Moyes So Far!

[Mockney]

But I wont blame him if I dont think he's culpable. We should never have conceded as we did and we should've and would've been ahead by then anyway if the ref did his job.

Aside from disagreeing with you over the penalties, do you really think 2 penalties would have been an acceptable level of chance creation for Manchester United at home?

The main problem was we were woefully uncreative, uninspired, tactically devoid and seemingly unmotivated. Now, obviously you can blame the players for this, because every time anyone plays badly it's essentially the players fault. They play well. They play badly. Because they're the ones doing things. But if you think that's nothing to do with the manager, then you've got a very odd concept of what a manager's job is. All of that is the manager's responsibility. That's what his job is. To manage the players.

Otherwise, why don't we just get rid of managers as a concept all together and pick the players ourselves by internet poll?

 

[Eyepopper]

It gets me when people are saying players and not manager is to blame. At no point during the last 5 years did they look this inept, it's no coincidence. This is the same team that won the fecking league last season, Moyes performance as a manager so far has been possibly the worst we've seen from anyone in Premier League all things considered.

Leaving Moyes out of it for a minute, it's clear to see there are a number of players in hiding.

Regardless of who the manager is or what the tactics are if you have players who aren't prepared to take the ball you're going to be in trouble.

 

[Getsme]

By the end of the weekend we could be 8 points off a champions league spot.
We can say goodbye to CL football next year. This is going to be disastrous.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Hang in there lads. He did manage 17th in his first year at Everton, so maybe we are in for a shit year followed by a gradual yearly improvement. Before you know it, we'll be challenging for a place in Europe.

What's great is that no matter what he'll ever leave us for greener pastures. Whether we're 9th or 19th, David Moyes will stand by Manchester United like a guardiola or mourinho never would.

 

[poisson]

Hang in there lads. He did manage 17th in his first year at Everton, so maybe we are in for a shit year followed by a gradual yearly improvement. Before you know it, we'll be challenging for a place in Europe.

YESSSSSSSS

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Agreed. Absolutely no urgency to get the ball up the pitch. Worrying.

They want shooting if that's the case, we have criticized other teams for doing that. They should be playing for the honour of Manchester United, the fans and their own pride. Spoilt brats if that's the case.

 

[Kag]

You just completely contradicted yourself. That performance is on Moyes.

No I didn't. In isolation, he made no mistakes. Good first XI and sensible, attacking substitutions.

The wider issue is that I don't think he or the coaches know how to get this team playing the kind of football United require. The mistakes are in his philosophy and on the coaching ground. It's why Everton play better football now he has gone.

 

[dileno]

Where can we watch the post match press conference?

 

[Eyepopper]

Talking as if we were unlucky again 'If a few things had gone our way' feck off it was a horrible performance and Newcastle deserved the 3 points.

He also said no one expected us to be as poor as we have been in the last 2 games.

If you're playing poorly, which we obviously are, you better hope you get a slice of luck or two and we certainly haven't. Not that it's an excuse, but I don't think he was offering it as one.

 

[Plugsy]

One of the views supporting his appointment was he has a track record of working with players he has to get the most out of them.

Suddenly we're in trouble because he hasn't been able to make a second £30m addition to midfield?

Nah, not for me.

 

[Godfather]

And to think what kind of managers were out there that changed clubs. Pep, Mourinho, Ancelotti....

 

[That'sHernandez]

Central midfielder? We have been bitching about our midfield for 7 years now, and now we do this bad, and suddenly we had a great midfield when Fergie was around?

We have lost many players on which our play depended and we still managed to find another way to play. We even lost a BPITW and still won the league.

Please, please, if you want to defend Moyes, leave Fergie out of it.. We didn't have Fergie for a couple of years so you can theorize about "what if THAT happened when Fergie was around?"... The man was in charge of our team for ages and he managed to cope with all kind of problems for over 25 years. And now suddenly we're 3 months into the new season, and Moyes is facing something "Fergie has never faced"?!

Please.

PLLLLLease! Fergie lost far better players than Carrick and he coped much better than this..

I don't think it makes sense to defend Moyes anymore in any way other way than "he needs time to adapt to the squad, and he will turn this around pretty fecking quickly!".

You're the one who brought Fergie into it as a means to attack Moyes to begin with. Why not judge Moyes on his own performances, rather than Fergie's?

No one said Fergie never faced such situations and frankly, some of the times he did we got hammered. Fulham for example, where Carrick had to play in centre back, or the game against West Ham I think it was where we played Park and Rafael in midfield. Anyway, you're evading my question; name a truly great central midfield SAF lost without having an adequate replacement. There are none and it's Fergie's complacency with our midfield that has caused this situation.

Oh and anyone thinking we'll buy in January; we won't. Fletcher will be back by then and he'll be hailed as "Like a new signing".

 

[Sir Matt]

By the end of the weekend we could be 8 points off a champions league spot.
We can say goodbye to CL football next year. This is going to be disastrous.

