Oh boy, you guys are in big trouble. Even didn't think it would be this bad. I think you're stuck with him as well. Fergie won't let him be sacked this early.
Moyes So Far!
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Carrying on from what I said last night I don't think the way things are is all down to him.
I think he has been left with a squad that consists of players either past their best, players who aren't good enough or youngsters who are a few years off their peak. I think he was let down by Woodward in the summer.
I want to see Moyes build his own squad and his own side. I hope he is allowed time to do so and people don't get on his back too much - sadly I can't see it.
Having said that I wouldn't be surprised to see him go this week, I hope I'm wrong.
I think he has been left with a squad that consists of players either past their best, players who aren't good enough or youngsters who are a few years off their peak. I think he was let down by Woodward in the summer.
I want to see Moyes build his own squad and his own side. I hope he is allowed time to do so and people don't get on his back too much - sadly I can't see it.
Having said that I wouldn't be surprised to see him go this week, I hope I'm wrong.
I have said a couple of months ago that I wouldn't be surprised if we manage to get less points that Everton did under him. He had a team suited to his hoof the ball system, United isn't.
There's no way he's going to get sacked this season, even if he burns down Old Trafford. Fergie is stubborn, will want to save face and will stick with his final signing who is turning out to be a "djemba".
The 'do you want Moyes out?' thread has been locked? 
I just hope the Glazers aren't too afraid to go against Fergie and get rid, that said even SAF said we should be aiming for the title and must have realised by now that Moyes will get nowhere near.
The players are playing poorly but the buck stops with the manager and he's just not motivating or inspiring anyone around him right now. We need to cut our losses.
I just hope the Glazers aren't too afraid to go against Fergie and get rid, that said even SAF said we should be aiming for the title and must have realised by now that Moyes will get nowhere near.
The players are playing poorly but the buck stops with the manager and he's just not motivating or inspiring anyone around him right now. We need to cut our losses.
Another problem we face is if we do end up sacking Moyes, then who is actually available to take over?
Not good enough for this job. If we are going to get rid I hope we have the balls to do it now instead of waiting till the end of the season when it's too late. Not getting a Champions League spot will feck us over massively.
It seems an incredibly desperate opinion when you put it like that.
Funnily enough I've a sneaking suspicion some of the optimists desperate to deflect the attention from Moyes by pointing to the players were largely the same people shouting down negative opinions of our squad last season.
One of the main jobs of a manager is to manage the players. He doesn't just pick teams and have a biscuit.
Playing them on the wrong flanks took the cake. Janujaz is not a right winger and zaha not a left winger.
Moyes also played in the team not really strengthening its CM options. I don't think Woodward was acting without his consent.
He's lost the dressing room lads. It's clear as day. No fight from the players whatsoever.
It was incredibly stupid. Fergie said he'd made his mind up last Xmas that he wanted to retire - so why didn't we approach Guardiola?
Anyway, what's happened has happened - we're stuck with Moyes now.
Yeah but we were interested in Fellaini before he (Moyes) joined. Sadly Thiago wanted to play under Guardiola and well...Fabregas was out of reach. We settled for the cheapest option.
Looks a broken man devoid of ideas or solutions. The players look uninterested and somewhat misguided.
There is no style of play. Chance creation is at it's worst. We can't play possession football.
Nearly every top team out there other than Arsenal or Dortmund got a new manager this summer, so I refuse to accept that we should settle for a tough year because of a new manager. You're talking about a group of players who won the league at ease last season.
Sure, he's addressed an issue in midfield but other than pursuing Fabregas, signing Fellaini and perhaps trying to negotiate for Herrera on deadline day there hasn't been a great deal of noise about finding a solution. I think the club will be forced to overpay for another midfield signing in January because it's plainly obvious that we can't compete with anyone at the moment, particularly without Michael Carrick.
I'm also growing concerned at the future of Vidic, Rooney and who knows even van Persie. Two of them could eventually leave for nothing and the other is being playing when clearly unfit and looks to have no connection with his manager.
There is no style of play. Chance creation is at it's worst. We can't play possession football.
