Moyes So Far!

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duffer said:
If someone like Klopp suddenly became available, would you want Moyes out this early into his Man United career?
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No. He deserves at least a season or 2 even though I'm not pleased with the way he is doing at the moment. However, if Klopp became available at the end of the season and if Moyes drops us out of the top 4 with the talent we have in our team, then yes I would want him out.
 
We can't fire him after 8 games - he deserves a season, but I am losing confidence in him
 
Raoul said:
My concern with Moyes was that if he didn't get off to a good start, how would he be able to cope with the ensuing shitstorm of criticism and second guessing from the fans and media. Looks like we're well on our way to that happening .
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He needed a good start, and I think he knew that. Hence his comments about the tough fixture list.
 
Pink Moon said:
Obviously the manager will always have to take a large portion of the blame when things aren't going the way they should but as a neutral I look at the United squad and it just screams average to me (ignoring one or two obvious names). I agree with an earlier poster that the 4-4-2 rigid style would be best gone. Look at the other "top" teams in the league and their creative players going forward then look at United's. That's not all down to Moyes. Arsenal have the likes of Ozil, Ramsey and Wilshere, Chelsea have Mata, Hazard, Oscar, City have Silva, Aguero, Nasri. United have who in that mould? Kagawa, who doesn't get a game and when he does it's never in the same role he excelled in at Dortmund where he was one of the top attacking players in the world.

Anderson, Young, Fellaini, Smalling, Cleverley, Welbeck, Valencia. All good players, don't get me wrong, but I don't think they're players who belong at the world's biggest club. I know Welbeck will be a contentious one as you guys love him but to me he just seems all style and little substance. For an attacker at Manchester United his finishing is diabolical. There's also a few guys in the squad who seem to be past their best that should probably be looking to be replaced sooner than later.

Hopefully Moyes can turn it around. I like him and I like United too but there's a lot of shit that needs repaired and not all of it is Moyes' doing though he must shoulder a large part of the blame, I accept that.
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Someone on here had a go at me for saying that I cringe at Moyes' reliance on 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1, saying it was the formation of most of Fergie's success. What he ignores is that hardly any top clubs or international teams play 4-4-2 any longer, and not in recent years. Was it 4-4-2 when Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo were tearing defences up?

Moreover, last season, I would say Fergie played 4-2-3-1 more than he did 4-4-2. I know formations aren't everything but it is when your goal difference is plus one (the Swansea win being cancelled by the City loss).
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Why would you want the team 'shaped' in Moyes' image? Are you a masochist?
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I didn't say "in his image". I've said all along that he needs to adapt and develop the style of football he played at Everton. If, for example, his ideas going forward are to play as Everton did then I'd bin him now. I don't have any interest in watching that for the next few years. I just happen to believe that he'll adapt to the need to be more progressive and offer something different to what he did at Everton.
 
He needs results to earn the players respect. They've seen the greatest manager of all time leave along with some of the best coaches in Europe to be replaced by half of Evertons back room staff, the way we play and early results must have some players thinking what the feck is this guy even doing here.
 
Wait. Does anyone actually want to sack him right now? Eight games in?
 
adexkola said:
He needs time to work. 8 Games into the season is nowhere enough, considering the quality of the squad he was left with.
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I'm not one of the people who thinks Moyes should be sacked as he's needs a season at least before being judged but I'm getting tired of the quality of the players being questioned.

Moyes was left with the champions of last season and one full of top and proven players. Even if central midfield, where we have been weak, he was left with Carrick(top performer last season) and some decent options which he had the entire summer to strengthen.

At the moment, this team is underachieving hugely and the buck stops with him on that score. What's most concerning is other than the Swansea game, we have not put in a convincing performance all season and are dropping points at home to mid table sides.
 
Timdbro said:
As others have said, if we fail to make the top 4 this season, I can't see the owners being too understanding. Not that I'm saying that we're anywhere near this scenario yet.
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As well as that, no one seems to be considering the idea that even if he wasn't sacked, he'd maybe walk. This club hasn't come lower than 3rd in the PL era; so no one truly knows how much stick a new United manager would get if they came 5th, for example. It would undoubtedly be a lot, and whether he'd be able to cope with all the abuse and pressure I'm not so sure. That would be if he didn't get sacked for finishing 5th, which I expect would happen personally.
 
