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Struggling is a relative concept, United struggling is NOW, Everton struggling is fighting relegation. I don't think Moyes will get us relegated, but he's only ever managed top 4 when everything has fallen into place for him. Things are not falling into place this season and top 4 should be the minimum requirement for us (actually I think top 3).

How many games do you think will be enough? 19? 30? a full season? What happens if we're too far from a CL place by then?

Well, it seems Moyes has got rid of most of the people who are used to the way Sir Alex was doing things, with Moyes and his collection of staff, I don't see how things are so different from other managers with their backroom teams at new clubs.

The best squad doesn't necessarily win the league, but they also shouldn't languish in 9th. The mental side of the game has everything to do with the manager, so the buck has to stop with him.


So let me get this straight. You're still not convinced what Moyes did at Everton? Well, he took a team which finished between 14-17 for 3/4/5 odd seasons (can't remember exactly) in a row to a team that, bar one season, was consistently in the top 8. He did this on a very small budget. Not for one second am I saying this should transpire into him being a great United manager, because I understand that United and Everton are a completely different proposition. But to say he didn't do well at Everton is frankly absurd.

I think at a minimum, he deserves at least a full season, if not more. He also deserves a few more transfer windows to make an effort to mend this team (probably summer and January is reasonable). For me, if we miss out top 4, it's not as big a deal as some make out BUT, and I stress "BUT" before you jump on me before the end of the season I would expect to see a general improvement in our performance level. It is not satisfactory to finish far off top 4 without putting up a fight to get there. In that case, we then strongly consider replacing him. However if we fought hard, improve our form, and just miss out by the skin of our teeth, then maybe he deserves another season. Also, I guess the cup competitions have a factor.

I find it interesting that in the Champions League, where there is less expectation, less pressure, we've been performing much better. To me, that says it isn't just Moyes who is struggling. To me, it shows the players are also feeling the heat in the PL at the moment. We need to string together some results. Also, I find it interesting how we perform better away from home. We've lost points to respectable teams away - City, Liverpool, and Spurs. The lost points against Cardiff was unfortunate. At home however, we've dropped points to all kinds of teams. Everton, Newcastle, West Brom, etc... Again to me this suggests playing at home they are feeling the pressure and the lack of confidence. The point is, your being overly simplistic saying Moyes is to blame. Yes he is largely to blame, he has made mistakes, and he should do better, but you're going down a slipperly slope if you start to think sacking Moyes will solve our problems, because the wouldn't. We have much deeper problems.

As I said, if you're not able to fathom the difference in taking over the United job to another job, then there is no point.

As for your comment about our squad, firstly it is not the best at all, and you're wearing tinted glasses if that's how you feel. And yes, the manager is ultimately responsible for the things that happen in his team, including the mental side. But again, if you think sacking Moyes will be a magic fix, you're again wrong.

Anyway, let's leave it there because you've an agenda against Moyes and refuse to look at things objectively.
 
The fact that we thumped Bayer Leverkusen on their own turf in a game they needed to win to progress and we did it with some real style shows that there is a possibility Moyes might find his way. Bayer Leverkusen are not some shit team in a shit league btw.
Everybody is analysing things to the nth degree when looking for reasons as to why Moyes isnt good enough for us or why Moyes is failing but its funny how the Bayer Leverkusen performance is neatly swept under the carpet. People seem more intent on looking for reasons to give up on Moyes but have no desire to look for signs there might be a positive outcome. We are only 15 games in to his Utd career and there has been more bad than good but in among the bad there are some very good things which have been conveniently ignored.
 
http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/manchesterunited/id/3657?cc=3436

Andy Mitten

Trouble as Man Utd’s players struggle to adapt to life under Moyes

If you asked Manchester United’s first team players to name the most talented footballer at the club, one name would triumph: Robin van Persie.

Heads rose when the Dutch international walked into the first team dressing room at the training ground in the summer of 2012. Top players like to be playing with even better players, and van Persie didn't disappoint with the form which followed, scoring 30 goals in his first season.

