Moyes So Far!

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crappycraperson said:
Moyes does not escape complete responsibility for the state of the MF. He did buy a 28m player who is supposed to be a midfielder.
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Agree totally. I remember being cut down here back in September when I said if his failure to buy the right midfielder costs him his job then he has no one to blame but himself. I still feel the same for all that I hope he gets time. The Fellaini signing was tragic and not what we needed and not a signing that improved us slightly.
 
It's not solely about picking correct players, manager's job is also to prepare players for games, choose correct tactics and do his homework in terms of getting to know the opposition. He must be doing something wrong for us to be so incredibly crap.
 
Sixpence said:
We all know it should have been Jose. He had earned the job through his success and has managed huge clubs around the world. Moyes earned it by being Scottish I think.
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I want to agree with this with my head...but my heart hates it...
 
The worst thing I could say about Moyes is I don't currently look forward to our games, I dread them. I'm all for him being given time but if we don't finish in the top 4 it will be a disaster. He looks out of his depth and we don't seem to be improving. I suppose we can only go up from here though. 9th place after 14 games...
 
OneUnited24 said:
Yeah fans who are questioning whether we'll make the top four after months of poor performances with virtually no improvement... Those pesky glory hunting fans...
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Fans wanting to replace a man who has been charged with replacing the greatest club manager ever and thinking 3 months with a board arsing around in the transfer window is adequate ?

Yeah...those cnuts.
 
Paddy Wong Un 147 said:
Can blame Moyes all we like, and some will. But the Glazers are at the top of the tree. Think of the midfielders we could have signed. Could have had dozens of them...
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Yeah so Glazers who have no clue about football should identify and sign midfielders.
 
Paddy Wong Un 147 said:
Can blame Moyes all we like, and some will. But the Glazers are at the top of the tree. Think of the midfielders we could have signed. Could have had dozens of them...
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They paid 27.5 million pounds for someone. He had an open cheque book...
 
Think about it moyes took his entire coaching team from Everton to united so Martinez had to bring in his coaching staff to Everton , who has improved considerably ? I think that moyes has fecked up massively by trusting people that just can't cut it at the top level , but a manager won't change his coaches so I think he may be goosed if he had kept the coaches that SAF had we would be in a totally different position and he has created pressure on himself .
 
Stobzilla said:
Fans wanting to replace a man who has been charged with replacing the greatest club manager ever and thinking 3 months with a board arsing around in the transfer window is adequate ?

Yeah...those cnuts.
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So because we had one manager for 26 years we're supposed to give Moyes more time? We should just judge him as any other club would - by his results.
 
Would be the most silver-f*cking lining imaginable if we turned this negativity back into the 'Glazers out' movement. They are the real reason we're so far behind - because we spend less! It's dull and boring and annoying but completely true.

It's possible that Liverpool will overtake us on wages this year (very close last year). City and Chelsea are miles out ahead of us, and Barca and Real are another mile ahead of them.
 
He seems so afraid of losing that it hampers his motivation to win. Playing some absolutely dreadful football at the moment.

It has to be said though, a lot of players are letting him down big time.
 
Everton used to spend the first half of the season in midtable then would show form too late in the second half. Moyes might have brought that with him.
 
Guys, guys, we're only 18 points away from the magic 40. We'll be fine.
 
Stobzilla said:
Fans wanting to replace a man who has been charged with replacing the greatest club manager ever and thinking 3 months with a board arsing around in the transfer window is adequate ?

Yeah...those cnuts.
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But its always the same routine on here, people question the manager and others come on here to look down on them for not being "Top-Reds". If any true United fan isn't the slightest bit concerned with our current position and if some of them aren't questioning whether Moyes is the right man for the job then I think they are blinded by their own rose-tinted glasses.

At the end of the day i'd like to see him do well here but its a man who has no major trophies to his name and always seemed to set his sides out not to lose rather than win. And in his, albeit, brief time at United I get the same vibe and I personally don't like to see that in a United team so i'll voice my concerns.
 
Stobzilla said:
You don't think there needs to be some context ?

We aren't in the same position as "any other" club
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Nope. He was left with a team that won the league last season and we shouldn't all of a sudden lower our expectations because he isn't Ferguson. Should we play Bebe in the first team because no one will be as good as Ronaldo anyway?
 
