Moyes So Far!

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Moyes was ridiculous today

his subs we pathetic and cost us the points

at this rate we are going to struggle to get top 4 and I'm yet to see anything from Fellaini which suggests he is going to improve us

Giggs for Nani on the right wing? then Welbeck for Fellaini so move Januzaj to the right and Giggs to the middle

Smalling for Rooney just took the biscuit

fecking wake up Moyes
 
manusteve said:
But there is no aspect to the play that suggests Moyes is improving anything! He's relying on an 18 year old as some kind of Messiah while ignoring the likes of Kagawa and Zaha. Does anyone think that Zaha isn't as good as Januzaj?

He had ample time to bring in new players and yet contradicted himself by first saying he was happy with the squad he inherited and then saying we needed substantial strengthening. Do you seriously believe in Moyes?
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I genuinely think Januzaj is better than Zaha but I do agree, by and large, with the thrust of what you're saying which is Moyes continues to make the same mistakes. Even when he starts well, like today, he returns to type and chooses endurance over ability. His reliance on 'experience', which he has mentioned time and time again since day 1 of the season and which we must attribute to the introduction of Giggs today, has been his undoing more than once but he hasn't learned. Instead, he seems to go back to what seems comfortable to him: Negativity, hard work and hard running.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I just don't get what the problem he has with Zaha. I watched him for the U-21's during the week and he was great. He would have great coming on and given their defence something to think about.
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He seems to be on Moyes blacklist, just like Chicarito, Kagawa and Fabio.
 
nahealai said:
Anyone else worried now considering some of us spoke about draconian football and tactics way back in May?

I am fully behind him, and will support us to the day that I die, but feck me, that was embarrassing today. And against Liverpool. And against Chelsea.

Shocking start to his Manchester United career. Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia ahead of Nani, Kagawa and Hernandez? Jesus wept.
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Posted this a month ago.

Nothing has really changed, has it? Especially in relation to his treatment/non-use of Kagawa and Hernandez.
 
Oh well, hopefully good ol' Moyes has a (long-term) plan (even if it doesn't seem that way at the moment), and hopefully our fans will keep singing his name against Sociedad.
 
manusteve said:
I'm not criticising Januzaj - I'm saying IMO Zaha is just as good. And Moyes' subs today were mental. Ok, make those subs but not until we're 2-0 up?

He had ample time to make a central midfielder signing that would have been better than Fellaini. And let's see what he does with Nani, because he ain't gonna deliver the consistency that Moyes's management style would require.
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I dont disagree with anything of this. I just think its over the top to say that Moyes hasnt shown any signs of adapting. I think he is. Today's performance was pretty good and if it werent for a shoddy corner goal there would be little criticism.

The subs really were horrible though. Welbeck for Fellaini made absolute no sense.
 
devilish said:
He seems to be on Moyes blacklist, just like Chicarito, Kagawa and Fabio.
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:lol:

Its funny but also sad. Some players can be consistently crap but still get games. Some players can come in and play great but you can guarantee if its not going right they'll be the first ones to get subbed.
 
Moriarty said:
If your point was we played crappy football last season, then I agree with it. We did and we certainly got lucky with the way other teams played. But 06/07 saw some pretty scintillating stuff played by the shirts.
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Nope, definitely not my point, seeing as in my point, I said we haven't played great football since 06/07. As in, that was the last time we did that. SAF didn't just accidentally stop us from playing that free flowing brand that we did that season, he intentionally did that because he knew he needed to to be more successful in Europe.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
How were Young and Valencia on the wings today, then? Did they play well?
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Young is a shit player anyway. Valencia has his ups and downs. Does playing Nani instead really indicate Moyes' doing anything special when most of us on here, with no footballing credentials whatsoever, can see that Young in particular is shit.
 
Maroon Lucifer said:
Don't be too harsh on Moyes today. Southampton have had two weeks to prepare for that game, while our players were on international duty.
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I agree with Lou Macari on MUTV about this, players being tired is bollocks. Players used to play 60 games a season and internationals and international tournaments, were out on the beer, smoked, ate all the wrong stuff, yet these supposedly finely tuned athletes get tired after a couple of game.
 
nahealai said:
Posted this a month ago.

Nothing has really changed, has it? Especially in relation to his treatment/non-use of Kagawa and Hernandez.
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No, nothing has changed except half of the original post. Some people really cant differentiate results and performances. Today's performance wasnt bad. We had two flair wingers. Young and Valencia have been dropped. We were unlucky not to win tonight. BUt a shitty corner goal changes everyone's assessment of the game.
 
