I understand a new manager needs time but this is ridiculous, I didn't want him in the summer and he's not shown me a single thing to change my mind.
Moyes So Far!
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Players' form is likely down to Moyes as well. Changing training and coaching drastically for the sake of regime change is damaging the team. There's no excuse for all of the changes he made. Nicky Butt, Phil Neville, and Ryan Giggs as coaches might sounds nice, but it's a far cry from the quality backroom staff we had under Fergie.
Perhaps so yes. He needs time. Won't get it though I don't think.
Change the thread title. Moyes out. I've had enough.
I said I'd be happy with how Moyes was doing so far if we had clawed back ground on the leaders by January. Doesn't look like that's gonna happen, we're realistically out of the title race and it's only December.
Obviously Moyes isn't going anywhere but he can hardly complain about the pressure he'll be under now. For all the pressures of the job and the weaknesses in the squad, Moyes is massively underperforming. 8th in the league, 12 points behind, a goal difference of something like +4? Nowhere near good enough. Things are bad.
Obviously Moyes isn't going anywhere but he can hardly complain about the pressure he'll be under now. For all the pressures of the job and the weaknesses in the squad, Moyes is massively underperforming. 8th in the league, 12 points behind, a goal difference of something like +4? Nowhere near good enough. Things are bad.
This is just a cheap excuse - failure to bring players is the reason the champions are 12 points off the top? You can bring in the whole of Barcelona & Real Madrid, under this manager they would achieve the same output. Moyes is out of his depth. The substitutions were simply piss poor. No heart, no bravery, no tactical brilliance.
He's not going to be sacked, lets face it - but I think we all know deep down he's not the man for the job.
The only thing that can be said in Moyes defence after these results is that we were actually around this shit last year, but we had RvP in world class form.
We didn't dominate. Everton had like 70% possession at one stage in the second half. We didn't even have a shot after they scored.
Moyes has been very poor so far. I don't agree with sacking him, but I really don't see him getting much better. If anything I can only see it getting worse.
Leaving Welbeck on and taking Kagawa off was nothing short of moronic.
Leaving Welbeck on and taking Kagawa off was nothing short of moronic.
What I really don't like is how many points we've lost late on under him. Cardiff, Southampton, today. It's pathetic.
United used to actually win games late on. Nowadays we look shit in the last 10.
United used to actually win games late on. Nowadays we look shit in the last 10.
He doesn't help himself with some of his choices. Welbeck was awful at the weekend on the left, was awful tonight yet was left on when he was seemingly the obvious the choice to go off for Nani. Things are hard enough as it is, stop making them fecking worse.
Fact is: Everton have improved after he left. United have become shit after he became manager.
We're well out of the title race already. Arsenal, Chelsea and City have the first three spots sewn up and so we'll be fighting for Pool and Spurs for fourth.
Today it was like watching an Everton match against United. Just that the teams were swapped.
The first victory of Everton at OT since Moyes became Everton's manager.
Moyes has to take the blame, regardless of how average our squad is, but picking Wellbeck when he was piss poor last week is poor management.
We're out of the title race, thats for sure! 4th would be a blessing at this stage.
My real worry is the next transfer window. Will we be able to attract the top quality players and more importantly, will we be able to keep our top quality players like Rooney and RVP??
My real worry is the next transfer window. Will we be able to attract the top quality players and more importantly, will we be able to keep our top quality players like Rooney and RVP??
Fergie factor mate, plus injuries to Carrick and RVP haven't helped. Big factor is that other clubs have improved in the summer, we haven't. At all.
The football we are playing is fecking pre-historic. That's down to coaching not the players.
Injuries to Carrick and RVP haven't helped. Like I said earlier I think the teams around us have improved while we just stood still.
Plus the football is not good enough, we are tactically inept and offer nothing in terms of penetration.
Also, why does he persist in playing Valencia, a raw Zaha is better than him.
Also, why does he persist in playing Valencia, a raw Zaha is better than him.
No semblance of a game plan most of the time. No change to tempo during games. He just picks a team then sends it out. We may not be world beaters but that squad of players shouldn't be sitting where they are and that is down to Moyes.
Vidic,RVP,Carrick-three key players last year are all 30 plus. We cant expect them to play 3 games a week
Genuinely think I could have done a better job than him since he took over.
His still learning, he's hopefully going to make it here but my god has it been unencouraging .
His still learning, he's hopefully going to make it here but my god has it been unencouraging .
The fact that Everton look signficantly better since he left suggests that he was actually holding them back rather than doing an amazing job there.
How average? I don't believe our squad is not good enough to be in top4.
