I agree, he is settling in now. He is getting to know the squad and as he proceeds I expect the football to get better. I think we need a world class player in the centre of the park for that personally. But Moyes is a student of the game and I think things will get better, despite our 'horrible start' we are 3 points behind Chelsea and Liverpool. Arsenal will be a huge test, their midfield ran Liverpool's ragged. I thin we need 3 players in there two will get bowled over. It will be a good early indicator of how Moyes is doing.
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I agree, he is settling in now. He is getting to know the squad and as he proceeds I expect the football to get better. I think we need a world class player in the centre of the park for that personally. But Moyes is a student of the game and I think things will get better, despite our 'horrible start' we are 3 points behind Chelsea and Liverpool. Arsenal will be a huge test, their midfield ran Liverpool's ragged. I thin we need 3 players in there two will get bowled over. It will be a good early indicator of how Moyes is doing.
That's a fair point I guess. Although it's easy to say Fabregas was never going to leave Barca anyway so some might argue that we only bid for him to please the rousey fans. As for Baines, well he's as loyal as they come, so it's understandable why he didn't leave. I take it you disagree with the rest of my post, the point about Moyes weighing up his assets and such then?
I don't disagree with your entire post but definitely on the part regarding new players. There were 2-3 spots free on the 25 man list so I definitely believe he would've signed more players if he could have.
But at the same time there is no guarantee that you'll get your man so he had to weigh up what was already at his disposal.
It's a stupid argument. Firstly, if you're going to make a bid for show alone there are bigger names than Fabregas to chase. And you certainly don't turn it into a saga that rumbles on all summer, rather than one public bid that shows we're in for big names, while also allowing us the time we need to go after other players. As it was we seemed to invest a massive amount of time in Fabregas, Baines and Fellaini (Thiago I'm still not sure on) and got too far down the road to do very much else. It looks to me like Fabregas or his agent led us along to solidify his position at Barca and we fell for it, as we seem to have done with Ronaldo.
The suggestion that we are bidding for players to please fans is complete nonsense.
What risks has he taken so far? Can you elaborate on that?
Most people would say he's played it too safe.
That's a reasonable take on it, but would really be that gullible? And if that were the case then surely we would have had a second and even third target in mind that wasn't Thiago or Fellaini in case the deal collapsed, but we didn't. Anyway, I don't want to mislead this thread into a debate about the summer window and I'm shit with words anyway so I'll stop right here.
Sorry I meant to quote twiggy.I didn't say he took any risks???
Twigginator or me?
The passing and players movement are showing improvement, although we are still lack on ability to control the tempo, and kill off game time when needed.
I just noticed there's two of you
I was trying to quoting you though.
Ah, no worries. Which risks were you referring to?
Was promoting Janjaz to the first team a risk ? I would say so as it could have backfired, he also played Kagawa in the hole when Shaktar looked to be clawing the way back into the game.
Playing Buttner against West Brom was a risk and also Smalling at RB against City was another both of which backfired. He's made some very brave decisions so far but seemingly it's only the negatives that require debate.
Edited as I still can't spell fecking Janujaz
Playing Buttner against West Brom was a risk and also Smalling at RB against City was another both of which backfired. He's made some very brave decisions so far but seemingly it's only the negatives that require debate.
Edited as I still can't spell fecking Janujaz
Good job you edited it or you could have gotten it wrong.
Am just gonna call him fecking AJ from now on
Kagawa didn't play against Shakhtar.
Did he come on as a sub? I think he has played in a lot of our CL games this year. If not all of them.
Sorry i meant Sociedad I had been reading another thread, not one with the correct spelling of Januzaj though.
There's such a thing as "good risks" and "bad" risks. Everyone was excited to see januzaj play, and plenty of people wanted to see kagawa play in the whole because they are both potentially class players and are great to watch. Buttner at left back is a risk because of how shite he is, and smalling at right back is a risk because he's a centre back and offers nothing going forward, so it's risky playing him there. Those 2 are stupid risks which shouldn't happen given that we have better options on the bench if we're resting evra and Rafael, while the first two risks were positive thinking risks. You could also say playing young and Valencia together on the wings is a risk because of how shit they've been the past year (Valencia better now of course) and you just hope they'll get out of their bad spell and learn to create chances. Some call it playing it safe because they're defensive, but it's more risky IMO because more often then not, they disappoint (young more so).
It's not just focusing on the negatives, it's more people discussing stupid decisions he made in the first few months but he's corrected that lately.