Nearly every top team out there other than Arsenal or Dortmund got a new manager this summer, so I refuse to accept that we should settle for a tough year because of a new manager. You're talking about a group of players who won the league at ease last season.
Sure, he's addressed an issue in midfield but other than pursuing Fabregas, signing Fellaini and perhaps trying to negotiate for Herrera on deadline day there hasn't been a great deal of noise about finding a solution. I think the club will be forced to overpay for another midfield signing in January because it's plainly obvious that we can't compete with anyone at the moment, particularly without Michael Carrick.
I'm also growing concerned at the future of Vidic, Rooney and who knows even van Persie. Two of them could eventually leave for nothing and the other is being playing when clearly unfit and looks to have no connection with his manager.
I didn't want him, especially as it was clear Jose was waiting for us but we are where we are and as much as I can't stand to see the team perform the way we are doing. We have to stand by him until the end of the season. There's nobody available to step in as manager now in any case. It's weird to see us like this and TBH before today I wanted him out but that would just be a very rash and harsh decision. That said I don't think we should give him any money in January. If he finishes in the top 4, back him in the summer. If he doesn't.....
We can only get better.... We need to get behind the team and the crowd.... When we were loosing, we should have been singing our hearts out, not sat with our heads in our hands.
We can only get better.... We need to get behind the team and the crowd.... When we were loosing, we should have been singing our hearts out, not sat with our heads in our hands.
I can't believe that I am sayng this, but actually for once I hope that those clowns Glazers overrule Fergie. feck, I feel disgusted to say that.
I blame the players. They clearly raised their game against Arsenal. And look at them since...
Some of the reaction on here is pathetic. Did you see the fans at OT, who were still applauding Moyes as he walked off, still backing the manager. We are going through a very tough phase, its especially tough for plastic fans who have only known success and have become especially spoilt which is showing with the comments of 'sack the manager'.
We need to get behind him and the team and they will come through this. The players are still there and Moyes can become good, We are not even half way through the season and people are already talking about getting rid of him like we're some relegation team, pathetic. Some fans on here need to ask do they support United or are just here for the nice and easy times?
We need to get behind him and the team and they will come through this. The players are still there and Moyes can become good, We are not even half way through the season and people are already talking about getting rid of him like we're some relegation team, pathetic. Some fans on here need to ask do they support United or are just here for the nice and easy times?
This may be the best solution. I honestly am trying my best to back him. I've took loads of abuse when I was in the newbies by continually defending him.
I can't do it anymore, I have no grounds to back him. He has given us nothing.
Is Djemba Djemba still playing? Maybe we should re-sign him, he'll solve our midfield problems!
Bielsa, Hiddink, Ole, Heynckes at the moment.
Prandelli, Simeone and some others on the summer.
Villa away next and if we put in a hard working shift we may be able to get out with a point at a difficult ground.
Getting a vote of confidence off Pardew 
fecking hell.
fecking hell.We are better away from home. We lost points only against top teams and an unfortunate late goal against Cardiff. At home, we have lots points now to a whole number of teams, good and bad. The players are feeling pressure. Everyone is nervous. Everyone lacks confidence. Everyone's heads and morale is down.
Somehow the players and manager need to see our support. The problem is deep right now. Cheering in the stands probably isn't enough. As much as the players are not performing and our manager is making mistakes, now isn't the time to start getting on their backs. They need to believe in themselves and the only way they'll do that is to know that we still
Believe in them.
I didn't have a problem with his appointment (I was in the mourinho camp, but happy with Moyes too). My main issue was the way he just dismantled the back room staff that had been the back bone to fergies success. People like Meulensteen, Eric Steele, dare I even say Phelan. Anyone who has played an ounce of decent level football knows how important these people are to the players. They had been here for years and had so much success, but he just up rooted the lot a fecked them off. I think that's been his biggest mistake.
To be honest, I feel at the moment that I couldn't care if he stayed or got sacked. United wont sack him, we're not the sort of club to make impulse decisions like that, and who would we replace him with? Mourinho was the only one big enough for the job but that ship has sailed.