Most people have lowered expectations since Moyes took over. We're 8th and the season is coming to the half way mark by the end of the month, surely no one is expecting people to lower expectations that much!
 
Sarni said:
Yeah so Glazers who have no clue about football should identify and sign midfielders.
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Bled the club dry. It sounds strange, but when people are blaming Moyes it makes me think of what the Glazers have done and how blameless Moyes really is in this situation. Of course he holds some responsibility; he's the manager of Manchester United and has been for a good few months now. But if we're talking about United's downfall, he ain't the fella to blame.

 
Sarni said:
So because we had one manager for 26 years we're supposed to give Moyes more time? We should just judge him as any other club would - by his results.
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Exactly! Ferguson himself was close to being sacked but was only kept on because Bobby Charlton saw what he was doing with the youth academy. Otherwise, just based on results, Fergie would have been gone. We are all hoping that Moyes will miraculously come good if we give him a few seasons, but he's managing the reigning champions here, not the United of 26 years ago.
 
Stobzilla said:
Fans wanting to replace a man who has been charged with replacing the greatest club manager ever and thinking 3 months with a board arsing around in the transfer window is adequate ?

Yeah...those cnuts.
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As much as I think it's too soon to contemplate getting rid of Moyes, it's daft to simply blame the board of "arsing around". If Moyes didn't want Fellaini, then he wouldn't have spent the ridiculous money we did on him. The board might not be as generous as some clubs, but money was there and it wasn't spent in the right place. Moyes must take at least some blame for that.

And even without a lot of money to spend, there's no excuse for a title winning side to be lingering in mid-table as the halfway point nears.
 
OneUnited24 said:
But its always the same routine on here, people question the manager and others come on here to look down on them for not being "Top-Reds". If any true United fan isn't the slightest bit concerned with our current position and if some of them aren't questioning whether Moyes is the right man for the job then I think they are blinded by their own rose-tinted glasses.

At the end of the day i'd like to see him do well here but its a man who has no major trophies to his name and always seemed to set his sides out not to lose rather than win. And in his, albeit, brief time at United I get the same vibe and I personally don't like to see that in a United team.
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It is a bit concerning but he needs to be given time. Simple.
 
Paddy Wong Un 147 said:
Bled the club dry. It sounds strange, but when people are blaming Moyes it makes me think of what the Glazers have done and how blameless Moyes really is in this situation. Of course he holds some responsibility; he's the manager of Manchester United and has been for a good few months now. But if we're talking about United's downfall, he ain't the fella to blame.

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They approved spending £28m on a midfielder in the Summer. Not their fault it was Fellaini.
 
Mel_F said:
Exactly! Ferguson himself was close to being sacked but was only kept on because Bobby Charlton saw what he was doing with the youth academy. Otherwise, just based on results, Fergie would have been gone. We are all hoping that Moyes will miraculously come good if we give him a few seasons, but he's managing the reigning champions here, not the United of 26 years ago.
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Yes and we cannot keep him forever just because it worked out with Ferguson. Under normal circumstances a manager who starts off poorly doesn't improve over time, Ferguson was an exception not a rule.
 
Sarni said:
Nope. He was left with a team that won the league last season and we shouldn't all of a sudden lower our expectations because he isn't Ferguson. Should we play Bebe in the first team because no one will be as good as Ronaldo anyway?
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I expect Moyes to be successful, I am realistic enough to know it won't happen right away.
 
It's unfair to sack Moyes after just three months (not to mention slightly hypocritical after all the time we spent sneering at clubs who showed a similar lack of patience with their own managerial appointments).

That said, you'd have to be a moron not to be concerned atm. Moyes deserves a chance to get things right but that doesn't mean he doesn't also deserve a massive amount of criticism for the state we're currently in. Can hardly complain about people overreacting when we're in 9th place ffs.
 
He'll get til we know what kind of position we're going to end up in from me. I didn't want him in the first place, it was a silly decision and even the posters that try really hard to be sensible and come across level-headed couldn't persuade me otherwise with their cries of 'well if Fergie chose him it must be right'.

