Yup. Instead we were offering something like 25million combined for both him and Baines, and in the end spend 30 on just Fellaini when Baines probably would have been better for us (although I didn't want either, Baines would improve us IMO whereas Fellaini doesn't improve anything).
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Yup. Instead we were offering something like 25million combined for both him and Baines, and in the end spend 30 on just Fellaini when Baines probably would have been better for us (although I didn't want either, Baines would improve us IMO whereas Fellaini doesn't improve anything).
OK maybe not such a big difference in terms of money but he could have been part of the squad earlier. If Moyes wanted him then he should have went for him early.
Who knows? I'd be surprised if he didn't though, it'd be a typical SAF move: ignore cm, bring in a player in another position because he was just too good to pass on. We'd have been livid at another summer without a cm but we'd be doing better than we are right now.
Most people thought that when we were linked with RVP but look how that worked out. Hell, plenty thought Arsenal are fine with attacking midfielders, yet Ozil goes there and brings everyone onto a different level.
In the 4-4 they outpassed us and looked far more creative when they were behind so why the criticism that he know nothing about attacking,passing football?
It was a bad transfer window, even Moyes said he wanted another CM and a LB. But only an uber-muppet chooses to just believe the newspaper gossip that makes him happy, instead of being cynical about all such gossip.
If Utd signed Ozil then surely either Rooney or Kagawa would have left.
You're right but it only took Wenger 8 years to realise that he needed to spend big money on this type of player.
oof, a painful one to point out, but good luck getting a response to that.
That's the exception to the norm of the last 10 years or so though. Even then there was a lot of lumping into Fellaini who bullied us physically, because he is good at bringing long balls down. They didn't out pass us at all that game though, we were just shite defensively and threw away a 4-2 lead, and were unlucky not to have another few goals on the day (Evra hit the post at 4-2, Everton scored on the counter).
Ah yes, the spluttering "that doesn't count!" response. I expected nothing better.
It was a response that the guy knows nothing other than long ball football which is patent rubbish. We're judging him on his negativity over \a couple of poor home games nbot his entire career or philosophy
The way the team is at the moment, would anyone care. Kagawa might have been relieved to go somewhere and actually play. If we had got Ozil it would have been just as good for us as Rooney going to Chelsea.
It was a response that the guy knows nothing other than long ball football which is patent rubbish. We're judging him on his negativity over \a couple of poor home games nbot his entire career or philosophy
This is RedCafe, where the muppets run free and wild unfortunately. RAWK now seems a paragon of intelligence and thoughtfulness in comparison. You're wasting your time trying to deal in facts.
I bet that every team in the universe has had some games when they played attacking football.
Everton was no Stoke, but neither a team who played beautiful football. Moyes while got excellent results, he was also one of the most negative managers in the league. And yes, Everton was a team who hoofing the ball was one of the most important aspects of their game. And it's no coincidence, that hoofing the ball it's one of the most important part of our tactics.
aah! he played an attacking system which got us a draw but we were shite not that they were good and deserved it! No wonder fans think we're the most arrogant fans around.
How many more excuses are we going to make?
Never mind...let's stick to this season and judge him as Utd's manager
It's not really transfer gossip. It's Moyes saying we aren't interested in both Thiago, and Ozil. You have to wonder why on earth we wouldn't be interested in them when they're available.
As SAF said, some players are too good to turn down. Any arguments against signing Ozil could have been (and were) applied to the RvP signing. That hasn't turned out too bad, has it?
Imagine this: SAF is still in charge. He has a choice between signing Fellaini or signing Ozil. He knows cm is the area that most need strengthening. What do you think he does? And which option do you think we'd have been happier with at this point of the season?
Yes, of course no-one is going to give us 4m now. And while losing 4m is very bad, the biggest problem is that we lost another 23.5m (probably half of it after we sell him in the summer or in 2015 depending on Moyes longevity).
So we hoofed the ball today? And Everton did nothing but hoof the ball?
fecking hell. Talk about re-writing history to suit your agenda.
We only bought Kagawa last season, and it would have bben outrageous to ship him out just because Ozil wanted to leave Real (not sure he fancied United anyway). Kagawa is a top player, and we have to show faith in his abilities imo. Unlike Moyes, we don't know the budget limits which makes it easier for us to throw money at transfer targets. I'd rather sign a top CM for 40 million next summer than having 3 number 10s and wait for Anderson to come good next season.
I see your point charley
.It's as if i'm living in a zombie world where they're hiding and spring out of the woodworkI don't think he'll be sold next summer, 2015 who knows ?