Brosstan said:
I dont disagree with anything of this. I just think its over the top to say that Moyes hasnt shown any signs of adapting. I think he is. Today's performance was pretty good and if it werent for a shoddy corner goal there would be little criticism.

The subs really were horrible though. Welbeck for Fellaini made absolute no sense.
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I'm arguing because I'm sick of Moyes and his negativity. That's all, really.
 
manusteve said:
Young is a shit player anyway. Valencia has his ups and downs. Does playing Nani instead really indicate Moyes' doing anything special when most of us on here, with no footballing credentials whatsoever, can see that Young in particular is shit.
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He was right to play Nani, which was progress, then he messed it up again by taking him off when he would have been a threat.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I agree with Lou Macari on MUTV about this, players being tired is bollocks. Players used to play 60 games a season and internationals and international tournaments, were out on the beer, smoked, ate all the wrong stuff, yet these supposedly finely tuned athletes get tired after a couple of game.
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Considering SAF based all of his best seasons and basically his whole philosophy on rotating and keeper players fresh, I'm sure there's something to it.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I agree with Lou Macari on MUTV about this, players being tired is bollocks. Players used to play 60 games a season and internationals and international tournaments, were out on the beer, smoked, ate all the wrong stuff, yet these supposedly finely tuned athletes get tired after a couple of game.
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Like i said. Don't think anyone's saying tiredness was a factor in this draw
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Funny thing is we all wish SAF has done that sort of substitution against Everton the other season and we may have won the league.
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Some might, but personally Ive always been in disfavor of subs like that. If we are up by two goals its fine, but just one goal? Nope. I was always happy we never saw SAF make shitty subs like that. Its no coincidence that SAF's teams were always in a position to make a late comeback or late win. He never made negative subs that left us toothless for the final minutes of the game.
 
Brosstan said:
No, nothing has changed except half of the original post. Some people really cant differentiate results and performances. Today's performance wasnt bad. We had two flair wingers. Young and Valencia have been dropped. We were unlucky not to win tonight. BUt a shitty corner goal changes everyone's assessment of the game.
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He has made progress, but he has to show more courage with his substitutions. It's all about conciliation with him instead of going for the other teams throats.
 
Brosstan said:
No, nothing has changed except half of the original post. Some people really cant differentiate results and performances. Today's performance wasnt bad. We had two flair wingers. Young and Valencia have been dropped. We were unlucky not to win tonight. BUt a shitty corner goal changes everyone's assessment of the game.
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Right. We hit the post twice and Felliani missed what should have been a goal. Could have easily been 4-0 as 1-1. Subs were bad but our play overall was much improved.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Funny thing is we all wish SAF has done that sort of substitution against Everton the other season and we may have won the league.
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Not really a stupid change like that though. Sure we hoped we would put on a more defensive player, or change our tactics, but you don't take off one of your best players and put on a defender in his place, trying to shoe horn him in defence. The logical thing would be to take off Januzaj for a more defensive winger, or midfielder, and just shore it up.
 
Brosstan said:
Today's performance wasnt bad.
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Are you serious? That performance today was nothing more than average; Southampton enjoyed quite a bit of possession and you could say they thoroughly deserved their point. If they had snaffled all three, I doubt too many could deny them that either. They were much better than us today, and considering we were the home team, it's a worrying sign.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
He was right to play Nani, which was progress, then he messed it up again by taking him off when he would have been a threat.
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This.

More to the point he messed it up and brought on Giggs who was never going to offer Rafael the same level of cover as Nani was giving just because of age and then he substantially weakened midfield by moving Giggs into the centre and leaving Carrick marooned at times facing attacks.

Why does he keep reverting to 'experience'? Why does he keep the flair players on the margins like Nani and prefer workmanlike out of form players like Welbeck? Why can't Hernandez buy time on the field for us when we're chasing games (increasing the chances of him ending up at Spurs soon)?