“I saw the nodding heads and looks of approval from every player,” former goalkeeping coach Eric Steele said. “Even if they said nothing, their body language said it all. This wasn't a player being promoted from the youth ranks, nor someone few had heard of. This was a bona-fide, top-class forward at the peak of his career and United had signed him from a huge club. Robin’s arrival lifted everybody because he’s a fantastic player.”

Sir Alex Ferguson had sold the United dream to van Persie and the club were highly confident that he wanted to join, despite more money being offered by other clubs, including Manchester City.

The player wanted to win trophies and to play for Ferguson, a manager who couldn't stop winning the trophies that had dried up for Arsenal. Van Persie didn't want to spend his time doing “commercial.” That is, working with many of United’s business partners to promote their products. Nor did he want to do media. He’d become sick of the sound of his own voice at Arsenal, where he told journalists that there was no reason why the club couldn't win the league ad nauseam.

Van Persie wanted to let his football do the talking, which he did with great effect as United won a 20th league title. With that in the bag and the Dutch star anticipating more silverware, Ferguson dropped his bombshell. As he told them he was leaving, Ferguson said, “I hope I haven’t let some of you down, because you may have joined thinking that I would stay.”

This is what he’d led van Persie and Shinji Kagawa to believe when they’d joined the club nine months previously.

“That was correct at the point I said it,” Ferguson stated.

The players were shocked by the announcement. Many had only known life under him. The day of his retirement announcement, the squad went to Chester Racecourse for their annual end-of-season day out and spoke about Ferguson’s replacement. They wouldn't be making the decision, but David Moyes was not the first choice, yet by midafternoon it was clear to the players that the then-Everton manager would be their new boss.

There was uncertainty about their future, though more for the coaches they had worked with than themselves. That proved to be right: Steele, Mike Phelan and Rene Meulensteen would be replaced by men Moyes brought in from Everton.

The players disappeared on holiday and looked forward to the season ahead. Officially, David Moyes would start his new job on July 1.

While United’s newly appointed executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward said that the title winners needed “little retooling,” Moyes told friends that he had a huge task at Old Trafford, the implication being that a major reworking was in order. He was awarded a six-year contract to undertake that.

The manager continues to maintain that position. There are people within the club who would agree with him, even people who worked with Ferguson who will claim the current slump “has been coming for two years.”

They feel that it was a miracle the team won the league last season, but was it? The squad was stocked with top-class players who not only claimed the title by 11 points, but also could count themselves unlucky not to beat Real Madrid in the Champions League.

After a difficult first five monts in charge, Moyes has much to ponder.
Before he started his job, Moyes spoke informally with senior players about the future. After taking the hot seat, he wanted to study the squad he inherited rather than rush into making several new signings.

For their part, the players adapted to the new regime of double training sessions in preseason and, publicly, spoke positively about the future. They were convinced that United would return the title.

When I spoke to Rio Ferdinand about it in Japan in July, he said, “Chelsea and [Manchester] City, I don’t see anyone else challenging us for the title. Tottenham and Arsenal might have a little push, but I can’t see anyone breaking into that top three.”

Those comments were made before Arsenal signed Mesut Ozil and United only signed Marouane Fellaini at the end of the last transfer window, but the league has not shaped up in the way United expected. After 15 games, the club that have not finished outside the top three since 1991 are ninth, having already lost five games, the same number as in the whole of last season. The goal difference is just plus three.

Things have not gone to plan for Moyes, the club or van Persie. There were rumours that he’d handed a transfer request in last week. He hasn't (did Wayne Rooney?), but there’s much room for improvement in the relationship between the Dutch striker and his new boss.

Rivals know this, though links to Barcelona are nothing more than speculative at present. Not that United will or need to sell one of their few world-class players. Instead, they want to buy them and have money to spend.

There have been positives for United, such as the European form, the emergence of Adnan Januzaj, yet the league table doesn't lie. Many fans, who have gorged on sustained success, have never known anything like it.

Opinions are divided. In a poll on the website of the United We Stand fanzine, 27 percent said that Moyes was the right man for the job and that the club should stick by him, 47 percent said they were not sure and that he should be judged at the end of the first season, while 25 percent said the club should get rid of their new manager now.

