RoadTrip
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Struggling is a relative concept, United struggling is NOW, Everton struggling is fighting relegation. I don't think Moyes will get us relegated, but he's only ever managed top 4 when everything has fallen into place for him. Things are not falling into place this season and top 4 should be the minimum requirement for us (actually I think top 3).
How many games do you think will be enough? 19? 30? a full season? What happens if we're too far from a CL place by then?
Well, it seems Moyes has got rid of most of the people who are used to the way Sir Alex was doing things, with Moyes and his collection of staff, I don't see how things are so different from other managers with their backroom teams at new clubs.
The best squad doesn't necessarily win the league, but they also shouldn't languish in 9th. The mental side of the game has everything to do with the manager, so the buck has to stop with him.
So let me get this straight. You're still not convinced what Moyes did at Everton? Well, he took a team which finished between 14-17 for 3/4/5 odd seasons (can't remember exactly) in a row to a team that, bar one season, was consistently in the top 8. He did this on a very small budget. Not for one second am I saying this should transpire into him being a great United manager, because I understand that United and Everton are a completely different proposition. But to say he didn't do well at Everton is frankly absurd.
I think at a minimum, he deserves at least a full season, if not more. He also deserves a few more transfer windows to make an effort to mend this team (probably summer and January is reasonable). For me, if we miss out top 4, it's not as big a deal as some make out BUT, and I stress "BUT" before you jump on me before the end of the season I would expect to see a general improvement in our performance level. It is not satisfactory to finish far off top 4 without putting up a fight to get there. In that case, we then strongly consider replacing him. However if we fought hard, improve our form, and just miss out by the skin of our teeth, then maybe he deserves another season. Also, I guess the cup competitions have a factor.
I find it interesting that in the Champions League, where there is less expectation, less pressure, we've been performing much better. To me, that says it isn't just Moyes who is struggling. To me, it shows the players are also feeling the heat in the PL at the moment. We need to string together some results. Also, I find it interesting how we perform better away from home. We've lost points to respectable teams away - City, Liverpool, and Spurs. The lost points against Cardiff was unfortunate. At home however, we've dropped points to all kinds of teams. Everton, Newcastle, West Brom, etc... Again to me this suggests playing at home they are feeling the pressure and the lack of confidence. The point is, your being overly simplistic saying Moyes is to blame. Yes he is largely to blame, he has made mistakes, and he should do better, but you're going down a slipperly slope if you start to think sacking Moyes will solve our problems, because the wouldn't. We have much deeper problems.
As I said, if you're not able to fathom the difference in taking over the United job to another job, then there is no point.
As for your comment about our squad, firstly it is not the best at all, and you're wearing tinted glasses if that's how you feel. And yes, the manager is ultimately responsible for the things that happen in his team, including the mental side. But again, if you think sacking Moyes will be a magic fix, you're again wrong.
Anyway, let's leave it there because you've an agenda against Moyes and refuse to look at things objectively.