Moyes So Far!

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Then sent him on loan and bought another full back. He didn't exactly pull up any trees on loan either. People are still clinging to the fact he played in a Champions League final. Truth is it was because his brother had been injured, Fergie had fallen out with Brown and we had no other options. How often did he play the following season?

You're right Fabio hasn't been given many chances. Virtually the only outfield player who hasn't. It makes me doubt he's as good as his fan club thinks. Just because Rafael has matured into a very good player doesn't meen Fabio has or will.

You're also forgetting the run of games that he had leading up to the final where he put in some good performances. Yeah he filled in for Rafael but he did a good job regardless.

That's all I'm saying. It's hard to know what exactly the management weren't liking with Fabio but for the most part, when he was out there, I'd say his good performances outweighed his bad ones and from a fan's perspective, I think he should at least be given more games but perhaps moyes has seen enough. I guess what I'm trying to say is I dont think Fabio's absence is just down to him not being good enough.
 
Unconvincing match, but you couldn't complain in any way about his first CL campaign. Our points haul have been excellent and we're getting the job done with little to no fuss.

So I guess praise is due to the Moyes-man. Now let's get some points on board in the league.
 
:lol: I'm astounded he considered Redknapp. Even down the list. Sorry Finneh. At least it means I read your long post.

I meant the list of all attainable managers. Not a list of managers that would be my preference.

Neither Redknapp nor Moyes would have been on my shortlist!
 
Last game of the group stage, through already, important games in the league forthcoming - these types of games we've often played horribly and lost under Fergie. Both with first and second tier players. The CL campaign as a whole has been very well executed, with the games against Leverkusen as notable high points. They drew Bayern, beat Dortmund and were outclassed twice by Moyes' boys.

It's all a bit upside down as I expected us to get a rough start in the league but pick up steadily, whilst struggling in Europe this year. The opposite has happened.
 
I think the Moyes doom and gloom could reignite this weekend if we don't take 3 points off Villa away which I don't think we will...we badly need Carrick back as him staying injury free is the only hope really to save our season
 
I think the Moyes doom and gloom could reignite this weekend if we don't take 3 points off Villa away which I don't think we will...we badly need Carrick back as him staying injury free is the only hope really to save our season

The people that have already decided that Moyes is not up to the job will need more than a few wins to change their view.
 
a little look at the other managers to take over at our main rivals this summer is further proof that so many on here are hysterical. im obviously unhappy with the start but all in all we could still be in the mix after a decent run. all the other teams will drop a few points in the next few weeks. so, imagine if you will, moyes had done any of the following:

Pursued a player in the summer and said "its him or bust" and then fail desperately to land him after a very public pursuit. Moyes got hung, drawn and quartered for a similar thing.

Allowed our best young striker to go out on loan and fail to replace him.

Spend 30 million on a player that plays in a position we are overstocked in already.

Publicly slate his team over and over, with the latest barb being "dummies could score against us."

Isolate our best player and simply not play him even when its calling out for him.

or,

lead us to one of the worst away records in the league. (moyes being slaughtered for the defeats with other top teams just one behind us)

and most specatcularly of all, imagine what people on here would say if David Moyes won us a game 3-2 and did not know that a 4th goal would top the group and avoid a potentially nightmare tie in the next round of the CL. Especially given his lack of cl experience people would have been calling for him to be sacked for sheer incompetence.

Weve got out problems there is no doubt and there is little compensation being "only slightly worse" than others. But people could do with a bit if balance when hammering moyes over every single bloody word in a press conference.
 
Mourinho's got a track record to fall back on. Moyes doesn't so it's silly to compare the two.
 
a little look at the other managers to take over at our main rivals this summer is further proof that so many on here are hysterical. im obviously unhappy with the start but all in all we could still be in the mix after a decent run. all the other teams will drop a few points in the next few weeks. so, imagine if you will, moyes had done any of the following:

Pursued a player in the summer and said "its him or bust" and then fail desperately to land him after a very public pursuit. Moyes got hung, drawn and quartered for a similar thing.

Allowed our best young striker to go out on loan and fail to replace him.

