consecutive league games?
I just don't buy the argument that the players have let Moyes down. Ultimately, it's the manager's responsibility to create an atmosphere at the club that brings the best out of the players. If the manager does a poor job in that area, then you're likely going to get the sort erratic performances that are devoid of confidence that we've seen this year, but somehow magically didn't last year when Fergie's nearly identical side led us to a double digit league title. Fergie is/was a great manager who had the unique ability to imbue his sides with a cut throat winning mentality. Moyes is a good mid table manager with experience getting his sides within range of the top four. We can make all the excuses in the world about other sides strengthening and our lack of an ideal midfield acquisition, but ultimately Moyes' inexperience at a big club and his having to learn on the job has been our weakest point. I'm quite confident Fergie would have us in the top three if he was still running the show.
Have to agree to a large extent. Their is no collectiveness about the group, no leadership. That first half against Shaktar was appalling, nobody had a clue what they were doing, and the manager just sat hunched in his chair. Moyes needs to exert his authority by making big calls, rightly or wrongly to gain a footing and demand respect. At the moment he looks like he's living on a prayer in every game, the players don't appear to believe in him....that is his responsibility to create that belief.
That said some of the players have really let themselves down in game time with some basic errors.
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