He still thinks we're in the title race, that's positive, delusional but positive.
Moyes So Far!
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The part where he whines about luck and mentions he had planned to take off RVP but was afraid what people would say if he did.
Fighting talk generally comes across as cracking up though.
Bayern Munich have won 7-0 at Werder Bremen, wish we played like that.
I'd say most of the blame. It was his choice and somehow over the years managed to brainwash the entire board into thinking it'd be a good idea when he wouldn't have been considered otherwise.
3 years ago we were a superior team, battered them and only lost to them due to a stupid red card from Rafael. Seems surreal now
Not always, if he came out saying "We WILL win our next game" opposed to "we will TRY and win our next game" you would have a bit more comfort that its all or nothing. Saying we'll try is probably the PC thing to say but as fans I would like a bit more conviction, just me though
I don't see anything too wrong with his interview to be honest. It's been a terrible start to the season but he needs to be given one season at least. We don't want to become like those other joke clubs, changing manager every couple of years. If we don't make the top 4 two seasons in a row though, then he'd be in serious trouble.
Maybe the smile on his face during the whole interview and his ''ho well, lets move onto the next game'' mentality as well. He's fecking clueless and im sure he still thinks he's at Everton.
Chelsea sacked managers, when they were in the top four. So did Madrid .
That is a joke. But sacking manager, when we most likely won't be in top half for me is acceptable. We shouldn't even give him funds in January.
In what sense is it cringeworthy and sad? What do people want from him ?
How true.
You're probably right, but it takes some doing to get things as badly wrong as Moyes has so far. The transfer window was an absolute shambles, he's failed to get the best out of some key players (Kagawa, Welbeck, Rafael,) and he's presided over some absolutely humiliating losses. He just doesn't look right for this job.
The fact that were in a position where he is basically conceding the league in early December is both.
The probelm is that this is the typical David Moyes. These mediocre results are shocking for us, but not for him. He spend the last 15 years getting these results every week.
I am not being hysterical. Just saying the team we have should be playing better. They have forgotten how to be ruthless in the PL. The CL result should have spurred them on and it hasn't.
Firing a manager is shunned upon by most of the Manchester United fans. This is because the club gave Ferguson (who also had a terrible start to his career at manchester United) alot of confidence and they stayed loyal to him for over 4 years (while at most teams he would have been fired already long ago). That loyalty was repaid by 27 years of devoted service from Fergie, never has it been seen in football and it is the primary reason why United managed to become what they are right now.
Truth is the club isn't used anymore to the whole managerial business, we had Fergie and we never had to worry about it, we never were going to fire him and we knew he would preform for us. It has been a luxury position to be in, but it is over now and we are struggling on how to move on from that. Naturally the club wanted to emulate what we had with Fergie, with the new manager and they searched for a person with great devotion and loyalty as characteristics. I think that is the primary reason why Moyes got the job. Unfortunately Moyes his way of managing doesn't fit with a club like Manchester United, he is too negative and his tactics aren't adjusted to modern football.
He has clearly failed to get some important players behind him, as you can hear negative comments already from RVP but also Rio. He had a terrible summer followed by a very difficult start to the season which made everything so much worse. He managed to put us back on the rails, definalty after winning the game vs Arsenal, we were within 5 points of first place but after that everything went to shit, ofcourse the injurries of RVP, Carrick etc all played a big role in it aswell and he was unlucky in a few games aswell, but he got 3/15 from a series of games were you expect to get atleast 10 to 12. I fear he lost his player group now in the process and I don't think he can put it straight again.
Most people feel that firing him now would be kneejerk, however what alot of people are failling to see is that he has really shown nothing so far that he is even remotely capable of doing this job. He is totaly out of his depth and if he'd be doing it at any other club I think most would only find it natural that he'd be fired but because it is here at United, it is shunned upon, because we haven't done it for such a long time. It would feel bad for alot of people because the last command of Fergie was to stick to the manager and if they'd fired Moyes they'd feel like betraying Fergie and the club's legacy. However I find it total bullshit, we should stick to a manager for a valid reason, just because Ferguson thought he was going to be good enough doesn't mean he is.
Ofcourse he needs to get time and everybody expected a transitional period, but transitional means to be fourth or fifth right now with the possibility to still catch up with Arsenal but not to be already 15 points behind, if this carries on we'll end the season out of the top 10 and for a club like Manchester United that is inacceptable and intolerable. This isn't about needing time anymore, this is about already having messed up on so many levels that nobody can believe he is good enough anymore to do the job, the only thing you could have is faith in the choice of Ferguson. Reality however is that Ferguson hasn't always made the right choices, he is also made decisions like spending £7m on Bébé or selecting a midfield of Rafael and Park over Pogba. In truth I think Moyes is a mistake from Fergie that falls in the same category. It will only go one way with Moyes and that is downhill, it will eventually lead to resignation sooner or later, and than it is beter to do it right now than to wait until Moyes has truely destroyed the image of Manchester United, because right now we are nothing but a laughing stock to the entire world.
He hardly looked happy! What else is he really supposed to say? I'm pretty sure you're talking rubbish.
He did say we would definitely be close to the top, come the end of the season. I think I prefer that sort of long term confidence, personally, as I don't think inviting more pressure during a bad run is particularly wise.
I've just seen Moyes' post match comments and I'm no longer willing to cut him the slack I was two hours ago.
It was always going to be a period of transition? Why does he keep rolling out the ready made excuses. As much as anything it excuses the players for not turning up as it does him not getting the results.
From the time Moyes started crying about the fixture list and a 'tough start', complaints made to look idiotic by our subsequent result, he has sounded one note: negativity.
