Dark dark days.... beginning to feel like the late 80s... Well at least times and music was good back then!
Moyes So Far!
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I want to know what's happening with his half time team talks. We resemble something like our old selves in the 1st half and then proceed to come out in the 2nd like he's told the players to go home. Not good enough. It's not the first time it's happened this season either.
music was good????
actually if we win the CL and get left behind...it would be like 1968...wont happen though.
what is frustrating is we could have made modest investments in midfield. Dembele and McCarty both for less than 20 million. And we would definitly only be about 3 or 4 points off the top at worst.
We can blame Woodward...anf rightly so. What was Moyes doing....? going after players who were never coming...and not paying the release clause price for the best option available (Herrera). Than paying more than it for Fellani...
simple incompetence.
The only thing with Moyes that would really worry me is that at the end of games, it is the other teams pushing for goals. Was it the West Brom game where Neville highlighted West Brom being all over United after United equalised? That would be worrying as that is new for United. Poor football and underperforming players can be sorted out once he has a season to judge players.
And thinking back to the 80s - I actually enjoyed being a United fan more than I did in the glory years.
The early 90s were sweet as it was great to be back on top but by the late 90s and onwards more and more fans just made United everything I hated about Liverpool before us.
I'm loving being lower in the table - I saw so many scousers unable to cope with their flop and it sorted the fans from those that knew no better.
It might take time but our fans need a good shake up.
Yup, Neville was saying how always after we equalize you see everyone is galvanized and we all like charge forward to close down... not this team.
I guess the real judgment should be reserved for when rvp, jones and carrick are back but this is interesting
http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9057830/F365-Says
http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9057830/F365-Says
Well, that is spot on.
To me the 70s and 80s were the golden age of music. Anyone with good music taste will tell you that.
Don't tell me you're a Justin Bieber/One direction fan boy. Omg.
Dembele and McCarthy are not bad but they are not United Standard. Moyes has to quickly learn what he has achieved at Everton is Nowhere near acceptable to what he has to achieve at United. Having said that, the owners and CEO better understand that if we are being the 5th (It's true) biggest spenders in the league, then we are going to end up 5th or worse.
Can I judge the line up now?
He's negative and has no balls.
Playing two 'defensive' players on the wings, at home, against Everton. Jesus.
Just because Valencia has turned shit on us doesn't make him a defensive tactic. He played and scored in the 5-0 for example in the basically the same front 4 we played today minus Nani. Welbeck over Nani was a poor decision, but I can't help but feel people are branding every poor decision a defensive one. Danny is a striker after all, just because Fergie and Moyes can't see he's not offering a lot on the left doesn't mean we're playing for a 0-0. We were hardly defensive, we had them pinned back for a good 25 minute spell in the first half where we could have scored with the chances we had.
People are branding Moyes's decisions poor because a) we're playing like dogshite and b) our results are horrific in the league.
The reason Valencia and Welbeck are picked on the wings is because they work hard, and they put in a shift. Its as clear as day. They're quite obviously not picked for there ability to get assists or goals. Its negative, and shows a lack of balls. Valencia's been getting away with shit performance after shit performance for nearly two years now, because he works hard.
I was arguing about people branding Moyes' poor decisions, defensive decisions..
Valencia for example, most of our attacking play goes through him. The fact that he's shit at it doesn't mean he's in the team primarily because he can defend, he's clearly expected to attack, carry our whole attacking threat even, which is probably a reason why we're so crap.
Sums it up. United would always come at you in the last 10 mins. Not this season.
The signs were there even during the first home game against Chelsea.
Mourinho subbed on his defenders and Mikel, holding on for a draw, from about the 60th minute.
Instead of going for the jugular, giving himself breathing space for the difficult trips to Liverpool and City - Moyes safed home a draw without putting any real pressure on Chelsea.
That's a defeatist attitude right there and it's continued ever since, the Stoke match being the notable exception.