It is definitely better than Liverpool's, Spurs' and Everton's.
I think it is on par with Chelsea as well.
At the end of the day the wrong man was picked for the job. That's not his fault, it's the boards. Why we went with a manager who had no experience of winning anything I just don't know. It's illogical but we are stuck with him now. Someone in the match day thread said it's almost like asking a plumber to do a surgeons job and to be honest that is bang on really. We have the wrong man for the job maybe he will come good in the end but it won't be pretty getting there.
He is not getting the best out of the players at his disposal and at a club at utd you cant go too long doing that...is he going to use the excuse of not signing a playmaker as the reason we will be average until next june when some players could be available.....we've turned into a hoofball team that can't even dominate teams in the bottom half of the table at home...he simply has to go if we dont make the top 4 this season
He should have tried taking the underperforming winger Valencia off and leaving the actual right back on the pitch. That way he would have had all those attacking players on the pitch and a real right back in his position.
I don't think that Moyes is the man to take this club forward. He will be taking us somewhere though.
The only reason Everton look better is because they have a 20m striker for free. Very similar otherwise, they've played that well against us numerous times.
Moyes doesn't have a squad of a true European 'giant' team. He doesn't, no matter how much we try and shine positive lights on it. And it's not his squad. I think we look exactly the same as last season, but now we're not getting the 'luck' that came with Fergie.
The only key difference - and Moyes does have to take hte blame for this - is conceding 3 times in the last 5 minutes. That is unacceptable, and needs to get wiped out.
But our boring, static, 'zombie' play has been this way for 3 years.
True - I feel for Moyes I really do, he seems like a decent bloke but like you said, he just aint cut out for this role.
But United won't get rid of him this season, so we're stuck with him i'm afraid
It's a very very good squad.
As for Moyes, his performance this season has been so poor. Whether in the transfer market or how the team looks to be coached, nothing has been impressive. He also makes some odd decisions like starting the worse wingers and bringing on the better ones, and playing welbeck instead of Kagawa in the centre twice in succession now. And I've never liked Valencia at right back. He's an average right back. Not sure why you'd bring Rafael off and play a far inferior right back there instead.
All in all, still very disappointing.
I would be happy with 4th at this stage, but we are not the 4th best team in the league at the moment. I can't see it happening.
Moyes will no doubt at least get the season to prove himself. But if the unspeakable does happen and we do not qualify for the CL then I don't see how he can be kept on - it's not as if he's improved our style (which had great margins for improvement anyway) nor given any indication of some positive style..
Whilst we do have too many average players, I do think a manager affects players with his personality and authority and we seem to be less determined, less cohesive, not brave enough and lost our confidence collectively. We are out of ideas in attack, or at least, super slow, but that's not really new.
How many players did Martinez recruit in the summer? It's not like he bought half a team, but they are still performing much better than last season. Granted, Lukaku was an absolute steal as a loan deal for them, but he's improved their style no doubt Martinez has..
Whilst we do have too many average players, I do think a manager affects players with his personality and authority and we seem to be less determined, less cohesive, not brave enough and lost our confidence collectively. We are out of ideas in attack, or at least, super slow, but that's not really new.
How many players did Martinez recruit in the summer? It's not like he bought half a team, but they are still performing much better than last season. Granted, Lukaku was an absolute steal as a loan deal for them, but he's improved their style no doubt Martinez has..
Tonight makes no difference, he was not on the pitch, you got Kagawa, you got Nani, you got Janujaz, you got Rafael, Rooney was there, Vidic was there.
The subs weren't awful, maybe Hernandez was a little late on but apart from that it's pretty much what i've seen most ask for.
I re-state what I said before, maybe the players and squad are not quite as good as you think they are, or are supposed to be.
The subs weren't awful, maybe Hernandez was a little late on but apart from that it's pretty much what i've seen most ask for.
I re-state what I said before, maybe the players and squad are not quite as good as you think they are, or are supposed to be.
You have Kagawa, the Bundesliga player of the year 2 years ago who is having a good game vs Danny Welbeck who has scored a total of under 10 goals in 2 years and is jogging around the pitch. Whose position do you switch?
For a big club we have an unbelievably average midfield, that is undeniable. I don't think we have one midfielder bar Carrick who would play for City or Arsenal for example. Valencia how long more can we wait, Nani is braindead, Clev not good enough, Fellaini not what we needed, Giggs is 40 for feck sake. Its very very average.
Martinez did in 1 year what Moyes couldn't do in 11. Thank god that Everton are in a transition period after losing their 'great' manager, staff and their best player.
9th, 12 points off the top 
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