Moyes So Far!
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It's a strange one really because in the first few games of the season we actually looked quite good...
This. The responsibility in the end lies with him. It is surprising though that these players need external motivation after Everton defeat midweek. One would have hoped for them to be self motivated for this game at least.
If the reason for the disjointed performance is his training then his mistake led it. It's not enough to pick players and then make subs. A manager needs to be giving instructions, spotting what's not working and changing it. He doesn't do it. The tempo of our game doesn't change and he either sits and glares or stands with his hands in his pockets and glares.
We offered Rene a job and he decided to leave so Moyes can't be faulted on that one.
As for Ray Wilkins
That's cheered me up a bit so thanks for that.
Best case scenario if Moyes was let go would be to get Fergie to do half a season to bail us out and then appoint someone with genuine top level experience thereafter. I doubt Fergie would or the club would go with that.
Only circumstances I can see Moyes getting sacked is if this run continues but considering who we have lost to we have made it very difficult for ourselves when we play the bigger clubs.
Who gives a feck what others would have said? You're the manager, you should be confident in your own decisions. Sir Alex wasn't afraid to take off Rooney last season when he was playing like shite and we needed a goal. He needs to grow a pair.
Moyes needs time and backing off the fans. It's tough times ahead. Title is gone but cl spots are still reachable. I think it's apparent now that moyes needs to be given time to build his own team.
Biggest concern today was the reaction....or the no reaction i should say. Players are telling the owners to make a decision - that had all the hall marks of "lost the dressing room".
Saf and Wenger were the last of a kind. Utd are now in modern day football. Players decide managers fate with their performances and attitude and that performance today spoke volumes.
Saf and Wenger were the last of a kind. Utd are now in modern day football. Players decide managers fate with their performances and attitude and that performance today spoke volumes.
Also it is pretty desperate of him to be playing players unfit i.e. Carrick vs. Arsenal and RVP today. Shouldn't do it, long-term potential issues from such decisions do more harm.
I agree with you. But that's why I said it was in isolation, just to reinforce that I think the problems are more deep-rooted than the odd substitution here and there.
There's been several times this season when you thought we'd come back firing after a poor result. Unfortunately that has yet to happen.
We look to have no cohesion, identity or defined style of play. The last couple years under Ferguson our style of play was actually just our great mentality, the desire to play until the final whistle and never give up. That mentality doesn't seem to be there anymore so with a lack of ideas it's no wonder we are playing so poorly.
Maybe, and I'm sure Fergie probably could have got that little bit more out of certain players but I don't think he could do that much more playing 3 strong teams, Spurs, Everton and Newcastle without his main man in RVP, in one of them loosing his other main man in Rooney and missing the one proper midifelder we have in all of them and in fairness a lack of luck in all of them. Do you not think we could have dropped points just as easily last season with thos eplayers missing.
We always battled to the end with Fergie but we always had the players to allow it too. Even if there were some questionable quality players around there were those key players who could keep things going. Like I said, no Carrick and no Scholes means there's no one who can pick the ball up deep and start attacks which is a key part of all our pushing to the end. That's been an issue each time we've gone behind and won't change until Carrick is back and/or we get another midfielder. Add to that the loss of Rooney the inform striker and it's a massive blow.
Moyes has made mistakes and I thought he made some in the subs today but like I said alot of it is due to the lack of even one quality player in the most important position on the field. I think if he gets it right in Jan then things will look a lot better.
What does that even fecking mean? Martinez's Everton is practically the same squad as Moyes' and the same goes for Pochettino's Southampton. I have a lot of respect for Moyes and I want him to succeed but that's an excuse. No one expected it to be easy and no one expected him to take the world by storm but at the same time, no one expected to be losing to teams like we are at Old Trafford or playing the way we are. We should be playing decent football and at worst, grinding out wins.
Good to hear he chose not to get RvP off becasue ppl wouldnt have liked it.
While playing 442. We need to move to a 433 imo.
I agree. The common thread here is that Fergie was a great manager. Moyes is not even remotely in his league.
Stay calm. That's what Moyes and the team needs.
Just realised we dropped 25 points the whole of last season. We've dropped 23 so far this year
Agreed. Terrible quote.
