Moyes So Far!

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The only thing you can defend him on is other managers taking over teams got more than one player they wanted and the one we got was 2nd or 3rd on the list anyway. So in that sense he's not been able to add his touch...but when he's taking over a group who are the Premier League champions, sorry he has to do better than dropping 20 points in the first 14 games.

If we maintain the form of the first 14 games we'll hit 60 points this season. Now that's a hypothetical mathematical point of view but it's worrying.
 
Sarni said:
We've spent a lot of money over the years. Not their fault it went on wrong players repetitively.
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Not compared to the money that was earned by the club. I think the second half of your post if daft - yeah, Fergie made a few bad signings, but overall it wasn't worse than what you'd expect. We've generally got some good players for the money we spent.
 
OneUnited24 said:
But how much time, granted people will say SAF didn't start off to well but A) it was a different time and B) a lot of what he was doing wasn't going to transfer directly into results on the pitch (ie building up the youth set up and getting most of his first 11 sober)

If he had shown anything which made me think "hes showing signs of promise" i'd be willing to give him more time. But sadly I've not seen it
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More than 4 months.

You saw no signs during us dicking on Leverkusen 5-0 ?
 
Perhaps the decision to change the entire backroom staff was a bad idea. I understand Moyes wanting to use the people he's worked with for years, but after one person is in charge for 26 years you can't change everything in a few months. Should have kept things the same, gotten used to life as United manager, then once he got comfortable with the task at hand bring in his staff.
 
I think we lost a grip on this game when Kagawa went left

How Welbeck played 80 minutes baffles me

Moyes luck will change - one of those efforts in the first half goes in and its a totally different game

Apart from that header against the crossbar we didn't work Howard in the second half apart from a couple of long range efforts

Was happy with Fellaini though, he played reasonably well I thought and Rooney looks like he needs the break he'll get with his suspension


Our next few signings will be crucial for Moyes - we need a couple of special players
 
Stobzilla said:
More than 4 months.

You saw no signs during us dicking on Leverkusen 5-0 ?
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Ah yes pick the one game this season where we've battered someone and use it as the rule rather than the exception.

Oh and when we lost to City we managed to get on the score sheet and we didn't concede 6! Things are definitely looking good... See that argument can be used for any result.

On the whole I was expecting Moyes to bring something different to United, maybe improve our pressing game (a bit like it was at Everton) or improve certain players fitness but all I've seen is more of the same and I refuse to believe it was all down to SAF's brilliant management. I just think Moyes cant get the best out of his players.
 
Decotron said:
state of this place tonight.

The spoilt generation, never seen anything but success.

If anyone seriously thinks we'd sack a manager in the current circumstances they don't really know the club at all.
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Ah now. Talk of sacking him is stupid (particularly as we'd struggle to find a quality manager in December), but it's not spoilt to think we should be better than 9th place at this stage. It'd be stupid not to be concerned, this is quite bad. Moyes deserves a lot of criticism right now.
 
Decotron said:
state of this place tonight.

The spoilt generation, never seen anything but success.

If anyone seriously thinks we'd sack a manager in the current circumstances they don't really know the club at all.
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Agree totally but one thing I have wondered is what the Glazers reaction would be if this continued? I'd imagine champions lg football is paramount to their business plan.
 
moyesmyhero said:
Perhaps the decision to change the entire backroom staff was a bad idea. I understand Moyes wanting to use the people he's worked with for years, but after one person is in charge for 26 years you can't change everything in a few months. Should have kept things the same, gotten used to life as United manager, then once he got comfortable with the task at hand bring in his staff.
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Can understand it, but this was the staff that also didn't win anything. Sir Alex's staff knew about winning.
 
OneUnited24 said:
Ah yes pick the one game this season where we've battered someone and use it as the rule rather than the exception.

Oh and when we lost to City we managed to get on the score sheet and we didn't concede 6! Things are definitely looking good... See that argument can be used for any result.