United fans have been supportive of Moyes in matches, but supporters of other clubs and many in the British media are enjoying the struggles after years of dominance. It’s now the norm for visiting fans at Old Trafford to sing “Sacked in the Morning” to the manager. However, he won’t be sacked and will be given time to build his United.

The longevity is unusual: no manager at a top club in Europe gets time to build their team. They inherit sides and coach them. New signings are chosen by sporting directors. At Old Trafford, Moyes has all the power for, as the banner on the Stretford End denotes, he’s "The Chosen One." Chosen by Ferguson, no less, yet he’s still to earn the respect and the trust of the fans who support him. Expectations, not unreasonably, are high.

Confidence has dropped among the players who have faced all eight teams above them, only managing to beat one. That can have a debilitating effect and Moyes must lift his team. He’s under immense pressure to get his side playing in the league, to shut games out, and to add another dimension and fluidity to their play.

He has some excellent footballers at his disposal, but those players need to interpret his tactics and way of thinking. He and his coaches spend a lot of time discussing tactics at the training ground each morning, but their methods have yet to consistently translate to the lush fields outside, let alone the stadiums in which Manchester United play.
 
The article hardly says that though...

Strange article from Andy - he knows more but not letting on.

It wouldnt be unusual for some players to struggle to adapt to a new manager - it happens everywhere. Where there is a problem is if its a majority.

Football dressing rooms are run by the alpha males - there will be strong characters in there who will define the dynamic of what goes on. Anyone who has played in a team game to a decent level will know exactly what im talking about. If they are unhappy with Moyes and choose to let that be known, the others will fall in line....and thats where we could have problems.

Of course, we dont know if thats the case at Utd. I think we can all agree that all is not well....performances tell you that.

PS. Did you see the stats that Nev/Carra discussed last night? Dear god......
 
http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/manchesterunited/id/3657?cc=3436

Andy Mitten

Trouble as Man Utd’s players struggle to adapt to life under Moyes

Its clear that Andy Mitten is spinning a bit e.g. Moyes told people he had an overhaul to carry out but then when he arrived decided to assess the squad. Both things cant be true.

The question I have is who is Andy telling tales for? He seemed to have got quite chummy with Woodward when he interviewed him, giving him a glowing report despite the club's laughable failure in the transfer market last summer. I think the regime has got to him.

Shame always thought Mitten was worth reading.
 
Strange article from Andy - he knows more but not letting on.

He keeps mentioning how the players think RVP is the best player in the team which makes me think like you do: that there's more going on than he's letting on. Can't help but think it's dressing room problems. If it's true that van Persie has issues with Moyes, and if the players hold van Persie in high esteem, they could end up siding with RVP should it come to a confrontation.
 
You could draw worrying parallels with AVB's time at Chelsea if what that article hints at is accurate. Of course in that case is widely assumed that Abramovich wouldn't have minded a little shake-up of the old guard, whereas in United's case it is highly unlikely that such tacit approval exists.

No means through figures of the old regime by which to allay concerns amid these choppy waters, senior players believed to be unhappy for varying reasons, criticism of the squad in public, such do not make for unity in difficult times.
 
I'd be fine with a shake-up. But we've not had that. We've had someone who I think has wanted to change as little as possible where he should perhaps look to put his own stamp on things in team selection and formation - and huge changes where they probably shouldn't have been made in terms of whole sale changes to the coaching staff.

It seems to be both bold and at the same time timid. He cleared practically the whole senior coaching staff yet whenever we play it's like a poor imitation of Ferguson's united. The style of play may be different but I think that's more of an accident of confidence rather than design. The set up is similar from the outset. I'd love him to just put his own stamp on the team rather than try to emulate something he's clearly showing he can't
 
an awful lot of assumption based on very little actual evidence going on.


It's funny how people only say this when they don't want to believe what's going on but 100% of the time are happy to let those 'standards' slip when they do.