Perfectly sums him up. If he played any combination of Rooney, Nani, Januzaj and/or Kagawa and got bad results, we'd still be pissed off but the majority would understand that he's trying to win and being brave.
He's terrified of losing, so we see the likes of Welbeck and Valencia. It's dull, unimagintive and cowardly.
The weird thing was today that he went from very little attacking intent to way too much. The match was open for most of the game and then suddenly he threw on Januzaj and Nani both at once, taking off Kagawa and a right back and we subsequently lost the slim bit of control we had; and became even more disjointed.
We had Rooney, Welbeck, Januzaj, Nani, Valencia, Giggs and Fellaini on the pitch by about the 65th minute, substituting Kagawa in the process who was a good option in possession. That's 2 strikers, 4 wingers and an immobile player who's used to playing further forward! It's always going to be difficult to stamp your authority against a possession based team like Everton with that amount of attacking players. Then eventually Welbeck came off and Hernandez came on, who only serves as a striker. I think it might have been different if he subbed Welbeck directly for one of Nani/Januzaj.
We had Rooney, Welbeck, Januzaj, Nani, Valencia, Giggs and Fellaini on the pitch by about the 65th minute, substituting Kagawa in the process who was a good option in possession. That's 2 strikers, 4 wingers and an immobile player who's used to playing further forward! It's always going to be difficult to stamp your authority against a possession based team like Everton with that amount of attacking players. Then eventually Welbeck came off and Hernandez came on, who only serves as a striker. I think it might have been different if he subbed Welbeck directly for one of Nani/Januzaj.
He's definitely had a career of being too safe and its already cost him 20 points this season.
If he can't make the transition from mid table mentality to league title winning mentality by next season, he has no excuses.
The constant selections of Valencia and Welbeck when fit are baffling. Not giving runs of games to Nani and Hernandez, also baffling.
The only saving grace is he's highlighted publicly a central midfield issue and has even said Fellaini might not be the solution. After tonights display I don't think we'll see that combination again. In a personnel point of view, I felt for Moyes and the options he had for midfield tonight. No manager in the world could find a winning formation against a top 4 contender with a choice of Cleverley Anderson Giggs and Fellaini with their current form, mentality and or age.
Like a broken record I'll continue to say, we're going through a huge identity crisis and we have absolutely no style of play. It all stems from the engine room...midfield.
If he can't make the transition from mid table mentality to league title winning mentality by next season, he has no excuses.
The constant selections of Valencia and Welbeck when fit are baffling. Not giving runs of games to Nani and Hernandez, also baffling.
The only saving grace is he's highlighted publicly a central midfield issue and has even said Fellaini might not be the solution. After tonights display I don't think we'll see that combination again. In a personnel point of view, I felt for Moyes and the options he had for midfield tonight. No manager in the world could find a winning formation against a top 4 contender with a choice of Cleverley Anderson Giggs and Fellaini with their current form, mentality and or age.
Like a broken record I'll continue to say, we're going through a huge identity crisis and we have absolutely no style of play. It all stems from the engine room...midfield.
At the end of the day, its only 6 more wins needed for 40 points.
the biggest worry under Moyes is the amount of late goals we are conceeding - I dont know if it is a mental thing for the players or something tactical but it is happening far too often and cost us many points already.
we are still lacking consistency in the line up - we have a different midfield pairing nearly every week but some of that is forced due to injury/suspension TBF.
we are still lacking consistency in the line up - we have a different midfield pairing nearly every week but some of that is forced due to injury/suspension TBF.
Martinez did what Moyes failed to do. Moyes had been holding back Everton it seemed. He is now holding us back.
He just is too negative - his changes were a desperate attempt from going too negative to too attack minded and it failed when our rightback Valencia was wanting.
He just is too negative - his changes were a desperate attempt from going too negative to too attack minded and it failed when our rightback Valencia was wanting.
After the abysmal Cardiff game, we played much better against Leverkusen and Spurs. I felt a lot more optimistic with the results, and more importantly, of how we played: high tempo, good pressing, clinical, and played with the arrogance of a big team.