There has been an underlying atmosphere around him of getting excuses in from day one. The difference in tone and bullishness from the players after we smashed Swansea compared to Moyes was obvious. He's taken a bunch of players who had been imbued with belief by Fergie and consistently talked them into lowering their expectations, told them the squad was short on world class players, and sounded defeatist notes about poor results e.g. drawing at Cardiff.
There's been no defiance, no sense of the us vs the world mentality that the players used to thrive on. Just an acceptance that this season will be a write off. It's not on.
The most important man at Man Utd is the manager, he sets the pattern for the whole club. In defeat he should be determined, in victory he should be focused. What he should never be is accepting of anything but the best from his players and certainly not an excuse maker for poor performances. Moyes shouldn't be slating his players but he should, however delusional it sounds, be saying we will fight on and we will turn this around. If only to give the players a morale boost.
We had to wait for Fergie to declare in a bloody book signing that United are capable from winning it from behind and that is the problem. Moyes, at no stage, has given a bunch of players who live for winning a genuine sense that he thinks they're capable of it. Fergie never failed to.
When Arsenal were falling short Wenger always, always said he believed in them. People said he was an idiot. But any manager, in any job, knows the best way to get 100% out of your staff is to give them the confidence to do their jobs. A team playing confidently can beat an on paper side playing at half their potential, as we've seen at Old Trafford more times than we'd like to already this season. Instead all we've had from Moyes is words the players can point to when it goes wrong. Transition, tough start, difficult, would've taken a point...
Its not on.
It was always going to be a period of transition? Why does he keep rolling out the ready made excuses. As much as anything it excuses the players for not turning up as it does him not getting the results.
From the time Moyes started crying about the fixture list and a 'tough start', complaints made to look idiotic by our subsequent result, he has sounded one note: negativity.
There has been an underlying atmosphere around him of getting excuses in from day one. The difference in tone and bullishness from the players after we smashed Swansea compared to Moyes was obvious. He's taken a bunch of players who had been imbued with belief by Fergie and consistently talked them into lowering their expectations, told them the squad was short on world class players, and sounded defeatist notes about poor results e.g. drawing at Cardiff.
There's been no defiance, no sense of the us vs the world mentality that the players used to thrive on. Just an acceptance that this season will be a write off. It's not on.
The most important man at Man Utd is the manager, he sets the pattern for the whole club. In defeat he should be determined, in victory he should be focused. What he should never be is accepting of anything but the best from his players and certainly not an excuse maker for poor performances. Moyes shouldn't be slating his players but he should, however delusional it sounds, be saying we will fight on and we will turn this around. If only to give the players a morale boost.
We had to wait for Fergie to declare in a bloody book signing that United are capable from winning it from behind and that is the problem. Moyes, at no stage, has given a bunch of players who live for winning a genuine sense that he thinks they're capable of it. Fergie never failed to.
When Arsenal were falling short Wenger always, always said he believed in them. People said he was an idiot. But any manager, in any job, knows the best way to get 100% out of your staff is to give them the confidence to do their jobs. A team playing confidently can beat an on paper side playing at half their potential, as we've seen at Old Trafford more times than we'd like to already this season. Instead all we've had from Moyes is words the players can point to when it goes wrong. Transition, tough start, difficult, would've taken a point...
Its not on.
Rafael has been injured, as was Welbeck, and Kagawa has not progressed in all his time here. 2 of them arguably are not even in our best XI. The transfers are not 100% under his control. He hasn't been great, but there was always going to be a fallout post Fergie.
Moyes in the games against teams who will likely finish in the top half.
Chelsea 0-0
Liverpool lost 1-0
City lost 4-1
Arsenal 1-0
Everton lost 1-0
Southampton drew 1-1
Spurs 2-2
Newcastle Lost 1-0
6 points out of 24.
How many of these games did we play well in?
A very damming stat.
Only 4 goals for. Only 2 goals in 4 games at home against these teams.The top transfers will have no issue as long as we show them the money. That's what we need to start doing; not hoping that the United name is enough to lure them.
Moyes hasn't got the best out of any of our players except for probably Rooney and he's the type of player who can take a game by the scruff of it's neck and is least in need of a manager to stand out.
He could show a little passion for a start. Im not expecting him to publicly slate the players but he just 'laughs' it off, 'we move on to the next game and try to get a win' type of replies just reek of a man who has no winning mentality in his blood what so ever.
Ouch. That looks bad.
I think we can still get decent players who can improve the team without CL football. We just need to scout beyond Everton (ok I know this is an exaggeration but it was fairly obvious Fellaini wasn't the answer to our first XI issues).
How is Moyes being a disaster appointment down to anyone other than the man who chose him?
Did Moyes actually say he'd have taken a point against Cardiff? I thought that was just made up?
He's been nothing short of a disaster. Really hope he turns it around soon.
Maybe he's focused so much on getting Rooney back, and getting him to stay, that he's neglected the rest of the players a bit?
True but it almost seemed like other manager try and absorb all the blame and protect their players this made me think he feels he will do his best and hopefully the players wont let him down. Again that's just me
Thanks for putting this up.
He just seems so accepting of the result; no anger, little disappointment, it's almost like he's expecting these sort of results. Grow a fecking pair and show anger at your players, it's unbelievable. We need a leader, not a spineless character.
Well, the board have got to take a huge amount of responsibility too. They appointed him on the recommendation of Fergie who shouldn't have been allowed so much influence. The game has moved on, Everton made a bold appointment in a manager who has an attacking philosophy. Our board are clueless.They haven't done their homework either in researching a proper manager for Utd who would have continued the Utd ethos and also in Woodward;someone who was equally clueless in trying to do too little too late. I'm not sure not giving him funds is the answer.
I'm actually feeling sorry for Moyes right now as it seems whomever he picks they do not respond.He needs to get nasty and ship players out or it won't be long before he's out.
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