Fascinating how wanting to believe something or not makes the difference between "no smoke without fire" and "it's all bullshit"
 
We'll be trimming our squad soon. We need to get good players in, some potentially world class players as well, huge amounts of money will have to spent and I think it will be. I won't be comfortable with Moyes spending that kind of money based on the evidence so far, but then, if the Glazers don't give him the money to change the team according to what he deems fit, then he shouldn't have been employed in the first place. Interesting month ahead.
 
He keeps mentioning how the players think RVP is the best player in the team which makes me think like you do: that there's more going on than he's letting on. Can't help but think it's dressing room problems. If it's true that van Persie has issues with Moyes, and if the players hold van Persie in high esteem, they could end up siding with RVP should it come to a confrontation.

Correct. Something going down - suspect its over the training.

Someone also had some interesting observations on the pre-match warm up and the differences in what we are doing. Cant remember if that was on here? Seemingly, strikers used to practice from crosses into the box? Match going red says thats not happened under Moyes either. Now, ok in isolation but you then wonder why not considering much of Moyes play has been around crosses into the box. Also, Nev made the point last night that the crossing has been poor.
 
The way he talks about RVP to begin with seems incongruous. He's seemingly building up to suggesting something which he never outright suggests. Which is, er, suggestive. Or just badly written.

But you don't have to be uncommonly paranoid to read something into the last part: Has good players, but do they understand him? Hints at disgruntled playing staff? Methods not suiting 'em? I don't know - maybe Mitten's just hacking away here. He does seem to write quite a bit these days that can't be classified as ITK material.
 
Strange article from Andy - he knows more but not letting on.

It wouldnt be unusual for some players to struggle to adapt to a new manager - it happens everywhere. Where there is a problem is if its a majority.

Football dressing rooms are run by the alpha males - there will be strong characters in there who will define the dynamic of what goes on. Anyone who has played in a team game to a decent level will know exactly what im talking about. If they are unhappy with Moyes and choose to let that be known, the others will fall in line....and thats where we could have problems.

Of course, we dont know if thats the case at Utd. I think we can all agree that all is not well....performances tell you that.

PS. Did you see the stats that Nev/Carra discussed last night? Dear god......


Yeah - I watched the video on one of the threads (maybe this one?) earlier today.

It makes horrible, horrible reading. I can kind of understand it though;

1) Carrick wasn't playing. 2 points from 4 games shows how important he is for this team alone. He's the only one who can play a pass from deep through lines up to the top. It's no surprise with Cleverley and Jones that we just passed it sideways. Even Giggs and Jones would do a better job, as at least Giggs tries to go forward. In Cleverley and Jones you have no one who can make that final key killer pass. Just two players who can tick it along. I really am starting to lose patience with Cleverley. At least with Jones you can argue he does a bloody solid job protecting our defense at least most of the time.

2) No Rooney. There is such a big gap between our MF and Attack, and without Carrick and Rooney the gap just looks bigger and bigger. No one to make the pass, no one to collect it up top. RVP can play deeper than the top man, but he is nowhere near Rooney's level to play it to be honest. Especially the way Rooney has been playing.

3) Tactics? I don't know what Moyes is doing to rectify this (although nothing would appear to be the answer), but even then, I'm not convinced. I find it hard to believe that Moyes tells the players to not play thorugh th emiddle or pass; just play it to the wings and cross. I have a feeling that because our CM's are so incompetent right now, they are forced to playit wide. And out of frustration, they just smash it into the box as no one in the middle does anything.

I think the performance is also due to a lack of confidence. Moyes needs to fix it fast.

In any case, the responsibility for all of this lies with Moyes. He needs to do something about it ASAP. Tonight is the most perfect night. There is no pressure; the team is qualified. We've done better than expected in the CL. Hopefully this should give a freedom to the players. I expect a better performance today. So far I attribute the issues to Moyes mistakes, lack of confidence and belief, "bedding in" period. But if we play without anything tonight, I would really begin to worry there is even deeper issues than that.
 
Correct. Something going down - suspect its over the training.

Someone also had some interesting observations on the pre-match warm up and the differences in what we are doing. Cant remember if that was on here? Seemingly, strikers used to practice from crosses into the box? Match going red says thats not happened under Moyes either. Now, ok in isolation but you then wonder why not considering much of Moyes play has been around crosses into the box. Also, Nev made the point last night that the crossing has been poor.


