Moyes So Far!

[Godfather]

We've played crap football for ages, it's not about that, it's about the team's mentality and character.

This I agree with. Still thought our new manager would probably get us to play good football at times.

 

[Fergus' son]

That post match interview, my word.

 

[kouroux]

We've played crap football for ages, it's not about that, it's about the team's mentality and character.

This, even under SAF the football was tedious at times. The current teams combines tedious football and lack of character, horrible combo to watch.

 

[Kingcon]

That post match interview, my word.

Do tell.

 

[Will Absolute]

In the just aborted poll, about 50% of the Cafe think DM should be allowed to get on with the job. One hesitates to ask - what job? The 'lets see how close I can take United to relegation' job?

I'm honestly puzzled by the reluctance to contemplate sacking him. He's got everything wrong so far. Surely a properly qualified replacement would be more likely to make things better than worse?

Why is loyalty to a failing manager considered such a virtue? Is it really necessary for the ship to sink before firing the captain?

 

[buckooo1978]

He made a load of ridiculous tactical decisions in these last few games, of course he's accountable for the problems.

the buck stops with him but the players today were pretty awful - playing with no belief or confidence

the players in possession were visibly signalling for some movement

 

[shaggy]

In the just aborted poll, about 50% of the Cafe think DM should be allowed to get on with the job. One hesitates to ask - what job? The 'lets see how close I can take United to relegation' job?

I'm honestly puzzled by the reluctance to contemplate sacking him. He's got everything wrong so far. Surely a properly qualified replacement would be more likely to make things better than worse?

Why is loyalty to a failing manager considered such a virtue? Is it really necessary for the ship to sink before firing the captain?

More loyalty to SAF, I suspect.

 

[Bestie07]

In the just aborted poll, about 50% of the Cafe think DM should be allowed to get on with the job. One hesitates to ask - what job? The 'lets see how close I can take United to relegation' job?

I'm honestly puzzled by the reluctance to contemplate sacking him. He's got everything wrong so far. Surely a properly qualified replacement would be more likely to make things better than worse?

Why is loyalty to a failing manager considered such a virtue? Is it really necessary for the ship to sink before firing the captain?

Because it supposedly makes us better than other teams. Any other team of our stature in the world, and the manager would have been gone by now.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

In the just aborted poll, about 50% of the Cafe think DM should be allowed to get on with the job. One hesitates to ask - what job? The 'lets see how close I can take United to relegation' job?

I'm honestly puzzled by the reluctance to contemplate sacking him. He's got everything wrong so far. Surely a properly qualified replacement would be more likely to make things better than worse?

Why is loyalty to a failing manager considered such a virtue? Is it really necessary for the ship to sink before firing the captain?

They are scared SAF will come round to their houses if they are seen to be disloyal.

 

[RedRonaldo]

I knew we would be downgraded abit when Moyes took over, but I didn't realize we would be downgraded by that much.

 

[LonelyFire]

I don't understand the blind faith some have that Moyes will be a success. I didn't want him in the first place and the performances have done nothing to suggest those concerns were misplaced.

The players don't want him. Game will be up for Moyes shortly. Whether you like it or not, player power will prevail

 

[Melvyn]

The players don't want him. Game will be up for Moyes shortly. Whether you like it or not, player power will prevail

Unfortunately true.

 

[Kingcon]

I knew we would be downgraded abit when Moyes took over, but I didn't realize we would be downgraded by that much.

I always thought he'd at least have a strong understanding of the league and struggle in Europe.

 

[moses]

I don't understand the blind faith some have that Moyes will be a success. I didn't want him in the first place and the performances have done nothing to suggest those concerns were misplaced.

The players don't want him. Game will be up for Moyes shortly. Whether you like it or not, player power will prevail

But nobody has actually said anything near that, they just think he deserves more than a few months to be judged in what is frequently described as the hardest job in football.

 

[OneUnited24]

Because it supposedly makes us better than other teams. Any other team of our stature in the world, and the manager would have been gone by now.

Exactly.

I don't understand the blind faith some have that Moyes will be a success. I didn't want him in the first place and the performances have done nothing to suggest those concerns were misplaced.

The players don't want him. Game will be up for Moyes shortly. Whether you like it or not, player power will prevail

I feel having a manager for long spells is a good model to follow but you make sure you have a manager in place who can handle himself at a big club. He's only 6 months in and he looks shamefully underqualified, at any other club they would get rid and look for a more suited person. However, with SAF on the board and given it was his recommendation I can see him fighting tooth and nail to prevent any sacking if only because it was his appointment.

