Board unanimously chose him? If you believe the majority of local fanzines, that's not true.
Moyes So Far!
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Board unanimously chose him? If you believe the majority of local fanzines, that's not true.
I think half of the problem for Moyes is that it wasn't an appointment that fans really wanted, we stick with it as he is our manager but I know he wasn't even on my short list to succeed Fergie. THe club decided they wanted to appoint someone long term which is fair and all well an good if someone of adequate skill is available. We should have given the job to the best candidate not just someone who will be around 10 years.
He has to go, just can't see us ever winning anything with him and wouldn't trust him with transfer money after the summer dealings
He has to go, just can't see us ever winning anything with him and wouldn't trust him with transfer money after the summer dealings
True. But the other teams last year were shit. They've all improved. We haven't. And key players have aged, while many younger players haven't come good.
Moyes stepped into an unwinnable situation. This is going to be a long road of repair.
Top red here.
Most fans lowered expectations to at least top three or four this season. Which should be achievable with our current squad. The problem is we not playing well and have terrible style of football at the moment. Also did WBA, Everton or Newcastle even play well to get a win at Old Trafford? No, I don't think so. We losing to teams that aren't even playing at their best too. Which is alarming.
I agree we need a balance but I think we're very similar to last season and that the majority of the difference would be due to no carrick and thus largely no one would can consistently put a good central ball through.
2 home defeats In a row, 9th in the league and potentially 15 points off Arsenal, and Moyes is saying we can still win the league! Incredible delusion. We've lost 5 games by mid December, you can sometimes be done for by losing 6 games all year!
I've definitely slipped a bit from, "give him time" to "itchy trigger finger".
Thi spell of 4 games coming up in the league are against supposed lower teams. Let's see how we sit after that.
Still sat 9th, after playing the likes of West Ham and Hull and I wonder if they will give Moyes a massive chest of money to lash around.
I've definitely slipped a bit from, "give him time" to "itchy trigger finger".
Thi spell of 4 games coming up in the league are against supposed lower teams. Let's see how we sit after that.
Still sat 9th, after playing the likes of West Ham and Hull and I wonder if they will give Moyes a massive chest of money to lash around.
If there's one picture that sums up Moyes' philosophy at the moment, it's probably this one. Rooney is on the ball... Everton playing a high defensive line - Welbeck makes the run in behind, but Rooney decides to pass it to the wings. It's almost like it's been programmed into their heads - "pass to the wings, pass to the wings, pass to the wings..."
How long have you been watching United? You should know that we've played this way for years and Rooney is one of the main culprits.
It's all well and good you posting a screen shot with an arrow pointing to what should have happened, but this isn't a game of Fifa. Rooney probably can't even see Welbeck there. He's not even facing him for fecks sake.
The people that believed that we'd just continue the way we were under SAF, were deluded. However, you're right, it's basically as bad as our rivals would have wished for when SAF announced his retirement. Nightmare stuff.
A massive chest in which to seal himself in and get someone to throw it off the nearest pier more like!
Cheers buddy.
Its actually become ridiculous, anytime someone has the ball in our half the rest of the team just all run away.
It will be intersting to see what happens in January. If there's a sense he's going to flop and not get a 2nd year, the owners may not be willing to allow him to spend in Jan.
For two months.
Don't be ridiculous and offer me that view. United play with too much intensity on wing play. And actually he does face him and turns back, so yeah.
Agreed re Carrick. I think Nani and Januzaj showed more wide then we've been getting recently too. The main concern is the errors and distribution from the back at the moment.
Well after our start to the season we thought we had a run of "easy" figures which started with a loss to West Brom at home.
If he even gets to January...
'appalled by our sudden decline' haha, I give up.
Edit: I can't ignore your shite because you're an Admin? Viva red cafe.
SAF is a member of the board of directors as is Sir Bobby, the two men responsible for picking Moyes in the first place, you really think after 5 defeats and 4 months into the league campaign that these two individuals are going to sanction anything that means we dont show 110% faith in Moyes?
I dont think that scenario will even come into the boards minds for at least 4-5 years, as Fergie said "they club showed faith with me when times were bad"..no matter how bad it gets this season, next season or the season after that, the board will not sack Moyes, so we just have to get behind him and hope he can turn it around because he isnt going anywhere for a long time
Best we can hope for is those Zaha / Lauren Moyes rumours are true and Big Dave attacks him at the training ground and he is sacked
Ignore Raoul, he's been spouting this shite since Moyes was appointed. He's one of them that's desperate to see him fail.
Here's one from a newb (Gladiator) on how Rooney and Welbeck don't offer themselves short, meaning Nani has to make more of an effort to find Rooney:
Up to the last international break we were having a perfectly acceptable transitional season. I didn't see anything at all to worry about. Since then, however...
I can't!!
Here's one from a newb (Gladiator) on how Rooney and Welbeck don't offer themselves short, meaning Nani has to make more of an effort to find Rooney:
Static screenshots with arrows are really insightful..
Why are people not able to understand the simple difference between someone's hopes and expectations. I hoped Moyes would be a success, but I've always expected him to be an utter failure.
That's something else to worry about. If things don't improve come January and we are so far out of the title hunt will the Board write off the season and hold off till the summer to bring in any new players?
I think he is right there. It does look like a decline, but I don't agree with his other criticism of Moyes like about his post match interview. Nobody expected us to be this bad, so there is something wrong clearly but I am of the opinion that Moyes needs to be given time to set it right and we should stop dissecting each and every word he says in media. Hopefully players will now realize that they have been awful till now and make efforts and contribute to pull us out of this rut. The responsibility lies with Moyes in the end, but players have lot to answer for after such lame displays.
He probably just doesn't rate Moyes. So far he's being proven right.
Hardly the CB's fault. Today was painful viewing eachtime Evans and Vidic had the ball and there was literally no option but a punt down field.
They are. You don't seem to offer as much to this place, sadly.
Not the point and you're acting really bitter today. Log out. Sam wants to see the lack of movement. Notice how Rooney's standing there, while Welbeck's also moving away from the ball. Like it or not, our team is static.
Yeah and we don't need to hear about it after every result - win, lose or draw. We've been hearing the same stuff since before a ball was even kicked. It must be awful not being able to get behind the manager of your own club.
Yup, we were 5th I think before we drew at Cardiff, which was totally acceptable and the mood around the place was definitely improving. With the nature of the league this season, I can see us getting back in with a shout for the top four spots if we win our remaining games in December, the only problem is that I can't see us doing that.
You won't see much movement in a screenshot, that's for sure!
Excellent.These are fair points. And this isn't RAWK. The fact that we have a very polarized debate going on at the moment over Moyes isn't a bad thing - it has yielded some good discussions and has certainly provided yours truly with some very decent entertainment.
But there are posters on here who are going far beyond what could be called scrutiny - far beyond harsh criticism, even. I think it's this brand of anti-Moyes posters who get on most pro-Moyes folk's tits, not those who are simply frustrated and skeptical of his managerial abilities.
Some people don't want to live in denial.
Very likely, if we are nowhere near even getting 4th place, why spend the money. They will need to have one hell of a good summer 2014 transfer window.
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