I don't think he deserves any more than one season TBH. If we remain mid table in December, I reckon the pressure will be insurmountable.
 
Can someone tell me Moyes vision of football?

Can some expert tell me what we have improved since last season?

Why Fellaini? Give me a good reason why we need him for £27m.








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Cheesy said:
If we come 5th, then he'll go I expect. When we gave him a 6-year contract, it was with expectation that he would succeed and at the very least challenge for the title. If he doesn't do that then he will be sacked, or may walk due to the criticism and stick that comes his way from it.
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Immediately? With the state of our squad? I disagree, and I'd be surprised if the Glazers had such a short sighted view of the situation. They stood by Ferguson in the mid 2000s when we had the likes of Djemba in the midfield.
 
Cheesy said:
As well as that, no one seems to be considering the idea that even if he wasn't sacked, he'd maybe walk. This club hasn't come lower than 3rd in the PL era; so no one truly knows how much stick a new United manager would get if they came 5th, for example. It would undoubtedly be a lot, and whether he'd be able to cope with all the abuse and pressure I'm not so sure. That would be if he didn't get sacked for finishing 5th, which I expect would happen personally.
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He's having to cope with abuse and pressure right now and not making a very good job of it
 
DixieDean said:
Mr negative strikes again. I honestly don't think you guys are going to reach the CL with him in charge. Which is a shocking performance. So far he is doing even worse then I thought he would. He simply has the wrong mentality to mange Utd. Taking off Rooney for Smalling sums him up.
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Glad to be rid of him then?
 
kps88 said:
Wait. Does anyone actually want to sack him right now? Eight games in?
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I agree absolutely with giving a manager a chance. I just always thought Moyes wasn't the right man to take over. He can have his six contracted years - he won't take us to a league title.
 
Raoul said:
My concern with Moyes was that if he didn't get off to a good start, how would he be able to cope with the ensuing shitstorm of criticism and second guessing from the fans and media. Looks like we're well on our way to that happening .
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He is to blame for a large part of it himself. It was predicted by everybody that the pressure on his shoulders would have been surreal. He has done absolutely nothing to take some of that pressure off, i don't think he could have handled this any worse. He has shown nothing to the fans to suggest that he is even remotely capable of ever doing this job. The only thing we have are the words of Fergie, saying that he has chosen him and that we should trust him. Seems to me like Fergie chose wrong on this occassion. Now we are stuck with the guy and he is on a 6 year deal...

The first thing he did was get rid off all the good managerial experience that was in the squad and replaced it with the ones he has at Everton. His transfer summer has been amateuristic and outright stupid: Fellaini doesn't fit into the team, he passed on Ozil, he didn't solve any issues in the team at all. The team was clearly unprepared for the though start to the season and his start to the season has been disastrous. Everybody was saying he had to win the next 5 relatively easy games, he lost chanceless to West brom, he narrowly escapped versus the last team in the table only winning 1-2 and today his stupid substitutions, that nobody could ever understand, cost us another 2 points, versus saints at home. The title is as good as gone and it is already going to be one hell of job to end in the top 4. It is simply unacceptable with a team like Manchester United. Moyes is dragging us down. We can't even go on and fire him, there is nobody really available to replace him... We are in deep shit.
 
Brophs said:
I didn't say "in his image". I've said all along that he needs to adapt and develop the style of football he played at Everton. If, for example, his ideas going forward are to play as Everton did then I'd bin him now. I don't have any interest in watching that for the next few years. I just happen to believe that he'll adapt to the need to be more progressive and offer something different to what he did at Everton.
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Signing Fellaini, trying to sign Baines and bringing in his backroom team has hardly dispelled the impression that he's looking to play his brand of Everton football has it?
 
He won't last the season if our results don't improve (but surely they will). The line has to be drawn somewhere. And not only are our results shit and unacceptable, but we're playing like a bunch of lepers. And the decision to sign Fellaini looks more and more bizarre, he's hasn't shown anything remotely good enough to play for United, let alone to justify his price tag.