3 strong teams? I agree if they were all away games but its two home games and our squad is comfortably better than both Everton and Newcastle. There is absolutely no excuse for losing a home game, let alone two in a row in 4 days.
atm we have no other choice. until we find the next Keane....at least.
Especially after drawing our previous two. This is shocking form for any club, not just us.
The good news is we're all free to book holidays for April and May.
To be honest, should have done this years ago. Tried at the start of the 2005-06 season but it didn't work thanks to the players used. Imagine had SAF signed Senna in 2006 to form a trio with Carrick and Scholes, and forming a Ronaldo-Saha-Rooney attack (Ronaldo-Rooney-Giggs when Saha was crocked). Mouthwatering.
So, who has lost patience? I genuinely think he could be gone.
Players are not playing for him
Players are not playing for him
If that is the case, that could be what does for him.
Everton are a strong team, and our squad without Carrick, and/or Rooney/RVP plus today no kagawa who probably would have been a better option over an unsharp RVP, really isn't that strong to say we couldn't drop points to them and certainly not in the key area which is midfield and that's where all the issues are coming from. I can't think of one area we were stronger in the middle than any of those teams except maybe if Giggs was on form you could say he has the best range but that doesn't mean much as he's not always on form.
Newcastle aren't the best team but they came and worked very hard and then got a lucky break and scored. It happens, on another day one of our players is on had to knock in some of the dangerous passes we put in, or that break for their goal never happens. The key thing for me though is that we can't play to our best or get back in to it because of the middle and as I've said I don't think there's much Moyes could have changed about that today.
I agree we shouldn't be loosing two on the bounce and he needs to find a way to grind it out but I also think we're really having some poor luck and as I keep saying in the one key area we're severely lacking. Plus tbh the only way I think he could try and gring it out with the players at hand is going 451 with fellani as a number 10 with which if he tried to do it the stick he'd get would be unreal. Until he can change the personnel in the middle then it's going to be tough against solid teams.
wow.
No worries. I'll be supporting Southampton by then.
It had all the looks of players deciding they don't want to work for him. I think he's gone
Moyes is lost. So out his depth
Blame the players under performing yes... But there is ONE man sailing the ship and he is accountable for it wake the feck up !!!!
Seven of which were dropped after winning the league, and a further five in that lazy post-Madrid period where we'd pretty much already wrapped it up. People who prat on aboutthe other teams being weak last season can go feck themselves, we were amazing.
Last season's Manchester United was one of the best teams the PL has seen, whereas this season's wouldn't make the top 100. That's how negative an impact Moyes has had.
Trip to Villa next up. Really really need the win there otherwise our predicament will continue to snowball.
He made a load of ridiculous tactical decisions in these last few games, of course he's accountable for the problems.
is it the players not performing
or the players not performing for Moyes - that is the question
Fergie was able to consistently win with the players on the pitch today but you also have to take into account the opposition - we have always looked vulnerable at times but this year teams have consistently come to Old Trafford and looked comfortable and believed they could win
I wonder how different this season would have been had we been able to hang onto the likes of Pogba and Morrison whilst bringing in a few top quality players
or the players not performing for Moyes - that is the question
Fergie was able to consistently win with the players on the pitch today but you also have to take into account the opposition - we have always looked vulnerable at times but this year teams have consistently come to Old Trafford and looked comfortable and believed they could win
I wonder how different this season would have been had we been able to hang onto the likes of Pogba and Morrison whilst bringing in a few top quality players
Still played some crap football at times as well though. I'm not even trying to defend Moyes there, but the team needs changes, it was there to see for ppl last year as well.
Players just don't even look convinced by his tactics. Hoofing it long to nothing and not playing the ball out....it's just a lower league way. The fact not one player looked like they wanted a result today can't be anyone's fault other than the manager. We have got so bad it's painful to watch. I'm really concerned....really concerned because we are in deep shit playing like we are, with no sign of improving. We aren't even being unlucky...just plain shit.
We've played crap football for ages, it's not about that, it's about the team's mentality and character.
apparently Moyes doesn't tell the players whos playing until the team sheets are printed. Maybe thats not enough time for a PS footballer to be mentally ready for a game - just a thought
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