Just going to have to sit and watch this season go by. I am worried though. We will be 8 points off of 4th by the end of the day. If we get no champions league next year, you can get used to the midfield we've got, as we wont be able to sign anyone who is better them. And if I were Wayne Rooney at the moment, with a contract up for renewal and at the peak of my career, I would be half thinking it's time to jump ship and see out my peak years at the very top with another club.
To be honest, I feel at the moment that I couldn't care if he stayed or got sacked. United wont sack him, we're not the sort of club to make impulse decisions like that, and who would we replace him with? Mourinho was the only one big enough for the job but that ship has sailed.
Just going to have to sit and watch this season go by. I am worried though. We will be 8 points off of 4th by the end of the day. If we get no champions league next year, you can get used to the midfield we've got, as we wont be able to sign anyone who is better them. And if I were Wayne Rooney at the moment, with a contract up for renewal and at the peak of my career, I would be half thinking it's time to jump ship and see out my peak years at the very top with another club.
I know there's the issue of availability of other managers, but I'm beginning to think what do we actually gain from keeping him? Honestly. A lot of damage has already been done but there's even the slightest chance we could still finish top 4 under another manager (say, Hiddink?) this season then we need to take that chance.
Even if we accept this will be a poor season and that's not a problem, there's absolutely no evidence that he's the man to rebuild this team and take us to the level we want to be, and not finishing top 4 this season will make that virtually impossible anyway.
Even if we accept this will be a poor season and that's not a problem, there's absolutely no evidence that he's the man to rebuild this team and take us to the level we want to be, and not finishing top 4 this season will make that virtually impossible anyway.
We just have to wait until the end of the year, its going to be long and difficult but we have to give him a year.
If we sack Moyes without giving him a chance then what follows; what happens when the one after him starts poorly? We will lose all hope of stability and the benefits that can bring in the long term.
If we sack Moyes without giving him a chance then what follows; what happens when the one after him starts poorly? We will lose all hope of stability and the benefits that can bring in the long term.
Nani should have come off for Anderson to allow Jones to sit deep and play a fluid 4-3-3. We'd have controlled the midfield and pressured high up the pitch, Newcastle wouldn't have had a sniff.
PLLLLLease! Fergie lost far better players than Carrick and he coped much better than this..
I don't think it makes sense to defend Moyes anymore in any way other way than "he needs time to adapt to the squad, and he will turn this around pretty fecking quickly!".
Get a grip of yourself
I think we'll need Moyes to do the decent thing if we want rid of him. Footballing decisions will be going thrugh Fergie and Charlton and they won't back down on their man.
What do people think Moyes got wrong today? He can't make clev and jones better midfielders and he didn't have anyone better to work with. Likewise he can't help rooney getting himself suspended for something stupid and RVP not being sharp at the same time as loosing his other number 10 to illness. They got a lucky break with their goal whilst we had some dangerous balls that we were unlucky people couldn't quite get there for. But the problem was in the middle and he really didn't have a better option to work with there. He got the sub for Zaha wrong that's the only real thing I can think off, and the obviuos mess up in the summer with Fellani. But that's been more of an issue because of Carrick's injury which easily could have happened in previous seasons where we'd have been equally as screwed.
I'm not panicking either. I'm just tired of hating the experience of watching united play. It's horrible football, it really is. And I hope we don't hurt the club by blindly sticking by the wrong man. Still not entirely sure what I want us to do
Chelsea don't look like world beaters, because they aren't a group of world beaters, but they don't look like they're genuinely disintegrating as a team, both in terms of football and character. They're pretty much playing to their potential and will be probably in and around there for most of the season before falling finishing 2rd or 3rd.
Phil Neville.
I'll forgive Moyes if he does a Chelsea (2 seasons ago) and wins the CL
And then Liverpool finishes 4th but misses out on CL qualification!
Is that too much to ask?
And then Liverpool finishes 4th but misses out on CL qualification!
Is that too much to ask?
What's worse than sacking a good manager before time? Letting a bad one make your decisions for you over time. And so far, Moyes doesn't look good. January can't come soon enough and let's hope he doesn't waste the money this time around.
With SAF around he's not going anywhere anytime soon IMO.
Ahhh but he's got great hair. Very iconic and marketable. But yeah...you're not wrong for being a bit terrified.
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