Moyes So Far!
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The results have been worse, but I don't think we've probably played that much worse then last season early on. Injuries to key players and the constant rotation (which is maybe where there is a valid criticism of Moyes) hasn't helped but it's the players missing good chances and making individual errors on the pitch.
He even picked a side most would agree was attacking and they played pretty well up to the Newcastle goal, they just lacked the goal they merited. The main disappointment today was the response the the goal, we failed to wrest control of the game and put them under severe pressure that would have happened in the past. We seem to lack a bit of character on the pitch at the moment.
Denial about what?
Ignore them, moneymay. You add a lot to this place with the pictures you post. It's easier to post daft and unfunny attempt at mocking something than to try and conjure up a meaningful contribution to discussions.
What's likely to happen if you employ a mid-table manager and let him bring in mid-table players and staff.
Funny thing is, the second one isn't my picture.
I'm more concerned that an Admin isn't allowed to have an opinion. We're on a forum after all.
But what happens right after that? They don't really show anything of value unless you show a sequence of shots.
Is he rotating the squad because he is not used to handling this many players, or is he doing it to give them all a chance and have a look at everybody? If the latter, some have not done their chances of a United future any favours.
I was pulling your leg mate. I do still think you are unfair to blame our reliance on wing play on Moyes though.
He brought in one player who was linked to other top 4 teams before us.
What's the difference between this, and being 'anti-Moyes'?
That's true, there are some who have gone off the deep end in their criticisms, but i feel like they are largely in the minority and somewhat counterbalance those who seemingly support him irrespective of results. The majority who are critical seem well grounded in the reality of the drop in performance from Fergie to Moyes, with largely the same group of players.
If Moyes fails the whole club fails, not sure why you'd think certain posters are rubbing their hands at glee watching us descend to midtable mediocrity.
An overwhelming majority of posters gave Moyes their backing even if he wasn't their first, second or even third choice (I certainly sit in that camp), though its hard to defend him when he seems to have lost the changing room as well as breaking all sorts of negative records. If his interviews are anything to go by his attitude is the anti-thesis of a winning mentality.
Blindly defending him at this stage reeks of 'top red' hipster bollocks.
Fair enough mate.
Like I said, I'm with Moyes. I just think we should try more down the middle.
Yeah, thankfully he failed in his attempts to bring in another mid-table player from his former club.
Would any other top club have signed Fellaini (for £27.5m)? No. Would any other top club have employed Moyes? No. They had a decade to hire him, and they didn't.
Agreed.
While I do appreciate that we aren't like 'other clubs' and we want to give the manager time, we have to remember that Fergie was a one off and we will never see the likes of him again. To give him time, would mean he would have some sort of potential, and if Moyes can't motivate a team that's won the league to a top 4 spot at the very least, and taking into account he's wasted 30 million on someone who can't even get a game (because he's got a wrist injury?!), then questions really do have to be asked if he should be given any time at all.
'anti-Moyes' seem to take pride and joy in any failures of the team. Whether we win, lose or draw, they will always find at least an obscure way to have a crack at the manager.
They really don't.
I'm sorry if i don't conform to the general accepted position of doom and gloom and entitlement on here. I like to stay optimistic rather then making things up and constantly moaning about things you don't have much idea about. I don't know how people can watch us if it apparently upsets them so much.
After the changes on football forum that we can't talk about the inferior leagues, now we should change the rules that we can't talk anything negative about Moyes.
Thinking that he will fail and hoping that he'll fail are two completely different things.
Only after a few months Liverpool fans knew that Hodgson will fail, they didn't hope however that he'll fail. I'll bet that they would have been happy if they would have won the league with Hodgson.
If we had hired Big Sam I would have liked to win the treble. However I would have expected us to fight relegation. This isn't hoping that he'll fail, it is being realistic.
Exactly, nobody wants the club to fail. We want Moyes to do well, it just isn't happening at the minute.
I guess injuries, having a look at players, and trying to find the right mix to play the way he wants them too. Agreed re some of the players, going to be a bit of an overdue exodus I think.
No difference - I said this brand of anti-Moyes posters. As opposed to a more rational brand of anti-Moyes posters. Some people feel he isn't right for the job - others seem to positively loathe everything about him. There's a difference (there).
Fair enough. I'll admit to being one of those. I was so vehemently opposed to his appointment that there is a really bittersweet (more bitter than sweet) feeling at seeing things play out like I expected.
