Why would he show anger in front of media? It is possible that he might have given bollocking to the players in private. Imagine the feast media will have if he targets players openly and then player react and so on.
Moyes So Far!
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Why would he show anger in front of media? It is possible that he might have given bollocking to the players in private. Imagine the feast media will have if he targets players openly and then player react and so on.
Can people stop reading into the post match interview?
I've no doubt he was very angry and was keeping his emptions in check. If he showed his anger half of you would be shouting that he had lost it. There are valid reasons to criticize Moyes but that interview is not one of them.
I've no doubt he was very angry and was keeping his emptions in check. If he showed his anger half of you would be shouting that he had lost it. There are valid reasons to criticize Moyes but that interview is not one of them.
What do you want him to do stomp his feet and demand a replay?
I'd hate to see any Utd manager slate his players in front of the press and to be honest, the day he does it is the day I'll believe he's on the way out.
A better reaction would have been to take responsibility for how staggeringly average we've been. We were quite good with our last manager this time last year with virtually the same group of players. I feel most fans would respect him more if he started publicly taking more responsibility rather than blaming things on transition.
Well, that's what it looks like to me. Being used to watch the players put up a fight and shift to another gear when the opposition takes the lead, and now when we concede: nothing. It's not very reassuring.
That's just it. We don't know. With Fergie's reputation consolidated, wouldn't you listen to his advice? It would appear that Moyes was viewed in his image. The board should have sought out other candidates too, of course we don't know they didn't, but I'm not convinced they actively researched good young managers/coaches to move us forward.
We have been spoiled by success, but even if we weren't - no Utd supporter should find what is happening this year acceptable. There should be less politeness and more anger in rooting out the problem, which is clearly an inexperienced manager who is struggling at the moment.
We have four games coming up against lower half clubs, while the teams we're chasing all player each other.
If we take ten points from those four games then we'll be, at worst, a few points off fourth. Anything less than that and I think he'll be forced out, and tbh I wouldn't have too much of a problem with that.
If we take ten points from those four games then we'll be, at worst, a few points off fourth. Anything less than that and I think he'll be forced out, and tbh I wouldn't have too much of a problem with that.
We only have a fit Rooney to do that.RVP was well off the pace and as for Welbeck and Hernandez; Chich is a great player off the bench but starting?..
That leaves us with 2 strikers..onjly one is fit and if he gets injured we're well and truly fecked!
and if Sunderland won their last 10 games they would've been contenders for the title...
fecking big 'IF?
We're there for the taking. I wouldn't be scared about playing us home or away
Well that's relevant.
apparently, moyes is quite one dimensional in adapting to falling behind but he should be given chances as he has not yet spent except felllani who is apparently not our first choice of transfer. hope he can buy in jan and bring back us to the top 4 at least
10 pts out of 12 seems like a fantasy irrespective of the opponents these days.
Indeed, hence why failure to do that would most likely condemn him after a mere half a season.
To look like some sort of leader.
Christ, he's not 'inexperienced'!! I am a season ticket holder and have watched us play far worse under SAF but the results have been better. We haven't played consistently well for a number of years but that has been masked by results. Moyes has inherited that but unfortunately not SAF's luck and the results haven't been as expected. The forum equivalent of stomping your feet and throwing out various accusations aren't rooting out problems, it's the behaviour of spoilt kids who are only happy when they get what they want.
Listen to your previous manager and support the new man, that's your job, and as a representative of this forum to be acting like this is really an indictment on the forum as a whole.
The point you make is an 'if'...not a reality. It didn't happen so we need to stop fantasising. maybe in some parallel universe we're cleaning up but at the moment we're 9th and looking like mid table minnows
"I hoped it wouldn't have been as poor as it has been in the last few games. When I came here I knew it was never going to be easy and it's proved to be that way."
"I think the United supporters have been great to me and great to the club," he said. "They understand there is a big transition going on here and, like me, I don't think they expected us to have lost five games at this stage of the season. We didn't expect that."
“We are missing a little bit of creativity at the right times. When we’ve had chances to make good passes we’ve not quite made them.
“We’ve lost the past two games 1-0, probably slightly against the run of play, but we have to expect that and create more chances – to play better. That’s the way to do it.”
I don't think he is evading the issue. It is obvious that he will put controlled, positive persona in front of media. Behind the scenes, he will know who are up to the task and who aren't in the team and will try to fix it going forward. Too much is being seen in his every comment these days by fans.
