This is probably true, but could the club manage even more change right now? It's a dilly of a pickle.
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This is probably true, but could the club manage even more change right now? It's a dilly of a pickle.
There are issues no doubt, but I think a lot of them transcend Moyes and would be here regardless. There is an argument that he should be able to rise above the issues, but I'm not sure anybody could.
His saving grace is that he is at a club that recognise the situation we are in, as proven by them giving him a six-year deal when it could just has easily have been three. He will be given time to address this situation, and the fans that are panicking would be wise to get used to the situation and back the manager.
This line seems to imply Moyes should get credit for that but 2 of the 3 midfielders that played for Everton were Barry and McCarthy who were both signed by Martinez this Summer.
He's going to have a major January transfer dilemma I think. We need quality over quantity, especially to give the side a mental boost. That kind of quality isn't usually available in January though. So does he settle for second best and end up with an even messier clear out for the summer or does he wait for the summer to buy and then get criticized as hell for not addressing squad improvement when the team could desperately do with exactly that?
Hopefully we have a good on the field January (and the rest of this month) to ease the tensions. Cuz I'd rather have him not bloat the squad further with quantity over quality.
Hopefully we have a good on the field January (and the rest of this month) to ease the tensions. Cuz I'd rather have him not bloat the squad further with quantity over quality.
Bit in bold is an extremely harsh criticism.
He made 3 changes. Ferdinand out for Vidic, Giggs out for Cleverley and Nani out for Welbeck. I'd say the only 1 of those changes that wasn't forced was the Nani one.
Not making those changes hasn't helped us one bit.... As things stand (and obviously they could still change) - no title race, no CL football, and while we're still in the cups it might not last long once we meet the big boys. So make whatever changes you feel are needed.
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I agree that a lot of our problems were already here pre-Moyes. But the funny thing is I was a little excited about the new manager because I felt a new man with fresh view and fresh ideas would improve some of them. I also thought he may find the way to get some players going again - maybe Nani, or Young, or even Anderson. But nothing's happened. It's not even a case of Moyes improving some things while others take a turn for the worse. Rooney's playing well and there's Januzay, but apart from that, same old, same old... and even worse. I'm a bit surprised by that.
Totally, but I'm not at all surprised. I'm still excited, but this period needs to be waited out. I think Fergie saw this coming too, his on pitch farewell seems to have been quite on the money in this regard.
The club is not one entity so there's no way of knowing what each of the owners and directors thought Moyes could be achieving. I doubt any of them had this in mind after several months. I doubt anyone would have given him a six year contract with that in mind.
As far as I am concerned it's an simple situation. I'm backing the manager 100% and will as long as he's here. Doesn't have to mean I actually believe he's the right man for the job.
While you are right and it's hard to argue, I'm going to try. The on pitch stuff often reflects the inner workings of a club and I think that's what is happening here. Maybe an on pitch revolution would bring attention to the team and obscure the other stuff but I can equally see it adding turmoil as much as relieving it.
So you were right about one thing, then. You have to admit the complete renaissance in Rooney's game is probably the most positive thing Moyes has achieved at this point.
Yeah, but people seem to be clinging like mad men to the very few positives. Funnily enough I can't help but wonder if the fact Moyes knows Rooney from their days at Everton has given him the edge there.
But even with Rooney, it remains to be seen what will happen after the summer of 2014...
Totally, the Rooney defence is as yet unproven. Wayne might be playing for a move as much as Moyes.
Who cares, he's fecking playing. If he wasn't, we'd practically be in the relegation zone by now.
Did you have too much coffee? Calm down. I'm merely commenting on the fact that Moyes should get credit for Rooney. Like the cons, the pros are yet to be seen too.
Really? I'd say we're seeing examples of both. Rooney's playing brilliantly, the team are badly underperforming. Those are two right there.
Or for the WC. Or because he's proud and wants to prove himself.
I think he'll want to go.
I think it depends on how we do. If we go through a rebuilding proccess or something like that, he won't be waiting around.
We are going through a rebuilding process. We sort of have to given how Moyes has started.
Yeah, but some take more time than others. I'll think he'll want to see some real progress by the end of the season in order to stay.
Rooney could play like shit all season and he'd go to the World cup.
What progress will we have by the end of the season? I see us finishing 4th if we do amazingly from here onwards, and I dont see us doing amazingly. So the best we can do is finish somewhere around 5th to 7th. That's at the end of the day a huge step backwards, and that's how someone like Rooney who has already wanted to go will see it.
Not what I meant. He wants to make his mark on the world cup. And I dont think Rooney is someone who can just turn it on suddenly after playing poorly all season.
He'll be given at least 2 years providing we don't spectacularly underachieve (midtable finish etc)
What qualifies as spectacular underachievement? If he finishes outside of Top 4 this season then i think there is potential he will go in the summer. If they stick with him, he'll get a stay of execution until November time and if its still looking ropey then i would imagine they would take action.
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So a Europa League place isnt a spectacular unaderachievement for Utd? Genuinely interested in your thoughts cause i think if he falls outside Top 4 (which looks more likely with every passing game thus far) then he will be on a very shaky peg.
In normal circumstances then it would be but I think the club understand what a difficult job Moyes has taken on. Granted he's doing poorer than he should be doing despite these challenges but if we finish in the top 6 he'll be manager at the start of next season in my opinion.
Having said that, I still think we'll finish strongly and get top 4.
I think you're right - not saying i agree with it but most likely will be. He needs to generate an improvement now though as a few more shaky results in a row will create fair bit of momentum behind his detractors.
If he does fall outside Top 4, then he will have till November to show improvement i.e. if we finished 6th this season and were sitting where we are now come November 2014, then i think he'd be gone
I think people are overplaying the idea that he will be given several years. The Glazers will surely step in if they see a sharp decline in brand and revenue through the absence of on the pitch success.
I think not qualifying for the CL would be a spectacular underachievement. We were champions last season and finished a staggering 28 points ahead of Liverpool and 17 ahead of Spurs and that's after we had that mini dodgy run after winning the league.
If we fell behind either of those two I would class that as a spectacular underachievement, especially if we continue to lose at home to mid table sides such as Newcastle and WBA.
If we fell behind either of those two I would class that as a spectacular underachievement, especially if we continue to lose at home to mid table sides such as Newcastle and WBA.
At least starting to play the sort of football that shows promise for next season. Something like the second half of 2005/06, where ever it may lead us.
I think that's the biggest mystery of all. We have no idea how they'll tackle this. I'm not sure they do either! Do they make a decision? Continue to base themselves on the input of Fergie and Charlton? Who knows...
This, ultimately it's all about the bottom line for the Glazers, and sacking & signing managers a la Real Madrid or Abramovich is much less costly than not making the CL.
We are 7 points from Fourth place with 69 points to play for. Hardly an unachievable goal at this point in time is it?
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