On the whole I was expecting Moyes to bring something different to United, maybe improve our pressing game (a bit like it was at Everton) or improve certain players fitness but all I've seen is more of the same and I refuse to believe it was all down to SAF's brilliant management. I just think Moyes cant get the best out of his players.
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You said you had seen no signs I pointed out a recent example of where I had seen signs. I also saw signs during us Dismissing Norwich in the cup, our victory on the opening day, away at Fulham beating Arsenal at home and have seen bright spots in performances that have yielded ultimately poor results at the end of them.
 
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If a manager has ever wanted a transfer window to open.....
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lem8sh said:
Agree totally but one thing I have wondered is what the Glazers reaction would be if this continued? I'd imagine champions lg football is paramount to their business plan.
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I don't think it's the winning trophies, we all knew that might not happen this season, there was bound to be turmoil. It's the style of play and apathy of the players. No one would have been expecting us to be this bad. They are playing like they have no energy. I thought David Moyes teams were well known for being super fit.
 
Stobzilla said:
You said you had seen no signs I pointed out a recent example of where I had seen signs. I also saw signs during us Dismissing Norwich in the cup, our victory on the opening day, away at Fulham and have seen bright spots in performances that have yielded ultimately poor results at the end of them.
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Maybe i'll correct myself, had we shown anything in larger spells over the past 6 months I would be more content. 30 good minutes here and there isn't really what I was hoping for.

To sum up when its been great this season its been good and when its been bad its woeful
 
sullydnl said:
It's unfair to sack Moyes after just three months
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Can we please try to use stats in a correct way. Moyes has been our manager for a bit more than five months and he had another two months before it to identify and to plan things for the next season. I don't believe that he went into a sleep from May to first of June. So pretty much 7 months (and 5 active months) to at-least have an idea how he plans things to go. Until now all we have seen is the sack of the entire coaching staff and replacing them by Everton staff, the signing of Fellaini, the pursuit of Baines, us getting even more reliant on wingers and hoofing the ball more than ever.

Not enough time to make a definite judgement, but not three months either.
 
buckooo1978 said:
I think we lost a grip on this game when Kagawa went left

How Welbeck played 80 minutes baffles me

Moyes luck will change - one of those efforts in the first half goes in and its a totally different game

Apart from that header against the crossbar we didn't work Howard in the second half apart from a couple of long range efforts

Was happy with Fellaini though, he played reasonably well I thought and Rooney looks like he needs the break he'll get with his suspension


Our next few signings will be crucial for Moyes - we need a couple of special players
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Some perspective, cheers.
 
I could defo see Moyes being replaced by Martinez come the end of the season if we don't make the top 4 which looks increasingly more and more likely with each passing game.....The sad thing is that we are still struggling to beat teams in the bootom half of the table at home even when we have all our first teamers available
 
Revan said:
Can we please try to use stats in a correct way. Moyes has been our manager for a bit more than five months and he had another two months before it to identify and to plan things for the next season. I don't believe that he went into a sleep from May to first of June. So pretty much 7 months (and 5 active months) to at-least have an idea how he plans things to go. Until now all we have seen is the sack of the entire coaching staff and replacing them by Everton staff, the signing of Fellaini, the pursuit of Baines, us getting even more reliant on wingers and hoofing the ball more than ever.

Not enough time to make a definite judgement, but not three months either.
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Ha, fair enough. It's unfair to sack Moyes after just five months, then.
 
Ringo 07 said:
I could defo see Moyes being replaced by Martinez come the end of the season if we don't make the top 4 which looks increasingly more and more likely with each passing game.....The sad thing is that we are still struggling to beat teams in the bootom half of the table at home even when we have all our first teamers available
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:lol:
 
Finishing fourth would be a massive achievement from where we are now. Pretty much ready to give up on this season already. This is likely to be the first Premier League season in which Man Utd finish below third place.
 