We're currently seven points off fourth, I don't see how, if we take 10 points from our next four games, we'll be a few points off top four at worst. Make no mistake, if we finish in the top four from the position we currently find ourselves in we will have done very well.
No one wants him to slate individuals. That's wrong. But you don't have too fecking laugh and joke. There's no harm in saying it was fecking shit. There's no harm in saying that level of performance isn't acceptable. Is there?
He may well do at the training ground and interactions with the players. You have no idea.
I dont understand people who dont want to become like other clubs that are sacking their coaches every year etc. I personally dont care about Moyes, I just want United to go for the best coaches available. If Mourinho was at any stage available to us, I dont get why we would have ever preferred to pick Moyes over him? Yea ok, Mourniho doesnt get the "United philosophy", he wouldnt have the "United spirit" and all that bullshit, but he knows how to win! And at the same time, just in case no one notices, he isnt really Lucifer the Satan incarnated so that it is just an absolute impossibility that we would ever, EVER, employ someone like him! It does matter to me that we pick a coach who had nothing but success in his career over a coach who has not ever won anything! Unless of course we're saying look guys, we lost Fergie, we lost half of our key players (which we haven't), we're completely broke financially (which we aren't), we cannot at the moment afford anything better than an average Everton coach, and we cannot afford to buy any super fantastic awesome players, so have patience with us, we're starting from scratch. Fine, fair enough. But that simply wasnt the case. We had from the beginning - on Fergies word! - an average coach who apparently just needs more time. Not that he needs any more coaching skills, or some 'how to make the best from the transfer market' skills, no, he just needs more time. Exactly how much time, no one really knows. But yea, let's settle for that, lets not bloody go for the world's top coaches, not because they're no great but because we have a "philosophy" we so desperately need to maintain.
well I'm missing it then.
We were losing to Stoke at home with 12 mins left on the clock. What if we couldn't win that? Or we didn't get the red card and peno against Palace at home.
We would be 3/5 points above the 17th spot.
My guess is that he still looks like Moyes.
People thinking letting him spend money in January and the problems will disappear are delusional. Who would want to join us? Who would want to play for him?
Great post
I deplore the "if" game too. I thought Inigo Montoya asked me where we would be on the table if we won. I looked over and he asked a different question.
Question is, what are the Glaziers really like? We'll find out if he keeps dropping points like this. Would they really give him until May or if its looking like no CL in January will they get rid. Hope he gets some time and turns it around but its not just the results, its the performances, even at home we are BORING as F. 4 chances today on goal and poor on the ball again. Under SAF in Europe against the big boys you'd expect us to get schooled on the ball a bit, even boring games at times, but there would be entertainment and chances at some point, yet in the Premier League were doing very little right now.
Bizarre that Moyes seems better in the competition he's never been in, the one all the press quote as his lacking area.
Bizarre that Moyes seems better in the competition he's never been in, the one all the press quote as his lacking area.
Spot on. Our squad might have problems but our results and performances have been way below par.
You're trivializing the frustration most people here are experiencing with Moyes as manager by asking them to politely support him because he's SAF's man. You have to ask yourself what he has done to merit the unconditional support of fans so far. Its not something that's served up on a silver platter, it has to be earned by displaying a degree of competence in decision making, motivating players, and preparing the team to compete at a top level. Other than being Ferige's anointed one, what has Moyes done to merit not being immune from the scrutiny he is receiving ?
Similar to what was said about the run of games after the City game and we ended up dropping points to West Brom, Southampton and Cardiff. I hope we can go on a run but I've seen nothing to convince me we are capable of putting a winning streak together against even lowlier opposition.
quite apparent that the morale is low. players look do not trust him. he must show he can manage the team.
He looks a broken man and it seems he's already lost the players.
In hindsight a 6 year contract was pretty fecking stupid. Sir Alex was the greatest manager that' ever lived, but his recruitment initiatives haven't always been brilliant..
In hindsight a 6 year contract was pretty fecking stupid. Sir Alex was the greatest manager that' ever lived, but his recruitment initiatives haven't always been brilliant..
I think their confidence has definitely gone. Maybe some of his comments during the transfer window didn't help. If you are going to criticise the quality of the squad, you have to go out and sign better players. Signing Fellaini might feel like an insult to some of the players.
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