 

[Raoul]

My big concern was that there would be little room for error in replacing Fergie. If he got off to a bad start, today's media climate of social media, tabloids, web forums etc would quickly snowball and create a toxic envoriment in the dressing room and among fans. Today's climate mandates that managers settle and produce results quickly and he's not managed to do either.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Exactly.


I feel having a manager for long spells is a good model to follow but you make sure you have a manager in place who can handle himself at a big club. He's only 6 months in and he looks shamefully underqualified, at any other club they would get rid and look for a more suited person. However, with SAF on the board and given it was his recommendation I can see him fighting tooth and nail to prevent any sacking if only because it was his appointment.

Well if he fails miserably SAF has to be prepared to take some of the blame as well.

 

[moses]

blamefeckingeverycuntingbody.

 

[datura]

The players don't want him.

Seen this or similar lots of times and I just don't see how you can come to that conclusion? There seems to be no lack of effort, or application.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

My big concern was that there would be little room for error in replacing Fergie. If he got off to a bad start, today's media climate of social media, tabloids, web forums etc would quickly snowball and create a toxic envoriment in the dressing room and among fans. Today's climate mandates that managers settle and produce results quickly and he's not managed to do either.

That's the worry I have. You don't get the time now, people are much more demanding. It's a sign of the times.

 

[Sam]

My big concern was that there would be little room for error in replacing Fergie. If he got off to a bad start, today's media climate of social media, tabloids, web forums etc would quickly snowball and create a toxic envoriment in the dressing room and among fans. Today's climate mandates that managers settle and produce results quickly and he's not managed to do either.

That what makes Moyes' appointment even more bizzare.

 

[OneUnited24]

Well if he fails miserably SAF has to be prepared to take some of the blame as well.

Reading his book you get the sense that he's a proud man and would stick with it.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

That post match interview, my word.

What?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Seen this or similar lots of times and I just don't see how you can come to that conclusion? There seems to be no lack of effort, or application.

If that was no lack of effort, then our team has gone bad very quickly.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Reading his book you get the sense that he's a proud man and would stick with it.

I agree, just hope that pride isn't our downfall.

 

[Bojan11]

I don't understand fans wanting to give him more time. It's nearly Xmas and we nearly not in the top half. What has he done to convince us he is the right man for the job? His only purchase was piss poor. His mentality is piss poor. I don't see a change in our playing style.

People think we just going to solve it by signing players in January. Would you trust Moyes with money? And who is going to want to join?

 

[thegregster]

 

[MrMarcello]

Reading his book you get the sense that he's a proud man and would stick with it.

The greatest of men and women have a massive ego. Heck, even the biggest failures have inflated egos at times.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

 

[FlawlessThaw]

More loyalty to SAF, I suspect.

SAF is gone, he's now part of the history of the club. Moyes isn't SAF no 2, no where near close and currently he is taking us further and further into a downward spiral.

 

[MrMarcello]

Another point to contemplate, what will the top transfer targets think of Moyes and the club's direction?

I know money and CL football often cure much but without it...

 

[datura]

If that was no lack of effort, then our team has gone bad very quickly.

I think the heads went down after the goal and with recent results haven't quite got the belief that we could get back into the game. It was all a little frantic and desperate. We were playing pretty well up to then without a goal to show for it. There's no way we deserved to lose that game.

 

[Nighteyes]

What's wrong with that post match interview?

 

[devilish]

thanks

 

[OneUnited24]

The greatest of men and women have a massive ego. Heck, even the biggest failures have inflated egos at times.

I'm not disputing that.

I'm only saying I think even if United finish outside the top four this season Moyes will have a powerful ally in SAF

 

[OneUnited24]

What's wrong with that post match interview?

Only that he could be talking about any game we've lost/drawn in this season. Its the same "we needed a bit of luck, fans are great, transition..."

Also there's no defiance a previous manager of ours had

 

[MrMarcello]

I'm not disputing that.

I'm only saying I think even if United finish outside the top four this season Moyes will have a powerful ally in SAF

I was just piggybacking off your post, not arguing it.

 

[DOTA]

What's wrong with that post match interview?

I think we're supposed to be appalled that he seemed calm rather that crying and begging for forgiveness.

 

[OneUnited24]

I was just piggybacking off your post, not arguing it.

My bad.... See now Moyes has got us turning on eachother! ... Well that's the last straw...

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I think we're supposed to be appalled that he seemed calm rather that crying and begging for forgiveness.

He looks like he has aged 10 years since the summer. Not sure him sounding calm is great, I would like to hear a bit more fighting talk.