We've won more than they have since both respective parties took over. Obviously we were blessed with SAF but there's still a massive plus point to having owners/directors with a bit of rationale than one who will sack a manager as soon as they hit a bit of a struggle.
Moyes So Far!
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We've won more than they have since both respective parties took over. Obviously we were blessed with SAF but there's still a massive plus point to having owners/directors with a bit of rationale than one who will sack a manager as soon as they hit a bit of a struggle.
Have you even seen Dortmund in the last four years?
So you do think he should be sacked? After eight league games?
Destroying our attacking balance by removing our most creative attacking player, Nani, with an aged Giggs is not down to teething problems. Its just a tactical error. Similarly to how removing Kagawa for Januzaj against West Brom was an unneeded change. In both cases, unforced, Moyes destroyed our coherence as an attacking force. Although, despite losing the West Brom sub was more forgivable because after about 20-25 minutes Januzaj finally got his tail up whereas Giggs went from bad to worse.
Also I do think this post Fergie stuff is being overplayed a bit. Johan Cruyff's shadow still hangs over Barcelona, words from him can disrupt a club presidency. He built La Masia, he made Barcelona's philosophy what it is. Yet Barcelona still managed to do ok when he left. Bobby Robson, Van Gaal (at least at first), they took the reins at the club and still were competitive, still won things, they didn't just suddenly drop off because their legendary player and manager who'd reshaped the way everyone at Barcelona now looks at football was gone. Not saying Moyes has got an easy gig but, I should think, many managers would kill to have the job he has now, the squad he has now and we should stop dismissing the mistakes he makes as just part of the post-Fergie transition.
We may soon see that side of the Glazers, as they've done in Tampa of late and will probably be making another coaching change soon. I'm no fan of Abramovich but he is a fan of the game not just a vulture looking to make a profit.
the horrorAlright, someone start a "Moyes Out!" petition. I want to see the list of names for future reference 
Moyes is a very good manager but clearly wasn't the right one for us, replacing saf was always going to be a huge task and that needed a proven winner, someone without question marks hanging around him, someone with a clear philosophy that fits our club, moyes has never won anything and never managed teams playing decent football, that was enough to put him under pressure without even managing a game, we're the champions of england and before the season starts we're written off simply because we've gone for moyes, it was idiotic to write him off too early, but with each passing game he proves me wrong, moyes came with the reputation that he can do so much with so little and that he would be here for the long term, is that what it takes to manage united these days? and even if we sign a couple of top quality players, we may start to get results but his football is dire, he'll go for work rate over flair every time, he'll always try to defend a lead instead of adding to it, he needs to change.
He needs to make Rooney play as a proper #10 or find someone else in the squad who will play there.
He won't learn from it because he never did at Everton. I posted this three years ago:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/nex...nho-or-david-moyes.313181/page-3#post-8868955
Alright, someone start a "Moyes Out!" petition. I want to see the list of names for future reference
Shit, I would have signed it the day he was announced as manager.
Edit: Removed the emoticon. I wasn't joking.
Eh? After Cryuff Barcelona went into a serious decline, they were always hovering in the top 6 bar one or two seasons, until Rijkaard arrived. After 2006 they slipped for 2 seasons before Guardiola arrived.
Posted the same thing a while ago, but he's just f*cking himself really.
If he brings on Kagawa for Nani, no one says a word, even if Shinji was identical to Giggs.
But because he brings on Giggs - who has been w*nk for almost 3 seasons - and he lets us down AGAIN, Moyes not only screws up tactically, but also looks to have been 'negative' and 'safe' and 'boring'.
Good starting lineup, shame about the subs.
If he brings on Kagawa for Nani, no one says a word, even if Shinji was identical to Giggs.
But because he brings on Giggs - who has been w*nk for almost 3 seasons - and he lets us down AGAIN, Moyes not only screws up tactically, but also looks to have been 'negative' and 'safe' and 'boring'.
Good starting lineup, shame about the subs.
Everton must be laughing their socks off, 27m for Fellaini and they now have a manager who has taken the shackles off.
The standards at Everton are lower. That was good enough (more than good enough) for Everton, it's nowhere near good enough for us. He has to adapt. If he does, it will take time.
That was Moyes doing Kenwright a fecking big favour.
Yeah I'm sure Klopp would jump at the chance to manage our squad which has won less than them in the last three years and is now struggling under a new manager, I mean, despite the fact that Dortmund are now arguably in the worlds best league, get 80,000 supporters a game, probably have more money to spend than we do, are challenging for the league, and were in the CL final last year.
You obviously don't have a clue what a "feeder club" is then.
Maybe Kenwright should have done us a favour, I am starting to have doubts. I know we have changed manager, but this team should be playing better than this.
It wasn't that long ago that Everton were challenging for and winning league titles and FA Cups. Everton is not some small-time team (I know you didn't say they were) without a history. Over the years, they've produced some damned good players.
feck off having a go at Giggsy, everyone's favourite target for the last decade it seems. It's not his fecking fault if the manager is a numpty.
It's not only the results that bug me, but our style of play. Moyes has offered nothing so far tactically. We seem to have gone for "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" instead of "if it ain't perfect, improve it". Sad.
I was only responding to the post that suggested they were not. If next summer Barcelona or Madrid went for him, I believe he would go.
I don't know about us, but I would like think very few realistic managers would turn down that opportunity.
Anyway I don't want him, I want Moyes to stay and improve. That is all I care about right now.
No, I'm saying that I understand from where some of the opinions come from. He should be given this season.
Then if he has something to show for I mean just to have a game style and at least finish 4th this season then we can judge.
But if he fails to secure that then he has to go and the new manager has to have time to build something over the summer and have a shot next season at the silverware(Like Moyes was given whole Summer)...
It wasn't long ago that Moyes stopped them from being relegated, while Martinez GOT wigan relegated after a fairly comfortable few years with Steve Bruce was turned into an annual fight against relegation.
That Everton side was a lot stronger than this one, yet Martinez is getting them playing better than us.
So? We are the biggest club in the world.
About 20 years now and the game has changed much. They're no minnow but they're certainly not a top club by today's standards (i.e. money).
Today was more a case of "if it ain't broken, break it".
He's been given 6 years, we can't give him ONE season to prove he can make it, he has to build his own squad and make his stamp on it. We cannot become a Chelsea or any team that sacks its managers every year.
They have and will continue to struggle to hold onto their best players.
Feeder club is harsh, similar to spurs but obviously they are a far bigger and better side.
Barca and Real are a far more attractive proposition than we are right now, in case you'd forgotten, we've lost players to Real, they're an anomaly in the footballing world.
If Dortmund are a feeder club because Real and Barca can get their best players then I'd say around 95% of clubs in Europe are feeder clubs too.
No, Real Madrid are.
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