Maybe links to what I posted just now; that maybe it isn't a clear direction that he wants the team to play it wide and cross it. It could be that our team has such a lack of ability in the middle of the park, they pass it sideways and backwards. If your CM's pass it sideways only, they effectively act as a wall down the middle. And with players like Valencia, if they get the ball they only know one thing that is to go down the wing and cross. He isn't going to cut in side, play quick one touch moves with Rooney to get in without scoring. We do see a lot more of this on the other side though, because Evra is more comfortable building up play without simply crossing, and our left wingers like to roam more in Nani and Januzaj.

I can understand why someone wouldn't see it like me, and I could well be wrong. I just think if Moyes' strategy was inherently to run down the wing and cross, he would have put Januzaj on the right and Nani on the left against Newcastle.
 
At least he's manning up & taking responsibility, which, for me, is a positive step.

Did he say something like we'll try to top the group or something, he should be saying it is our aim to top the group, it's sends a more positive message.

To be fair to Moyes, this should be held up as a move in the right direction.
 
Regarding being patient with a manager, it's completely relative to performance and ongoing evaluation of potential. If a manager takes charge of barca and leads them to a relegation dog fight with a determination in their style of play and no ideas, should be "patient" just for the sake of it?
 
What? Him taking responsibility?!

Relatively speaking, yes. We can all see the problem is our players are lacking confidence. To a large extent I blame Moyes' cautiousness, talking down the team and excuse making for that but at least now he seems like he's trying to protect the players instead of further undermining their morale.

It is progress. From a low base yes but, it is progress.
 
So let me get this straight. You're still not convinced what Moyes did at Everton? Well, he took a team which finished between 14-17 for 3/4/5 odd seasons (can't remember exactly) in a row to a team that, bar one season, was consistently in the top 8. He did this on a very small budget. Not for one second am I saying this should transpire into him being a great United manager, because I understand that United and Everton are a completely different proposition. But to say he didn't do well at Everton is frankly absurd.

I think at a minimum, he deserves at least a full season, if not more. He also deserves a few more transfer windows to make an effort to mend this team (probably summer and January is reasonable). For me, if we miss out top 4, it's not as big a deal as some make out BUT, and I stress "BUT" before you jump on me before the end of the season I would expect to see a general improvement in our performance level. It is not satisfactory to finish far off top 4 without putting up a fight to get there. In that case, we then strongly consider replacing him. However if we fought hard, improve our form, and just miss out by the skin of our teeth, then maybe he deserves another season. Also, I guess the cup competitions have a factor.

I find it interesting that in the Champions League, where there is less expectation, less pressure, we've been performing much better. To me, that says it isn't just Moyes who is struggling. To me, it shows the players are also feeling the heat in the PL at the moment. We need to string together some results. Also, I find it interesting how we perform better away from home. We've lost points to respectable teams away - City, Liverpool, and Spurs. The lost points against Cardiff was unfortunate. At home however, we've dropped points to all kinds of teams. Everton, Newcastle, West Brom, etc... Again to me this suggests playing at home they are feeling the pressure and the lack of confidence. The point is, your being overly simplistic saying Moyes is to blame. Yes he is largely to blame, he has made mistakes, and he should do better, but you're going down a slipperly slope if you start to think sacking Moyes will solve our problems, because the wouldn't. We have much deeper problems.

As I said, if you're not able to fathom the difference in taking over the United job to another job, then there is no point.

As for your comment about our squad, firstly it is not the best at all, and you're wearing tinted glasses if that's how you feel. And yes, the manager is ultimately responsible for the things that happen in his team, including the mental side. But again, if you think sacking Moyes will be a magic fix, you're again wrong.

Anyway, let's leave it there because you've an agenda against Moyes and refuse to look at things objectively.
Was what Moyes did at Everton really that impressive though? Is getting a massively under performing team to finish perpetually where there wage bill would put them in the League really that impressive, whilst at the same time winning nothing? Harry Redknapp did more than that at Tottenham (and actually qualified for the CL and got to a QF) and had previous pedigree of winning an FA Cup under Portsmouth. Did Moyes do anything that Brendan Rodgers, Pardew or Lambert aren't currently doing at Liverpool, Newcastle or Aston Villa (albeit for much longer)? Moyes performance at Everton was decent, but I don't think anyone could say he did brilliantly. This is why I was absolutely stunned at his appointment and would have put Redknapp above him on my list (but still way down).