Hey! We'd still make it if we won the Champions League.

 

[Getsme]

Hey! We'd still make it if we won the Champions League.

Oops, I forgot we were going to win that sorry.

 

[Melvyn]

They want shooting if that's the case, we have criticized other teams for doing that. They should be playing for the honour of Manchester United, the fans and their own pride. Spoilt brats if that's the case.

We laughed at Chelsea's players for what they did to AVB. I told myself, you would never see that at Manchester United. I would be so disappointed in the players if they are indeed acting like this against Moyes.

 

[thegregster]

"It could have been much better, we were needing a goal to give us confidence. They got a goal we could have done better with and it changed the game.
"We did not create enough but we did create some. When you are not quite firing you need things to go for us, they didn't.
"I was due to take him (Van Persie) off after 60 minutes but if I had people would have said what are you doing? We were chasing the game and needed to get a goal back.
"You try and win the next game. We move on. We will try and win the next game, never think much further than that."

 

[shaggy]

Usual post-match comments, "we move on" and "try to win the next game". Clueless.

 

[CR#7]

Sacking of Rene, Mick , Eric .. Was a bloody joke what the feck does Steve round and Phil Neville know about Coaching at the very highest level in World football just piss off

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Ron Atkinson just made a good point that United don't have transitional periods. That you don't here about Barcelona or Real Madrid having transitional periods.

 

[Suedesi]

Everton's first win at Old Trafford in 21 years
West Brom's first win at Old Trafford in 35 years
Newcastle's first win at Old Trafford in 41 years
United's first consecutive losses at Old Trafford since 2001
Moyes sure is breaking records this year.

 

[Danny1982]

You're the one who brought Fergie into it as a means to attack Moyes to begin with. Why not judge Moyes on his own performances, rather than Fergie's?

No one said Fergie never faced such situations and frankly, some of the times he did we got hammered. Fulham for example, where Carrick had to play in centre back, or the game against West Ham I think it was where we played Park and Rafael in midfield. Anyway, you're evading my question; name a truly great central midfield SAF lost without having an adequate replacement. There are none and it's Fergie's complacency with our midfield that has caused this situation.

Oh and anyone thinking we'll buy in January; we won't. Fletcher will be back by then and he'll be hailed as "Like a new signing".

This is what I was replying to!

Ppl seem to be forgetting how influential the loss of Carrick has been. Fergie escaped that problem for years but weve always known we'd be in trouble should he have got injured.


Its Fergies fault we didn't have that backup, Woodwards fault we didn't strengthen. Both have made it very difficult for Moyes and I'm not sure any other manager including Fergie would have coped any better

And the other bold part in your post is just embarrassing.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

"It could have been much better, we were needing a goal to give us confidence. They got a goal we could have done better with and it changed the game.
"We did not create enough but we did create some. When you are not quite firing you need things to go for us, they didn't.
"I was due to take him (Van Persie) off after 60 minutes but if I had people would have said what are you doing? We were chasing the game and needed to get a goal back.
"You try and win the next game. We move on. We will try and win the next game, never think much further than that."

That last comment is awful. He has no confidence at all.

 

[The Neviller]

His language is really starting to feck me off. We'll try and do this, hopefully we'll do that. You're Manchester United manager, grow a set of fecking balls.

 

[MrMarcello]

We laughed at Chelsea's players for what they did to AVB. I told myself, you would never see that at Manchester United. I would be so disappointed in the players if they are indeed acting like this against Moyes.

What if the players having just watched the greatest manager ever have seen that Moyes doesn't seem to have a clue, doesn't inspire and galvanize them, and has clashed with some that know a thing or two about working under great managers?

He doesn't have the track record for players to sit idly by and know he'll right the wrongs.

I could certainly understand players revolting in such scenario.

 

[That'sHernandez]

feck interviews.

Let's not anyone tell you this is a weak squad.

De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Evans, Carrick, Fellaini, Nani, Januzaj, Young, Zaha, Giggs, Cleverley, Anderson, Kagawa, Rooney, Hernandez, RVP....

....it's a complete myth this idea that we're in transition. Yes we may need one or two players but that's the case for almost every football club on the planet. We'll never not need one or two players. But that shouldn't be the difference between challenging for honours and being nowhere in the table.

The transition myth has been going on since we sold Ronaldo, and after/during the 2011 season.

 

[Ronaldo's Mum Eh?]

Throw a blank cheque book at Klopp and Gundogan.

 

[marjen]

He's an apologist.

That's my biggest gripe with him.

His persona is insecure, his decision making reeks of him being insecure, and our performances are those of a very insecure team.

 

[rio's upper lip]

"It could have been much better, we were needing a goal to give us confidence. They got a goal we could have done better with and it changed the game.
"We did not create enough but we did create some. When you are not quite firing you need things to go for us, they didn't.
"I was due to take him (Van Persie) off after 60 minutes but if I had people would have said what are you doing? We were chasing the game and needed to get a goal back.
"You try and win the next game. We move on. We will try and win the next game, never think much further than that."