I'll keep backing him for now as I have been doing since I came to terms with his signing but he needs to start earning it. Losing to your own team with their best player on your new team isn't the way to do it.
 
Sarni said:
Yeah so Glazers who have no clue about football should identify and sign midfielders.
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No, they should make more of the money the club generate available for transfers so we actually have a chance to get a proper midfielder. Do you honestly believe Ferguson was happy with the central midfield for his last years? Do you think the central midfield (or any other position on the pitch, for that matter) would be in such poor state pre-Glazer?
 
state of this place tonight.

The spoilt generation, never seen anything but success.

If anyone seriously thinks we'd sack a manager in the current circumstances they don't really know the club at all.
 
Stobzilla said:
I expect Moyes to be successful, I am realistic enough to know it won't happen right away.
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If he can't get results with a team that won the league at a canter what does he need to improve?
 
Sarni said:
Nope. He was left with a team that won the league last season and we shouldn't all of a sudden lower our expectations because he isn't Ferguson. Should we play Bebe in the first team because no one will be as good as Ronaldo anyway?
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I thonk there's a middle ground though. Yes we shouldn't expect standards to drop too much and he's obviously made some mistakes as he's tried to find his feet but at the same time a lot of the issues, primarily the cm have been an issue for such a long time and it's not a problem that's easily solvable without spending big cash and then you have to hope the player settles.

But that one area is having such a big impact, offensively we're loosing drive in the team and for me I think we're trying to ensure we have enough workers in the team which is then further impacting attacking threat, defensively we look open, again we're not getting enough cover in the middle and so that impacts the defenders but also the attackers who have to help cover more.

Additionally the attack has been an issue for a while in that it feels like it's lacking. There's not enough variety to it or genuine cutting edge, we've got the strikers but doesn't feel we create anywhere near enough.

Then you add the pure fact that City underperformed last year, Arsneal, Chelsea, spurs liverpool and everton have all strengthened and in general it feels like most the rest of the league has gotten pretty tough and it all adds up. I think we just need to get through to the summer, ensure we get CL and win a cup and then properly strengthen for the summer
 
Stobzilla said:
It is a bit concerning but he needs to be given time. Simple.
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But how much time, granted people will say SAF didn't start off to well but A) it was a different time and B) a lot of what he was doing wasn't going to transfer directly into results on the pitch (ie building up the youth set up and getting most of his first 11 sober)

If he had shown anything which made me think "hes showing signs of promise" i'd be willing to give him more time. But sadly I've not seen it. We all laughed at Rafas time at Inter but I think what Moyes has managed here is worse...
 
Sarni said:
Yes and we cannot keep him forever just because it worked out with Ferguson. Under normal circumstances a manager who starts off poorly doesn't improve over time, Ferguson was an exception not a rule.
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It was a different world back then. Their was no CL so finishing outside the top four wasnt the end of the world. Now its just so important for a club not bankrolled to be in the CL. Does anybody seriously think RVP would have signed for us if we werent in the CL? Or De Gea? No chance.
 
I said as soon as I saw the team sheet that we would lose. I knew it and I'm sure a lot of people did too.
Giggs and Fellaini, it doesn't matter how well they play it's asking for trouble. Valencia, Kagawa and Wellbeck. Never going to work. Wellbeck comes inside and crowds Kagawa's space so we push Kagawa out wide and he's shit. Valencia just has no talent. Wow he runs.
Evra is just rubbish defensively as it is.

Low and behold we actually looked decent when we had real wide players with an attacking threat on the pitch. The way it should be. We were never going to beat Everton though.
 
Wowi said:
No, they should make more of the money the club generate available for transfers so we actually have a chance to get a proper midfielder. Do you honestly believe Ferguson was happy with the central midfield for his last years? Do you think the central midfield (or any other position on the pitch, for that matter) would be in such poor state pre-Glazer?
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We've spent a lot of money over the years. Not their fault it went on wrong players repetitively.
 
Sarni said:
They approved spending £28m on a midfielder in the Summer. Not their fault it was Fellaini.
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Not just that. Fellaini isn't a £28m midfielder, regardless of what we spent. Woodward holds some responsibility, but even while Fergie was here we'd not signed a midfielder in six years. The squad was just barely being strengthened enough to stay competitive since 2009.
 
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