Its wonderful that after half a dozen awful performances Moyes has finally seen the light about how badly Rio, Young etc. have been playing. But, if we are going to start handing out prizes for seeing the obvious, then we've fallen a long way since Fergie stepped down already.
 
bosnian_red said:
Not really a stupid change like that though. Sure we hoped we would put on a more defensive player, or change our tactics, but you don't take off one of your best players and put on a defender in his place, trying to shoe horn him in defence. The logical thing would be to take off Januzaj for a more defensive winger, or midfielder, and just shore it up.
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I do agree, the changes today were jaw dropping. I just meant, Moyes goes defensive at the wrong times and SAF went the opposite in that one game. It's a bit like the Chelsea game when you wanted him to get attacking subs on to try to win the game, instead Moyes was chuffed with the draw.
 
nahealai said:
Are you serious? That performance today was nothing more than average; Southampton enjoyed quite a bit of possession and you could say they thoroughly deserved their point. If they had snaffled all three, I doubt too many could deny them that either. They were much better than us today, and considering we were the home team, it's a worrying sign.
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They really werent better than us. It was an even game chance-wise, and considering we were one goal up and controlling the game we were the controlling side who could affort to sit back a bit. If Southampton had won it would have been a robbery.

It wasnt a steller performance, but it wasnt bad, and Southampton certainly werent the better side.
 
I think some people are overplaying his apparent errors in his substitution choices this season. His big failure so far has been in allowing us to enter the season with a midfield that is well below top-4 standards. Fellaini was never going to be enough.
 
The absolute worst thing is, the players look like they have ZERO confidence in him! They just don't seem like they're enjoying their play. As others have already mentioned, when Fergie left we needed someone big to take over the reins, like pep or Jose. Moyes may or may not be successful in the long run but the way things are the moment, it's looking doubtful.
 
rednev said:
I think some people are overplaying his apparent errors in his substitution choices this season. His big failure so far has been in allowing us to enter the season with a midfield that is well below top-4 standards. Fellaini was never going to be good enough.
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Fixed. :p
 
#07 said:
This.

More to the point he messed it up and brought on Giggs who was never going to offer Rafael the same level of cover as Nani was giving just because of age and then he substantially weakened midfield by moving Giggs into the centre and leaving Carrick marooned at times facing attacks.

Why does he keep reverting to 'experience'? Why does he keep the flair players on the margins like Nani and prefer workmanlike out of form players like Welbeck? Why can't Hernandez buy time on the field for us when we're chasing games (increasing the chances of him ending up at Spurs soon)?

Its wonderful that after half a dozen awful performances Moyes has finally seen the light about how badly Rio, Young etc. have been playing. But, if we are going to start handing out prizes for seeing the obvious, then we've fallen a long way since Fergie stepped down already.
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I think he needs to get a settled side and keep it for a while, SAF used to rotate, but he had the pedigree to do it. Moyes has a long way to go. They played pretty well, and should have scored more, where is OG when you need him. The changes altered the game in Southampton's favour.
 
Brosstan said:
They really werent better than us. It was an even game chance-wise, and considering we were one goal up and controlling the game we were the controlling side who could affort to sit back a bit. If Southampton had won it would have been a robbery.

It wasnt a steller performance, but it wasnt bad, and Southampton certainly werent the better side.
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They had 18 shots compared to our 12. They had 54% of the possession. Same amount of corners. We had periods where we were better, where we perhaps could have gotten a goal like when we hit the bar but for large parts of the game we sat back and invited pressure. We weren't in any way the team controlling the game really, and you have to say the way the last 20 minutes went, their goal was coming.
 
bosnian_red said:
They had 18 shots compared to our 12. They had 54% of the possession. Same amount of corners. We had periods where we were better, where we perhaps could have gotten a goal like when we hit the bar but for large parts of the game we sat back and invited pressure. We weren't in any way the team controlling the game really, and you have to say the way the last 20 minutes went, their goal was coming.
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We also can't handle when pressured. Been that way for a while. When they started, it went back to the usual.
 
poisson said:
The absolute worst thing is, the players look like they have ZERO confidence in him! They just don't seem like they're enjoying their play. As others have already mentioned, when Fergie left we needed someone big to take over the reins, like pep or Jose. Moyes may or may not be successful in the long run but the way things are the moment, it's looking doubtful.
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I don't think we even needed somebody big. We just needed another charismatic character to be our manager. It could have been a relatively inexperienced manager, or an ex player of ours. Just somebody who would encourage good attacking football and who the players would respect. Moyes is uninspiring and boring in pretty much everything he does. Some people just aren't cut out for the job of being United's manager. You can include Moyes' name in that list.
 
poisson said:
The absolute worst thing is, the players look like they have ZERO confidence in him! They just don't seem like they're enjoying their play. As others have already mentioned, when Fergie left we needed someone big to take over the reins, like pep or Jose. Moyes may or may not be successful in the long run but the way things are the moment, it's looking doubtful.
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That's the thing that worries me. Not that they don't like him, which I think they really do, but that they don't trust his decision making.
 
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