Cause they're neither strong, nor big?
If Moyes gets sacked, I doubt that whoever will be in charge here will keep Fellaini. And if Moyes turns out to not be completely shit, he'll realize his mistake within 2 years.
Which part of it?
Everton hoofing the ball? The majority of people here agreed before we signed Moyes.
Moyes a negative manager? Everybody agrees with that.
Us hoofing the ball? We are leading in long ball stats.
Ozil is a good player. I think knowing Januzaj is breaking through Fergie would have passed on Ozil (Still not sure whether he wanted to sign for United. Did he? Do we know whether we inquired?)
I'm not making excuses am I? We were unlucky not to have won that game and had awful defending. Everton never gave up though and got the draw. Well done. That doesn't in any way mean they outpassed us in the game though. Look at the highlights of that game if you don't believe me. 3 of their 4 goals were some kind of defensive mistake or high ball or cross of some kind, whereas we had some brilliant goals in that game (Welbecks first, Nani's, Rooney and Welbeck having a Yorke/Cole vs Barca type goal). Don't remember what the other goal we scored was like but we were great going forward in that game, but our defending let them back in it when we should have been out of sight.
I see your point charley
well, zombies are around forever. But the morons will feck off eventually. They only came to United for one thing.
I think he'll be kept at the very least as a CM option, next summer Giggs will retire and that would leave Carrick, Cleverley, Ando (probably a goner). In that perspective no way will Fellaini leave, even with a new coach.
I don't think Everton fans are disappointed he's gone. Their football has improved.
No just let them believe that Everton was Barca mk 2 for the premier league and always played brilliant attacking football. They were never a team that thrived on long balls and hoofing it up, instead always played quick short passes, and outpassed teams all the time. Makes you wonder how Fellaini was such a success there
Nobody is saying that Moyes is shite, or Everton was shite. They were an effective team, but they sure as hell weren't good to watch, unless you like the type of aggressive, long ball style. They weren't necessarily Stoke as they had nice pieces of play, but they were always more negative then an attacking team. Moyes was suited to that style, and that level of football. He's not suited to the expectations of a title challenging team where you're expected to play exciting attacking football.
Remember pete saying that they upgraded their midfield and their manager. It sounded stupid that time. The irony!
The rumours at the time were that we turned him down. Whether the rumours were true or not, who knows? They were widespread though and I find it hard to believe Ozil would've turned us down to play for Arsenal (no offence to Arsenal).
As for your point about Januzaj, a) our talented young strikers didn't stop him from signing RvP and b) we have no guarantee SAF would've picked Januzaj as much as Moyes has. You might be right but I suspect SAF would've seen Ozil as too good a player to turn down.
He certainly wouldn't have signed Fellaini as any kind of solution to our difficulties in cm.
That's because they got Martinez in and he's dogmatically a purist but let's reserve judgement until the end of the season. If he wins them a trophy and gets them a CL place then it will have been a great appointment. I would have loved utd to have gambled on him or a Laudrup but it was always unlikely
I remember the game differently. We were in easy street after Nani scored and then we collapsed due to a combination of being too open and having a centre midfield that simply couldn't keep pace with the game with our wingers continuing to push forward. For the bulk of the game we were in charge and then paid the price for complacency at the death. I don't think Everton were great that day, they simply exploited our weaknesses at the end of the game and I didn't come away from it thinking '4-4. Justified given how evenly matched we were'. I came away from it thinking 'wtf was that?! We just threw away the title having had a 2 goal lead twice (and we brought on JONES AT THE END?! WE NEEDED A F'N GOAL!)'.
I never saw Moyes Everton as a team of style and flair. They did have a lot of energy, that must be said. Got the ball wide, got it into the box and attacked it early and often but Moyes has never been a manager I'd associate with attacking football. Although, IMHO, at Everton he was far less timid when chasing a game and not anywhere near as keen to try and close out 1-0s. The best Moyes attacking display I recall against United was when they took a 2-0 lead in the 2-4 victory at Goodison in 2006/07. Chris Eagles. LOL! That day they swarmed us like bees, it wasn't tiki taka but it was high energy, aggressive and they made it count until we forced our way back into it.
I think they are grateful for what he did, but could he have done more, that's more to the point? The fact he never won an F.A. Cup or League Cup is surprising. They should have been capable of that.
He came close with the FA cup but they were up against a very good Chelsea side, can't fault him for that
There not Scottish for a start, I watched MUTV earlier with Mandy Henry, Gordon McQueen and Lou Macari, all Scottish. I will watch Paddy Crerand on Tuesday, another Scot. They are taking over.
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