A whole lot of nothing, as usual. George is getting upset.

 

[kouroux]

"It could have been much better, we were needing a goal to give us confidence. They got a goal we could have done better with and it changed the game.
"We did not create enough but we did create some. When you are not quite firing you need things to go for us, they didn't.
"I was due to take him (Van Persie) off after 60 minutes but if I had people would have said what are you doing? We were chasing the game and needed to get a goal back.
"You try and win the next game. We move on. We will try and win the next game, never think much further than that."

How are the players supposed to believe in a coach that displays his defeatist and loser mindset so openly ?

 

[That'sHernandez]

This is what I was replying to!



And the other bold part in your post is just embarrassing.

If you're embarrassed by that, it's probably best to lock yourself in a dark room and commit yourself to solitary confinement for the rest of your life because that's a pathetic thing to say. Grow up a little, pre-jack Danny.

 

[LARulz]

So this is a business for the Glazers right? Say we are failing miserably still at the end of the season, would they sack him?

 

[RDCR07]

I agree that he messed up in the summer, but in fairness we don't know how much that was him or Woodward not getting the deals done. At least he tried to sign someone, Fergie ignored it completely and got lucky that Carrick stayed fit and RVP/Rooney stayed fit to make up for defiencies. I don't think we'd have been much better last season with no Carrick, Rooney out and RVP missing.

I think you are vastly underestimating the man management skills of Fergie. Doesnt matter what team he puts out, the fear the players have of him (in a good way) keeps players going.

 

[Suedesi]

PLLLLLease! Fergie lost far better players than Carrick and he coped much better than this..

I don't think it makes sense to defend Moyes anymore in any way other way than "he needs time to adapt to the squad, and he will turn this around pretty fecking quickly!".

Why does he need time? To fcuk up even more during the January transfer? What doesn't Mourinho need more time at Chelsea? Pellegrini at Man City?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Throw a blank cheque book at Klopp and Gundogan.

This, probably.

 

[Tonjo]

Moyes biggest mistake was when he got rid of Rene and Mike Phelan.
What have Steve Round and Phil Neville got that both of the previous guys
did not have? Very poor decision indeed to let them go.
I think he needs a Carlos Quieiros to help him out tactically.
Why play Henandez and Van Persie together when United always have
someone to play behind the main striker. Putting Kagawa behind Van Persie or
Henandez should be more useful. Januraj is still very weak and can be pushed around easily.
In games like this, using Valencia would be more potent.
United looked nervous and ran out of ideals and urgently needs someone who is tactically good
to help them. Another potential choice is Ray Wilkins who as a pundit has pointed many flaws
in United play that the current team did not seem to know.

 

[olesmyhero]

Worrying thing is that something is obviously not right with the way we are playing but he can't seem to find a fix for it. In fact we look to be getting worse.

 

[Moriarty]

Moyes biggest mistake was when he got rid of Rene and Mike Phelan.
What have Steve Round and Phil Neville got that both of the previous guys
did not have? Very poor decision indeed to let them go.
I think he needs a Carlos Quieiros to help him out tactically.
Why play Henandez and Van Persie together when United always have
someone to play behind the main striker. Putting Kagawa behind Van Persie or
Henandez should be more useful. Januraj is still very weak and can be pushed around easily.
In games like this, using Valencia would be more potent.
United looked nervous and ran out of ideals and urgently needs someone who is tactically good
to help them. Another potential choice is Ray Wilkins who as a pundit has pointed many flaws
in United play that the current team did not seem to know.

You know what, that's not a bad call.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

A whole lot of nothing, as usual. George is getting upset.

He should be saying WE WILL make sure we perform better and win, not TRY TO.

 

[Raoul]

Worrying thing is that something is obviously not right with the way we are playing but he can't seem to find a fix for it. In fact we look to be getting worse.

Yep. One would have thought the Everton game would have created an atmosphere that resulted in us responding today. Troubling thing is the squad is reacting to adversity by getting worse. Not a good sign at all.

 

[Ronaldo's Mum Eh?]

Moyes biggest mistake was when he got rid of Rene and Mike Phelan.
What have Steve Round and Phil Neville got that both of the previous guys
did not have? Very poor decision indeed to let them go.
I think he needs a Carlos Quieiros to help him out tactically.
Why play Henandez and Van Persie together when United always have
someone to play behind the main striker. Putting Kagawa behind Van Persie or
Henandez should be more useful. Januraj is still very weak and can be pushed around easily.
In games like this, using Valencia would be more potent.
United looked nervous and ran out of ideals and urgently needs someone who is tactically good
to help them. Another potential choice is Ray Wilkins who as a pundit has pointed many flaws
in United play that the current team did not seem to know.

Why do you type your posts like it's a poem?

Anyways, this game need Januzaj - someone who's creative. The team was fine, the tactics weren't.