Still very early, but starting to get a tad worried now.
 
adexkola said:
Immediately? With the state of our squad? I disagree, and I'd be surprised if the Glazers had such a short sighted view of the situation. They stood by Ferguson in the mid 2000s when we had the likes of Djemba in the midfield.
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Actually, when the Glazers bought full control, the likes of Djemba had already been sold off. And that little fact that SAF had won 8 of the 13 possible Premiership titles.
 
While i agree he needs time to do things his own way, theres no excuse for being as bad as we have been all season. we won the league last year. why is martinez not making the same excuses over at everton? its been absolutely appalling from day 1. i want him to stay on and succeed but im very tired of the excuses being made.
 
antohan said:
What? A strong PL winning squad which just needed a few reinforcements here and there? I agree with whoever said all he saw was fear, and that is only bound to get worse. Grow some balls FFS!
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You underestimate the effect Ferguson had on the squad. He made this team more than the sum of it's parts. Plus, it is general consensus that all the teams in the league underperformed last season.

Yes he fecked up this game. I'm just not freaking out over it. Should I?
 
adexkola said:
Immediately? With the state of our squad? I disagree, and I'd be surprised if the Glazers had such a short sighted view of the situation. They stood by Ferguson in the mid 2000s when we had the likes of Djemba in the midfield.
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When you say the state of our squad...you're referring to Rooney,RVP,Nani,Hernandez,Carrick and host of other internationals. Have they suddenly become so bad that are outplayed by teams such as WBA and Soton?
 
adexkola said:
Immediately? With the state of our squad? I disagree, and I'd be surprised if the Glazers had such a short sighted view of the situation. They stood by Ferguson in the mid 2000s when we had the likes of Djemba in the midfield.
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They stood by Ferguson, one of the greatest managers of all-time and the most successful Manchester United manager of all-time who had completely reversed the clubs fortunes and turned us into a global superpower, when he came 3rd. Moyes, by contrast, has won nothing in his career, has no previous reputation here to fall back on and the hypothetical discussion here is what would happen if he came 5th. While 3rd is poor, it's still Champions League. Often, it's either a title challenge or close to a title challenge. You miss out on so much now for missing out on top 4, and honestly, you can't expect him to stay if he takes a team that just won the title to 5th.

Our squad has some glaring weaknesses, but it's not awful. It won the title last season, and it's good enough to at least contend this season. If we don't contend, we've failed this season. If we fall out of the top 4, it's beyond failure. There's really no excuse for this team coming 5th.
 
kps88 said:
Wait. Does anyone actually want to sack him right now? Eight games in?
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There was a large (or at least decent sized!) amount of fans that didn't want him in the first place, after the start he's had its not surprising to see so many saying 'I told you so'.
 
adexkola said:
You underestimate the effect Ferguson had on the squad. He made this team more than the sum of it's parts. Plus, it is general consensus that all the teams in the league underperformed last season.

Yes he fecked up this game. I'm just not freaking out over it. Should I?
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All that points to is a greater vilification of Moyes...they've moved on, we don't appear to
 
adexkola said:
You underestimate the effect Ferguson had on the squad. He made this team more than the sum of it's parts. Plus, it is general consensus that all the teams in the league underperformed last season.

Yes he fecked up this game. I'm just not freaking out over it. Should I?
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You're underestimating the quality of players in the squad. We have some of the best players in Europe and plenty of very good players in most areas of the team. If anything there was more to get out of players who underperformed last season(i.e. the wingers and Rooney). Even central midfield, which has been acknowledged as a weakness, we had Carrick and a summer to strengthen.
 
Sir Matt said:
But they're above us because of some poor player performances but far more the turgid managerial performance by Moyes so far. Our squad quality is miles better than theirs, but they have played better football and gotten results. We've done neither.
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Exactly. That was my point - they deserve to be above us so we couldn't just assume we were going to win today.
 
Raoul said:
My concern with Moyes was that if he didn't get off to a good start, how would he be able to cope with the ensuing shitstorm of criticism and second guessing from the fans and media. Looks like we're well on our way to that happening .
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Moyes would be getting much less grief if he was going for wins and attacking. At least if he were playing with some fire, he would be getting the benefit of the doubt. Instead, he's been detrimental to the team with his defensive tactics and has cost us points trying to defend a 1-0 lead. I'm not sure he knows how to play decent football though.
 
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