His comments were disappointing to say the least.
Moyes So Far!
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His comments were disappointing to say the least.
His biggest game of his managerial career tomorrow.
Must admit I am rather nervous. What a lift for the whole club a win will bring.
Must admit I am rather nervous. What a lift for the whole club a win will bring.
For the love of God, Davie, don't hand the initiative over at kick-off with a pragmatic approach. There's nothing wrong with being resolute, but if we take the game to their defence, we'll win the game.
Really, really, really wish I wasn't working for this.
Hopefully not a defensive performance. In the last games when we have played for win, the results have been much better than in the games when we settled for draw (or at-least started the game more looking to defend than attack). We are in good form, so despite Arsenal being good, I think that we can win the game which will give confidence to Moyes and to the players.
You're ill remember!! Stomach bug, possibly something you've eaten.You go to work tomorrow and no one will benefit!! Stay home and rest up.Watch the game, that'll help you relax and you'll be on the mend in no time!!
You're ill remember!! Stomach bug, possibly something you've eaten.You go to work tomorrow and no one will benefit!! Stay home and rest up.Watch the game, that'll help you relax and you'll be on the mend in no time!!
It's a thought, but it's my first day back after a fortnight off. 2 weeks I've had to watch us on shitty streams and as soon as i'm back we're on tv again.
No holding back, all out attack!
Chance to completely change the outlook on the season tomorrow; hope he takes it. Would love to see him go all out.
Bigger than his FA Cup final? No.
The acid test today
I would call this more of a learning experience than a test. We might win which would be great but the most likely result will be a loss and it has to be one which helps going forward.
If he needs to learn how to win big games in the EPL then why the hell we signed him up? I mean the guy came at OT with no major honours on his CV and virtually zero experience in the CL. All he's got is the fact that he produced some promising kids (Rooney and Barkley to be more specific) and having managed in the EPL for the past 10 years. He should have enough experience to beat a top EPL side shouldn't he?
Jesus Christ. Shut up with this shit. Or maybe start a separate thread titled, "I'm going to write the same shit over and over and over."
Or alternatively, you may want to stay out of this thread if Dev's opinions bother you.
You havent answered the question. I am not arguing whether we should have signed Moyes or not. I am bothered about his alleged lack of experience in winning against big EPL sides.
To be fair, some of the most successful managers today hardly had previous experience in beating top teams in whatever leagues they managed.
Pep, Wenger, Mourinho, Rodgers, AVB, Klopp, etc...
Pep, Wenger, Mourinho, Rodgers, AVB, Klopp, etc...
And they employed for different skillsets/at smaller clubs then united
My point is that i refuse to believe that a manager whose been managing a decent EPL side for the past decade needs to gain experience how to beat ARsenal. Continuity at epl level was the main reason why we went for moyes in the first place.
There are a whole pile of things wrong with Utd at present. Fergie didnt leave a squad in the best of shape. We have aging players in key positions, some of whom have had poor starts to the season. We have quite a few positions without the required level of quality in depth needed to continue as we had. We have a new manager and a new coaching team in place. Moyes has come to a club which has a ton of things that operate in a certain way,from the tea lady to transfer market execs. He cant learn everything and all its subtle intricacies in 3 months and he cant stamp his own vision on an inherited squad (with flaws/weaknesses).
Fergie knew all this and thats why he made the statement about giving Moyes time.
I find it pretty amusing that people cant see these things and expect instant success. There is a reality factor in place and the reality factor is its going to take a few seasons to get everything fully tuned.
I don't buy into this getting used to the squad, and the club. Moyes inherited more than enough experience in the squad for that not to be an issue. Winning at the top level is about small margins and a lot of luck. We'd hardly be talking about Moyes or his lack of experience at beating top teams had we not hit the post a few times and a couple of results gone our way.
And i agree to all that. However my point still stands. Moyes doesnt need to learn how to beat Arsenal.
No but he needs to learn how to get the best out of this team and thats still a work in progress.
Does he? He's been watching us play for years, he's managing us for months and 2 of our players (including key player Rooney) had been at Everton. I am not suggesting that he should be beating Arsenal. No one can guarantee that. However this learning curve thing makes him look like some rookie, which he is not. He's got more experience in managing an EPL side and facing Arsenall then the likes of Guardiola and Klopp.
Well its not just Moyes who has to adjust, the players do as well. New training methods, drills and routines. The players also have to learn and understand Moyes ideas and tactical systems. Sure they can learn the first 90% pretty quickly but that last 10% will take time. So add in Moyes needing to work out how to get the best out of the players with the players also needing to learn how to fit with Moyes ideas, training etc and it means you wont get instant success.
On top of that is the fact that Arsenal are in form at a time when we are just starting to find our way and its no easy task to beat them.
This probably won't happen, sit tight and wait for the Arsenal brainfart is the usual method.
I don't agree. We may lose of course, but hopefully we aren't to the stage when the most likely result against Arsenal is a loss. It is the same Arsenal which we hadn't lost against them for four years. If we are really to the point when Arsenal are favorites to win at OT, then we're in deep trouble. Don't also agree about the learning curve, Moyes has a lot of experience in EPL, has defeated Arsenal before and is a very good manager. We had games against good teams before, so I don't think that for every gamw we may lose, should be given the excuse of he's still learning. The preferred way is to learn during the wins.
Saying that, I think that we'll win today though you never know. In case we lose, I think that the reactions here will depend in how we played. If we lose but play good and attack, I don't think that people will be so sad. But if we play like in other 3 big matches, settle for a draw and don't attack, then it will be ugly (and rightly so).
Biggest game of the season, team selection perfect, excellent performance.
In Moyes we trust
In Moyes we trust
The Moyes Out! gang have to keep quiet for another week at least.
Moyes Out!!!
Absolutely chuffed for Moyes. Big game and we won it with a massive team effort.
could this be the match that propells United and solidifies Moyes? I hope so.
A good day for him. Good work from us, and enough good work that Arsenal couldn't do much about it.
Moyes out!!! for a celebration that is, got it spot on!
I like the way smalling and Jones are more defensively sound under him.
His substitutions still frustrate me. It worked today, but it's still defensive first. It was a great result, but it was like watching Everton eek out a win against a top 4 side last year. As a springboard going forward I'm very happy, as a template I won't be.
Finally has the "can't win big games" monkey off his back. Hopefully he breaks his trophyless streak too.
David Moyes is back.
We looked tactically clued up and, dare I say it, more resolute today under Moyes than in some cases under Fergie. Of course we all love cavalier football at Old Trafford but that was an excellently executed plan today. Bar one or two hairy moments, we looked in complete control.
Great from him today. The team selection, tactics and subs were absolutely spot on.
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