He definitely deserves a full season if we can start to see things improving. If however he continues to win less than 1.5 points per game and the Football continues to be awful, then all bets are off. If with 10 games to go for instance we are 10 points off a Champions League place, with no sign of improvement I think there'd be a decision to be made.
 
Relatively speaking, yes. We can all see the problem is our players are lacking confidence. To a large extent I blame Moyes' cautiousness, talking down the team and excuse making for that but at least now he seems like he's trying to protect the players instead of further undermining their morale.

It is progress. From a low base yes but, it is progress.
Personally, it's not the kind of progress I'm looking to see. Let's see the team start understanding how to pass the ball well and play with a bit of technique involved. Those are the things I want to see.
 
Was what Moyes did at Everton really that impressive though? Is getting a massively under performing team to finish perpetually where there wage bill would put them in the League really that impressive, whilst at the same time winning nothing? Harry Redknapp did more than that at Tottenham (and actually qualified for the CL and got to a QF) and had previous pedigree of winning an FA Cup under Portsmouth. Did Moyes do anything that Brendan Rodgers, Pardew or Lambert aren't currently doing at Liverpool, Newcastle or Aston Villa (albeit for much longer)? Moyes performance at Everton was decent, but I don't think anyone could say he did brilliantly. This is why I was absolutely stunned at his appointment and would have put Redknapp above him on my list (but still way down).

He definitely deserves a full season if we can start to see things improving. If however he continues to win less than 1.5 points per game and the Football continues to be awful, then all bets are off. If with 10 games to go for instance we are 10 points off a Champions League place, with no sign of improvement I think there'd be a decision to be made.


More or less, the bit about Redknapp spoilt it though.
 
Personally, it's not the kind of progress I'm looking to see. Let's see the team start understanding how to pass the ball well and play with a bit of technique involved. Those are the things I want to see.

If the confidence returns they will start playing well. Moyes seems to get that now and seems to be taking steps to stop making daft statements that would undermine their morale and self-belief. I'm not saying we should be unfurling a banner and having a party about it but we can at least breathe a sigh of relief that some visible, positive change is happening.
 
If the confidence returns they will start playing well. Moyes seems to get that now and seems to be taking steps to stop making daft statements that would undermine their morale and self-belief. I'm not saying we should be unfurling a banner and having a party about it but we can at least breathe a sigh of relief that some visible, positive change is happening.
What visible changes? Soundbytes to the media? On the pitch, where it matters, the signs have been getting worse and worse with every performance followed by a shittier version of itself.

Confidence is important, yes. Particularly to get results. But I want to see the football aspect improve. The movement, the ability to deal with tight spaces etc. In fact, there's no better way for players to stay confident than by expressing themselves fully on the football pitch.
 
He needs to get rid of the players who don't want to give their all for him. Remember these are fergies players, they might be feeling sorry for themselves over his retirement. The best thing moyes could do is bring in players who want to play for him and clear those who don't seem to want to. Of our current players I've only seen Rooney, jones, smalling , de gea and Rafael putting in some effort in games. Every one else are feeling sorry for themselves.

First to go should be evra, rio, ando, young and nani.
 
What visible changes? Soundbytes to the media? On the pitch, where it matters, the signs have been getting worse and worse with every performance followed by a shittier version of itself.

Confidence is important, yes. Particularly to get results. But I want to see the football aspect improve. The movement, the ability to deal with tight spaces etc. In fact, there's no better way for players to stay confident than by expressing themselves fully on the football pitch.

Mate, I'm clutching at any sign that things will get better. Stop reminding me of the reality. Its two weeks until Christmas and we are in ninth place, seven points off a Champions League spot and losing to sides we routinely slaughter. I need something to cling onto to give me hope things will turn around and avoid facing up to reality. Do not take this away from me.
 