Now with this Everton game, it feels like we make one step forward, then one backward. We're back to square one.
Maybe we need to play that Champions League song, before every game?
Now with this Everton game, it feels like we make one step forward, then one backward. We're back to square one.
Maybe we need to play that Champions League song, before every game?
How long have you been watching football? That first paragraph is fecking retarded beyond belief. Go away and do a bit of research on Everton.
Everton are playing far better under Martinez than they ever did under Moyes. Has Moyes beaten United at OT?
Wake up and see the laughing stock Moyes is turning United into.
Did you miss that the last time Everton beat us at Old Trafford was 1991? So a good 10 year period existed before Moyes where they never won as well. Or the fact that Martinez is using mostly Moyes squad or that Moyes took a struggling Everton and solidified them. They became a top half of the table team who challenged for European football.
You also forget that consistency is the mark of a great manager and Martinez has got Everton playing good football for what 13 games? Yeah, he's a legend alright.
Give me a break. Moyes isn't doing a good job at the moment but he deserves more respect for his time at Everton.
The big problem with Moyes is that if he didn't get off to a good start, the media narratives questioning him would eventually snowball to insurmountable levels to where it would become disruptive to the club. Indeed, we're probably well over half way there. If he loses another game or two in the coming weeks, it will become deafening. The fact that Martinez's Everton are outperforming Moyes' United is not good. People simply aren't going to accept mediocrity here.
I'll feel more comfortable judging Moyes on his second season here. He either doesn't know how he wants us to play, which is unlikely, or doesn't have the necessary players at his disposal. Even though we'll likely have no Champions League football next season, we have to allow Moyes build his Manchester United side.
He already had enough time to build his own squad this Summer, and the squad he inherited wasn't shabby either having just won the title. So if he fails to get us to at least a champions league spot this season, I would not risk another season with him.
There is no excuse for him not buying the players he needed this Summer (if he needed them that bad), and there is no excuse for finishing lower than 4th with the squad he already has.
If he doesn't get champions league then he needs to go.
Some top reds want us to turn into Liverpool. We have better squad than Spurs and Liverpool, if Moyes can't get a champions league spot then he needs to go.
Do we think RVP and Rooney want to stay around with no champions league? Don't think so. And we struggle to attract players with champions league football. We'd get nobody without it.
Some top reds want us to turn into Liverpool. We have better squad than Spurs and Liverpool, if Moyes can't get a champions league spot then he needs to go.
Do we think RVP and Rooney want to stay around with no champions league? Don't think so. And we struggle to attract players with champions league football. We'd get nobody without it.
They say new manager probably needs longer time, but it seems it wasn't much an issue for teams like Bayern, Real, or Chelsea ,City, or even Everton.
Notice how all those managers have gotten their new teams to play to their styles .
Yet some fans think Moyes is suddenly going to turn us into Brazil 1970.
[quote "RedRonaldo, post: 14602831, member: 6640"]They say new manager probably needs longer time, but it seems it wasn't much an issue for teams like Bayern, Real, or Chelsea ,City, or even Everton.[/quote]
This is my biggest gripe with moyes.
This is my biggest gripe with moyes.
While Moyes was great for Everton, I do think they also needed a change of manager if they wanted to reach the next level. I thought that Moyes had reached his peak with them and wasn't able to improve them much more, but did a great job to get them there.
I like the manager he is... he needs time...
Just seen some of the comments he's been making about Everton. What a condescending tosser he (still) is.
You want a mirror for that, moyesy?
"Everton fans see a direction that their team is going in but they need to remember I signed a lot of them"
"But to be fair to him Roberto is doing a really good job keeping things going at Everton"
"I told Roberto that I left such an organised team behind that they could play without a manager and still win"
You want a mirror for that, moyesy?
When did he say that?
That's quite uncanny. And like you said, he's inherited the league champions (squad), so it's not exactly the brightest thing to say.When did he say that?
before the game.
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