Yup. I find it mildly amusing eveytime a United fan says that another United fan wants the manager to fail, thereby wanting his own team to fail.
No one cares about whether you're positive or negative. Use of images is a clearly a great way to illustrate the positions players take up.
We have had a lot of injuries, yet again, what is it about United and injuries. I just wish we could work out what the style of play is. Maybe that is the players problem as well.
Well to be fair he inherited a squad that walked the league. Kept all players with 2 coming up - Fellaini and Zaha, yes the latter isn't his choice but he has hardly given him a chance regardless of how many wank performances Young gave during those 6 months and on paper strengthened the team in the one position we were lacking - CM.
Granted Fellaini is not the solution and everybody knows it, even Moyes knows it hence not being an automatic starter, but then why bringing him in at the first place?
The result - from 1st walking the league to 9th in mid December.
Another thing - yes he's in a new team. Yes he never managed a top club, but unlike Pellegrini he was a manager in a top half club for 11 years. He should know the league inside and out. This is one of the reasons to be brought in the first place.
no need for screenshots, we all know we play like the walking dead
I've no doubt Moyes sees it and it must be baffling for him.
It seems to me players have embraced this "difficult transition period" and are determined to do it justice. After we lost on GD to City they had to make up for it and through sheer force of will most of the time they did that last year. But we weren't playing much better than we are now. It's just they wanted it badly, SAF wanted it badly and the players gave their all.
Now it's time for transition. Who cares that it might cost the new guy his job, they won the title last season. Time for rest.
I've no doubt Moyes sees it and it must be baffling for him.
It seems to me players have embraced this "difficult transition period" and are determined to do it justice. After we lost on GD to City they had to make up for it and through sheer force of will most of the time they did that last year. But we weren't playing much better than we are now. It's just they wanted it badly, SAF wanted it badly and the players gave their all.
Now it's time for transition. Who cares that it might cost the new guy his job, they won the title last season. Time for rest.
Since about 2007 I always knew David Moyes would eventually manage us. I've always been against it and I'm admittedly very 'anti-Moyes'. However I really want him to succeed and prove me wrong.
I hope others feel the same.
I hope others feel the same.
What are you on about?
No fan takes joy in the failure of the team otherwise they wouldn't be a fan, what a bizarre thing to say. No one is 'anti-Moyes' either.
Here's one from a newb (Gladiator) on how Rooney and Welbeck don't offer themselves short, meaning Nani has to make more of an effort to find Rooney:
See, Welbeck apart (who's running away anyway), there is no one even close to Nani offering any sort of option. He basically has to do it all on his own, cos his teammates certainly aren't willing to help. Its always like this, no matter who's in possession. We never offer the man in possession some options.
Cheers for the image MoneyMay
It's not because you can select 1 which enforces your point, but there are 30 other similar ones that contradict it.
Your right, it is two different things. People like The Neviller thought he'd fail and he went crazy when Moyes was appointed. He still seems to get behind him or at least looks at things objectively.
Andrew has just seemingly admitted to being 'anti-Moyes', stating that he enjoys seeing us fail. Don't tell me that there's not people like that on here because it's fecking obvious.
I think the lack of signing the Fabregas type midfielder to dictate play centrally and would give the team more of an identity was the major failing of the summer.
You're not alone in that, trust me.
Incorrect.
Today was the most worrying to me. For a few reasons:
1. The players looked pissed at each other. Pointing at spaces, yelling, trying to tell others to offer options.
2. I have no idea what the game plan was. We had the ball for the first 60 minutes, basically, but what were we doing with it? Jones and Cleverley kept getting in each others way, as did RVP and the wide players. We looked like a pub team.
3. There was no pressure from us at the end. There was no belief or drive.
All of those things are down to Moyes. I'm the first to acknowledge the team he's left with isn't perfect, but today was a shambles from a management perspective. Moyes was tactically trumped by Alan f*cking Pardew.
1. The players looked pissed at each other. Pointing at spaces, yelling, trying to tell others to offer options.
2. I have no idea what the game plan was. We had the ball for the first 60 minutes, basically, but what were we doing with it? Jones and Cleverley kept getting in each others way, as did RVP and the wide players. We looked like a pub team.
3. There was no pressure from us at the end. There was no belief or drive.
All of those things are down to Moyes. I'm the first to acknowledge the team he's left with isn't perfect, but today was a shambles from a management perspective. Moyes was tactically trumped by Alan f*cking Pardew.
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