Spend 30 million on a player that plays in a position we are overstocked in already.

Publicly slate his team over and over, with the latest barb being "dummies could score against us."

Isolate our best player and simply not play him even when its calling out for him.

or,

lead us to one of the worst away records in the league. (moyes being slaughtered for the defeats with other top teams just one behind us)

and most specatcularly of all, imagine what people on here would say if David Moyes won us a game 3-2 and did not know that a 4th goal would top the group and avoid a potentially nightmare tie in the next round of the CL. Especially given his lack of cl experience people would have been calling for him to be sacked for sheer incompetence.

Weve got out problems there is no doubt and there is little compensation being "only slightly worse" than others. But people could do with a bit if balance when hammering moyes over every single bloody word in a press conference.


That's good shit right there.
 
Mourinho's got a track record to fall back on. Moyes doesn't so it's silly to compare the two.


i actually agree with you mostly. but all im suggesting is some reason when it comes to moyes. many many things have been blown way out of proportion.
 
I agree on the Mourinho points. However City look pretty solid, shaky away form but that's to be expected considering it's a new manager to the league, it's bound to take a bit of time to adjust.

Home Results:
Newcastle United 4:0
Hull City 2:0
Manchester United 4:1
Everton 3:1
Norwich City 7:0
Tottenham Hotspur 6:0
Swansea City 3:0

So they've won every game, conceded 2 goals and scored 29 goals. The only easy fixtures in that list imo are Hull and Swansea.

Away Results:
Cardiff City 3:2
Stoke City 0:0
Aston Villa 3:2
West Ham United 1:3
Chelsea 2:1
Sunderland 1:0
West Brom 2:3
Southampton 1:1

Not exactly inspiring away form agreed.

One thing I will say about City, they're pretty reliant on Aguero, he's the highest goal scorer and has the highest assists in the City squad. They do play very good football at home and are pretty good away but seem way to open at the back. They've struggled with Kompany being out and really could do with having a settled CB partnership.
 
a little look at the other managers to take over at our main rivals this summer is further proof that so many on here are hysterical. im obviously unhappy with the start but all in all we could still be in the mix after a decent run. all the other teams will drop a few points in the next few weeks. so, imagine if you will, moyes had done any of the following:

Pursued a player in the summer and said "its him or bust" and then fail desperately to land him after a very public pursuit. Moyes got hung, drawn and quartered for a similar thing.

Allowed our best young striker to go out on loan and fail to replace him.

Spend 30 million on a player that plays in a position we are overstocked in already.

Publicly slate his team over and over, with the latest barb being "dummies could score against us."

Isolate our best player and simply not play him even when its calling out for him.

or,

lead us to one of the worst away records in the league. (moyes being slaughtered for the defeats with other top teams just one behind us)

and most specatcularly of all, imagine what people on here would say if David Moyes won us a game 3-2 and did not know that a 4th goal would top the group and avoid a potentially nightmare tie in the next round of the CL. Especially given his lack of cl experience people would have been calling for him to be sacked for sheer incompetence.

Weve got out problems there is no doubt and there is little compensation being "only slightly worse" than others. But people could do with a bit if balance when hammering moyes over every single bloody word in a press conference.

Hehe. Spot on.
 
Fair assessment?

Manchester United analysis: Five reasons why David Moyes has got off to such a bumpy start at Old Trafford
independent.co.uk

The wrong kind of fear
Under Sir Alex Ferguson, under-performance brought a fear of what the manager would say when the players trooped into the dressing room — a significant part of the “control” which the former manager has spoken of in his new career as a management guru. But the players have a different kind of fear now. Their timidity and anxiety during Saturday’s home defeat against Newcastle revealed they are burdened by the responsibility of delivering for David Moyes what they did for his predecessor. Some looked like they didn’t want the ball, while one of those who did — Tom Cleverley — demonstrated that it is the quality of the contribution that counts, not the quantity. It is two years since Cleverley’s recovery from fitness was yearned for, after his promise on the 2011 pre-season tour made him the next big thing. Now, he is one of too many United players who would simply not make the Chelsea or Arsenal teams.