Thinking about it, he's probably going to take the League Champions into the Europa League, just my opinion. I'm finding it very difficult to see who'll we overtake for a Champions League spot.

Arsenal - They're not dropping out of the top four, they're probably going to win the league.
Chelsea - Nope, not with Mourinho in charge.
City - Unless their poor away form continues in a big way, which it probably won't considering they won away tonight, then they're in.
Liverpool - The weakest of the current top four and capable of bottling it but currently, they're much better than us.

and then there's the other dark horses like Everton and Spurs.
 
We need to try and finish 3rd. Finishing 4th means we have to negotiate a tricky playoff to get to the Champions league group stages. I really wonder what the players think of his appointment.
 
I repeat for the second time: those so cocksure about us getting fourth, changed your tune yet? A nothing manager.
 
mic.m said:
We need to try and finish 3rd. Finishing 4th means we have to negotiate a tricky playoff to get to the Champions league group stages. I really wonder what the players think of his appointment.
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The qualifiers would not be really tricky, because United would be one of the top seeds and thus get a normally easy opponent. Finishing the season on fourth place will be way harder from here on out than beating a club on the level of a PL mid tier club over two legs.
 
I'm really starting to wonder if Moyes' fitness first training methods have alot to do with our poor showings.

While it has paid huge dividends for Rooney and should do the same for Anderson, I've noticed alot of our players appear knackered after 80 minutes and we've suffered from lapses of concentration leading to late goals. I'm not one of those people who think Queiroz or Rene were God-like figures, but they were all about technique and skills, and while we have criticized our football under them at times, at least we were usually able to maintain possesion and create chances with essentially the same core group of players, which has only happened a few times under Moyes.

I could be wrong because I don't know what goes on in training, but watching Vidic today near the end of the game and seeing whats happening with Rio, leads me to believe there's a reason more than age catching up to them. I absolutely refuse to believe that Rio went from brilliant to shit in the span of 3 months. The fact that he's now playing on a Giggs schedule when just last season he was pretty much playing every week, shows he's being mismanaged somehow.
 
He's exceeded my low expectations, he's utterly shite.

Stop being stubborn, he ain't Fergie, so no reason to persist with mediocrity in the idiotic belief that it may yield success, this is a matter of cutting your losses and getting rid.
 
Moyes has to earn the faith and respect of these players who have proven themselves by winning multiple titles. The only thing Moyes is proving is utter ineptitude.

Absolute nightmare to see the team playing so abysmally and being entirely out of contention for the title. Patience is fine, but Moyes has done nothing to earn patience from neither fans nor players. If we persist with Moyes, we can expect a campaign in the Europa League next season, which I am certain the usual suspects will glorify as an exciting new challenge.
 
Sphaero said:
The qualifiers would not be really tricky, because United would be one of the top seeds and thus get a normally easy opponent. Finishing the season on fourth place will be way harder from here on out than beating a club on the level of a PL mid tier club over two legs.
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An upset is a great possibility. The playoff would be tricky not because of the strength of the opposition but because Moyes will still be manager.
 
One of the big questions I have (of many...) is, say if Moyes gets the time, and brings in the players he wants to build the squad he wants... what type of side will they be, and what kind of football will they play? I currently don't have a clue... and I'm not sure if he does either.
 
Forget tactics, he's making near-indefensible squad management decisions.

Granted like many people have said he's inherited another manager's set-up, but one would tend to think that a top-class manager would be more than capable of handling a transition a bit better than this.
 
hungrywing said:
Forget tactics, he's making near-indefensible squad management decisions.

Granted like many people have said he's inherited another manager's set-up, but one would tend to think that a top-class manager would be more than capable of handling a transition a bit better than this.
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It seems to me that he hasn't got a clue about the ability of our squad hence his "so they tell me" comments. Surely from being Everton manager he would have watched enough of our games down the years and done enough analysis to know every one of our players inside out? I mean most of us United fans know Everton's players inside out from watching them on TV.
 
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