It only becomes a bad risk if it fails, Smalling may well have shone at RB solving the injury woes with Rafael, same with Buttner and on the flip side Janzaj may have hit a bad spell of form on his introduction but luckily for us he didn't and that decision paid off, but it was still a risk in my opinion. Moyes substitutions against Southampton backfired but had we held onto the 3 points and defended properly we would be saying he got it right. Moyes has taken a tremendous risk on Fellaini and I feel that will also backfire but here's to hoping i am proven wrong, he has also taken a risk by not signing a proven dominant midfielder and I also believe that is so that he can get more of a feel for the squad before splashing the big bucks.
Those claiming he's not a risk taker or is playing it safe I think have just gotten hung up on the first five games and what he had to do at Everton to survive. He's done enough in his united career so far to suggest he is willing to take calculated risks, not as gunfire ho as SAF but certainly not the dour Davey Everton fans have been peddling at us since he left for greener pastures.
Anyone else seen his pre-match interview on ITV? Looks much more relaxed when being interviewed.
Thats what a few wins does for a man's confidence.
All those things you talk about were things Ferguson did. He brought all those players to the club and played them in all those positions. How is Moyes taking stupid risks doing things his predecessor won the title last season doing?
The debate is that Moyes is too defensive, too safe, my argument is that he isn't.
Ferguson was a massive risk taker and shot himself in the foot a fair bit but his fearlessness saw his united dragging games back from the brink. Moyes is far more calculating but still has to take a few risks, every manager does.
Totally rubbish at substitutions. How Young came onto that pitch is beyond me. How he could not forsee that Fellaini was heading off with a red card is baffling. Fabio isn't getting game time; instead plays Smalling who cannot attack at all - he is a solid defender though.
Is he too fond of the English?
Smalling and Jones over Fabio
Young over Nani (the most atrocious of all decisions - but Ferguson also made that one from time to time)
Is he too fond of the English?
Smalling and Jones over Fabio
Young over Nani (the most atrocious of all decisions - but Ferguson also made that one from time to time)
Thought he did everything right tonight, including having faith in Fellaini.
If Hernandez and RVP did their jobs, we'd be done and dusted, and we basically gave them nothing all night.
If Hernandez and RVP did their jobs, we'd be done and dusted, and we basically gave them nothing all night.
Haha, well Young gave Hernandez the easiest chance of the game and he 'won' the pen that RvP should have scored. If they had scored you wouldn't be saying that.
Did most things right today IMO, not his fault Hernandez and RVP fecked up badly instead of scoring. Not taking Fellaini off for Jones was a bit weird though, could see the red card coming all day long (still thought Fellaini played well!).
Didn't do too badly but Sociedad is a poor team and I think we should've played Fabio as a RB and went at them a bit more.
Did the right thing in moving Kagawa inside as Rooney had an off day. The midfield issue was kind of forced upon him due to Cleverley/Jones being needed vs Arsenal and Carrick being injured - but then again he should've sorted that in the summer.
Did the right thing in moving Kagawa inside as Rooney had an off day. The midfield issue was kind of forced upon him due to Cleverley/Jones being needed vs Arsenal and Carrick being injured - but then again he should've sorted that in the summer.
Don't be absurd. One of the stupidest things I've read for a while on here. How the feck is young being picked ahead of Nani down to nationality? If he thinks Young is going to make a difference he will pick him, besides, Van Persie came on, he's fecking dutch. Both didn't change the game, but it freed up Kagawa to play centrally.
What do you expect Smalling to do, he's not a bloody full back but he's been playing better than Fabio the past few seasons. Fellaini was the only tactical mistake, he should have put Jones on earlier. But maybe Fabio isn't getting chances for a reasonm ffs I hate these game time whinings and arguments. Why don't you all go down to Carrington and see for yourself.
The substitutions were fine apart from the possibility of bringing Fellaini off, although you'd expect a player to have more restraint over tackling than he did.
I'm really just not a fan of Young
He was rubbish though! And that penalty was an easy one.Might have been asked but what is the lining of Moyes' suit jacket?!
Calm down - jeez
Why play Smalling if he's not a fullback. Fabio did very well in pre-season and has done well the few times he's been called upon, so it's not that ridiculous, at all.
I'm really just not a fan of Young
I'm not his biggest fan either but you need to try and be unbiased when assessing a game
Kagawa set up Hernandez, but Young put the cross to RVP after Kagawa had a good run to get him the ball.
So Young did 1 good thing in the time he was on... his dive doesn't count as a good thing, regardless of him conning the ref.
I thought Moyes was ginger?
It happens from time to time - that I am, that is - but I think Young should be close to having spent his chances at this club. I thought he would be OK for us, and he appears like a nice bloke when interviewed, but ultimately, United seems a level too high for him.
I thought his subs tonight were good. He tried to be positive and chose the option of trying to get goals. The subs had an immediate impact on our play, we ended up with more chances on goal and looked positive for the most part after his subs.
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