Suspicion
Moyes has an innate suspicion of the media. There is certainly a more fraternal environment in his press discussions, with Moyes willing for journalists to pull up a chair to talk — in a way that Ferguson did not. But Moyes is deeply suspicious of TV cameras and his discomfort when on film has created a series of excruciating televised press conferences. There is no link between press conferences and form, of course. But the negativity Moyes is projecting to the world has served only to deepen his image as someone lacking the inspirational qualities needed for this job. His distaste for questions about injuries has also made him disinclined to discuss Robin van Persie in any depth, creating an air of mystery and a sense that there is a problem between the striker and the club.

Marouane Fellaini has failed to deliver since reuniting with Moyes

Luck
It’s not just managerial propaganda when Moyes tells us he could use some it. The loss of Michael Carrick to a hamstring injury has been bad luck, as has the inability to deploy Wayne Rooney and Van Persie in tandem because of injury or suspension. They’ve started only eight games this season and United have won six of them and drawn two. To an extent, luck has deserted them in games, too. They hit the woodwork twice against Newcastle.

Conservatism
United’s problems stem from their failure in the summer transfer market. Moyes summed up his philosophy on Friday when he said: “I tend to take my time and try to assess what are the best players to bring in.” But since the squad he has inherited are patently not up to the task of retaining the title, the summer was a time when Moyes should have thrown off his conservative instincts. There was surprise at the top of some other elite Premier League clubs when Moyes did not progress United’s interest in Barcelona’s Thiago Alcantara, allowing the midfielder to go to Bayern Munich instead. Neither did United display the imagination in the loan market that Everton have. Moyes went conservatively with the tried and tested — £27million Marouane Fellaini — who to date has not delivered.

Experience
The players might have it in spades but the manager, of course, does not. And despite all the talking about Moyes possessing the commitment and desire to turn things around, he simply has no experience of learning from previous decisions and mistakes at the elite end of football. And because of that, there is a limit to how he can guide and inspire his players. Liverpool’s Bob Paisley had a similarly bumpy start when he succeeded Bill Shankly in 1974 — losing five of his first 16 League games, while Moyes has lost five in 15. But Paisley had spent years watching and learning from Shankly. Few of the challenges he faced were novel. In an ideal world, Moyes would have worked for a year as Ferguson’s assistant. But Premier League football doesn’t work like that.
 
the inability to deploy Wayne Rooney and Van Persie in tandem because of injury or suspension. They’ve started only eight games this season and United have won six of them and drawn two.

'kinell, I didn't realise that!

That puts in a spanner in the argument that we need to drop one of them and play Kagawa!
 
Luck
It’s not just managerial propaganda when Moyes tells us he could use some it. The loss of Michael Carrick to a hamstring injury has been bad luck, as has the inability to deploy Wayne Rooney and Van Persie in tandem because of injury or suspension. They’ve started only eight games this season and United have won six of them and drawn two. To an extent, luck has deserted them in games, too. They hit the woodwork twice against Newcastle.

Lets not go down the road of the scousers and put everything down to bad luck. Hitting the post twice in a game isn't bad luck, it was bad finishing on our part.
 
We need to go blurp blurp during the transfer window. Everywhere except for GK (De Gea is ace).

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a little look at the other managers to take over at our main rivals this summer is further proof that so many on here are hysterical. im obviously unhappy with the start but all in all we could still be in the mix after a decent run. all the other teams will drop a few points in the next few weeks. so, imagine if you will, moyes had done any of the following:

Pursued a player in the summer and said "its him or bust" and then fail desperately to land him after a very public pursuit. Moyes got hung, drawn and quartered for a similar thing.

Allowed our best young striker to go out on loan and fail to replace him.

Spend 30 million on a player that plays in a position we are overstocked in already.

Publicly slate his team over and over, with the latest barb being "dummies could score against us."

Isolate our best player and simply not play him even when its calling out for him.

or,

lead us to one of the worst away records in the league. (moyes being slaughtered for the defeats with other top teams just one behind us)

and most specatcularly of all, imagine what people on here would say if David Moyes won us a game 3-2 and did not know that a 4th goal would top the group and avoid a potentially nightmare tie in the next round of the CL. Especially given his lack of cl experience people would have been calling for him to be sacked for sheer incompetence.