Mate, I'm clutching at any sign that things will get better. Stop reminding me of the reality. Its two weeks until Christmas and we are in ninth place, seven points off a Champions League spot and losing to sides we routinely slaughter. I need something to cling onto to give me hope things will turn around and avoid facing up to reality. Do not take this away from me.
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I'll give you two positives. He's acknowledged the need to improve the midfield in the summer, and now acknowledges that our passing, chance creation etc isn't good enough. That's good I guess given often people complained about those things but fergie looked like he wasn't bothered about them (barring chance creation).
 
Yes he is.

Prior to his appointment at United Moyes never struck me as somebody who shirked their responsibility, however in the months which have followed he has tried to shift it elsewhere and with damaging consequences to morale IMO.

Yesterday the headlines were of how the manager felt that the players needed to improve in nearly every area, is that helpful? Whether founded in truth or not United's figurehead shouldn't be spouting off about it every week, never mind that for these flaws to be so prolonged reflects on the coaching/tactics. The lads must be well aware of the team's plight and certainly he is airing his views behind closed doors, leave it at that. If he must speak, damn well be positive

Let the journo's say what they will, no need to feed them material.

I hope that he approaches Sir Alex for advice even if it only be about coping with the pressure and motivational matters.
 
Prior to his appointment at United Moyes never struck me as somebody who shirked their responsibility, however in the months which have followed he has tried to shift it elsewhere and with damaging consequences to morale IMO.

Yesterday the headlines were of how the manager felt that the players needed to improve in nearly every area, is that helpful? Whether founded in truth or not United's figurehead shouldn't be spouting off about it every week, never mind that for these flaws to be so prolonged reflects on the coaching/tactics. The lads must be well aware of the team's plight and certainly he is airing his views behind closed doors, leave it at that. If he must speak, damn well be positive

Let the journo's say what they will, no need to feed them material.

I hope that he approaches Sir Alex for advice even if it only be about coping with the pressure and motivational matters.
To be fair he did take responsibility for our recent failings.
 
Prior to his appointment at United Moyes never struck me as somebody who shirked their responsibility, however in the months which have followed he has tried to shift it elsewhere and with damaging consequences to morale IMO.

Yesterday the headlines were of how the manager felt that the players needed to improve in nearly every area, is that helpful? Whether founded in truth or not United's figurehead shouldn't be spouting off about it every week, never mind that for these flaws to be so prolonged reflects on the coaching/tactics. The lads must be well aware of the team's plight and certainly he is airing his views behind closed doors, leave it at that. If he must speak, damn well be positive

Let the journo's say what they will, no need to feed them material.

I hope that he approaches Sir Alex for advice even if it only be about coping with the pressure and motivational matters.




"It's important to give ourselves the best possible chance in the next round, but the big job was to make sure we qualified from the group and that part is done. Hopefully we can finish off the group unbeaten and that'll see us through.
"We've been inconsistent at times - we've played very well in the Champions League, not so well in the Premier League games, albeit we've lacked a bit of good fortune in some of the games, which would have made a difference.
"It's tough because the expectation is to win all the games. I think there's a bit of everything. We'd like to generally play better, we'd like to pass it better, create more chances, defend better when those moments arise. So I think its all around we'd like to improve.
"I take complete responsibility for the results and fortunately they've been good in the Champions League but they've not been good in the Premier League.
"Yes the players are hurting because they are used to winning. They care very much about their team, their club, and they are good lads and they'll respond in the right way, there's no doubt about that."



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I don't like the first bit in bold, he should be saying we aim to finish unbeaten, not hopefully, that is too negative.

The second bit is, however, more positive, he's the boss & the buck stops with him, it is his job to motivate the players
 
Does it really matter what he says? Especially to the press? Given that he's obliged to be diplomatic, and sometimes, evasive? This continuous word-by-word analysis belies the notion that people are trying to give him a fair chance.
 
"Yes the players are hurting because they are used to winning. They care very much about their team, their club, and they are good lads and they'll respond in the right way, there's no doubt about that."

He really is Fergie's puppet. :smirk:
 
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