Weve got out problems there is no doubt and there is little compensation being "only slightly worse" than others. But people could do with a bit if balance when hammering moyes over every single bloody word in a press conference.

Absolute POTY i might suck your knob/fanny for this
 
a little look at the other managers to take over at our main rivals this summer is further proof that so many on here are hysterical. im obviously unhappy with the start but all in all we could still be in the mix after a decent run. all the other teams will drop a few points in the next few weeks. so, imagine if you will, moyes had done any of the following:

Pursued a player in the summer and said "its him or bust" and then fail desperately to land him after a very public pursuit. Moyes got hung, drawn and quartered for a similar thing.

Allowed our best young striker to go out on loan and fail to replace him.

Spend 30 million on a player that plays in a position we are overstocked in already.

Publicly slate his team over and over, with the latest barb being "dummies could score against us."

Isolate our best player and simply not play him even when its calling out for him.

or,

lead us to one of the worst away records in the league. (moyes being slaughtered for the defeats with other top teams just one behind us)

and most specatcularly of all, imagine what people on here would say if David Moyes won us a game 3-2 and did not know that a 4th goal would top the group and avoid a potentially nightmare tie in the next round of the CL. Especially given his lack of cl experience people would have been calling for him to be sacked for sheer incompetence.

Weve got out problems there is no doubt and there is little compensation being "only slightly worse" than others. But people could do with a bit if balance when hammering moyes over every single bloody word in a press conference.
Good post :)
 
What I can't understand is what system Moyes is trying to get the team to play. I have absolutely no idea. I was there at Old Trafford when we played Everton..and honestly it seemd more like 11 players running around with no idea of what they were supposed to do. Huge holes all over the place and no cohesion..whether defense, midfield (where the biggest holes were) or attack...just no plan/creativity or anything. It was almost like they had never played together before. The thing is, is that they have played together many times before.

For me, changing all those backroom staff was the biggest error Moyes made. It just didn't make sense when you had lost probably the biggest influence there was at old Trafford in Ferguson. He should have hung on to some people who really knew these players and how to motivate them..
 

There´s a very different photo floating around, which I think might actually be true. I looked it up, and Fox Sports 3 are showing the Atletico game in Argentina...


 
Happy that he was at this game plus it means that something might be on in January and I'd say that's fantastic news.
 
Not sure but that looks like Martin Jol and Guus Hiddink behind them. I am not sure this pic is legit the other one might be though
It's certainly a legitimate story he was on the champions league sky sports programme sat in the crowd, he's made the special trip given we only played last night so something's afoot.

I have avoided this thread for ages now but it seems to have calmed to an audible roar, common sense prevails they say.
Moyes will not destroy this club, he will source and find us a midfield worthy of competing, Evertons bunch are taking apart the current Champions and had a happy time dismantling the current leaders last weekend. We've been riding on the back of past success playing teams almost beaten before stepping on the field, the Fergie fear factor being a well earned 10% more, now we have fallen into the trough of the wave but as a United fan I still think that winning formula is there and at the back of oppositions minds will be the embers of doubt that a good run could spark back into life.
So far it's been a baptism of fire but he's stood up well, taken the flack aimed at the players and himself and kept his council much better than ther opening months over excitement, I am not saying I expect us to push on and challenge for the title this year but just his demeanor and determination are worthy of showing confidence in him.
Anyone watching Arsenal tonight would have seen what a truly negative performance looks like and a huge indication why Wenger has won nothing recently, he looked tactically inept against Benitez and panicked by the coming weekends fixture, Moyes has shown a strange calm in searching for the best 11 and used the experienced players well in Europe. Hope springs eternal.
 
I really don't see what's the big deal about those comparisons to Chelsea and City. First of all, both are playing better than us and are in a better situation. Second, I have to say I've cared less and less about their results as the weeks have gone by. I don't expect us to finish ahead of those two. I'm only looking at United and trying to find positives. And they are few and far between.

Don't care what Pellegrini and Mourinho are doing. It's all about Moyes and it's not very good so far.
 
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