Yep, and we're only 8 games into the season. Think of how much worse that pressure would get throughout the season if we continue to struggle to even look like a side capable of challenging for the top 4.
Moyes So Far!
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Yep, and we're only 8 games into the season. Think of how much worse that pressure would get throughout the season if we continue to struggle to even look like a side capable of challenging for the top 4.
Well yeah I didn't particularly want him either. But we're stuck with him now, for better or worse. Sacking him early would just lead to more turmoil and instability.
No one seems to have mentioned that players like Vidic, Rio, Evra, RVP, Rooney, Nani, Kagawa, world class players are been coached by Phil Neville and Ryan Giggs....
Two novice coaches who are only learning....I can't see these players having much time for that. I know I wouldnt if I was say RVP or Evra
Two novice coaches who are only learning....I can't see these players having much time for that. I know I wouldnt if I was say RVP or Evra
Something is clearly wrong.
No tempo, over paid for a midfielder that wasn't the right choice, failing to give Zaha, Kagawa opportunities, 1 point from 6 against Southampton and WBA....failed to win back to back games in the league this season.
People talk about Moyes being given time. Well, he is ultimately responsible for this team and we have major problems
No tempo, over paid for a midfielder that wasn't the right choice, failing to give Zaha, Kagawa opportunities, 1 point from 6 against Southampton and WBA....failed to win back to back games in the league this season.
People talk about Moyes being given time. Well, he is ultimately responsible for this team and we have major problems
I'm not going to be calling for his head to be sacked. But I'll be honest in that I never wanted him here in the first place because I didn't think he played positive enough football or was simply good enough to be manager of United. I don't think he has what it takes to lead us to a title, or any big trophy for that matter. Maybe an fa cup, but no chance for the Champions league or Premier league.
This isn't a case of giving him time or something like that. He's having us playing like Everton was for the most part these last 5 years. Except we're worse at it. What point is there giving him more time when there is nothing to suggest we're moving forward at all? Liverpool sacked Hodgson after what, half a year? Was the best thing possible for them. Sometimes you have to act swiftly before there are more lasting and damaging effects.
So far Moyes hasnt show the mentality to manage at United. Fergie some times also being negative, but he earn that right for setting us up so well offensively most of the time.
We might already have those two unwelcome guests, but I see what you mean. I can't see Moyes getting the push at this juncture but then again, I said the same about Owl Face at Liverpool and Cloughie at Leeds.
8 games in? If we're in this state by the end of the holiday slogfest, I'll hold my hands up.
In most areas?
People need to chill out, you don't suddenly switch managers after 26 years of stability without a few teething problems.
The sad irony being that we're mid table and Martinez's Everton are knocking on 4th.
I'd give him till Xmas. That way atleast if we do get a new manager, we could get to the top four. People don't get that not finishing top four is disastrous for us. So Glazers won't sit on their arse.
Chelsea sacked Di Matteo for being in third and five points off the top. If results are bad and we nowhere near the top four by Xmas then he needs to go.
Chelsea sacked Di Matteo for being in third and five points off the top. If results are bad and we nowhere near the top four by Xmas then he needs to go.
My biggest fear is not a lack of trophies this season - it's a lack of inspiring football, and also the fact that if we struggled to bring in players as champions, how likely are we to be able to strengthen the team if we're not?
I just want him out. It's clear as day he's not cut out for this job. There are some managers who do really well at smaller teams, I'm looking at moyes at everton, hodgson at fulham. However they just can't hack it at bigger clubs.
I know.
Saw someone say on twitter that Moyes has been trying to get Everton in front of United for 10 years, and he's finally managed it by taking over United
. Sad but true.Don't compare us with Chelsea, they're run by an idiot.
We should have beaten Southampton soundly today, no question. I am blaming Moyes for dropping 2 points. He could have brought on Hernandez, Kagawa, but instead he brings on Smalling and Giggs. All I am saying is, this goes into the file of lessons learned. If he doesn't learn from this, I'll be shocked.
"A few teething problems" is a bit of an understatement. Some people did not approve of Moyes when he was appointed. Since he started, he's fallen into all the cliche traps that people were worried about, ie defensive football and signing players like Fellaini who clearly don't fit in here. In those cases, they're hardly going to become more confident when he's done everything wrong they expected him to, and didn't want him for.
Top 4 spot, if he doesn't get that with this squad, it is simply impossible to keep him on board for me. I simply could not imagine us not being in the CL next year,would be surreal... but looking at how we are playing right now, it looks like its going to happen.
I knew we would struggle, i knew it would not be easy for him, but I never imagined him being so bad. He just seems incapable of winning, he has no clue what to do...
A side with Nani, Rooney and RvP shouldn't be looking like fodder against Southampton, SAF or no SAF. On form, before the game, I would have accepted a draw. It's the manner we arrived at it that worries. The subs were an escalation of negativity of epic proportions for a big club playing at home. He seems hellbent on closing out miserly 1-0 scorelines throwing on "hardworkers" and taking off those who can add to the scoreline, let alone find a goal if we concede. My concern is it will only be exacerbated as we fall behind the pack.
Game should have been won before he made those stupid substitutions. Clearly something is wrong because players that should be capable of winning matches like that are not making the effort they should be.
I'm hoping he will throw caution to the wings and become more daring after this setback.
My biggest fear is finishing outside the top 4 and the way we are playing it looks more and more likely every week. Perhaps I'm overreacting, but 4th place last season are now 8 points in front of us, so we really do need to start kicking on. None of this, "but it's early in the season", or "give him time". feck that, we need victory's and atm I don't care how we get them. Be it scrappy as feck whatever, just win and win ugly until we don't know how to lose. I'd settle for that atm.
Can't agree at the moment.
Moyes inherited a championship winning team which he "strengthened" with 27m midfielder.
I don't argue about the results and set of fixtures, if we were playing somehow acceptable then it's ok, but by the looks of it it's dire approach, dire subs, dire decisions, dire transfers...
He finishes 4th or 5th then he gets another chance and another summer, then again 11 points in 8 games next season we lose 2 seasons before new manager gets on board and has to have time to settle in and adapt, so effectively that's 3 seasons...
Football is far from what it was 30 years ago. Instant success is required because it is how it works when money come into play. We'll never have another Fergie.
Football moved on and the club has to adapt as well.
Liverpool missed 1 season to qualify for the CL 5 years ago and haven't qualified ever since...
We all hope for that. we have a winger who can't get a look in so far in Zaha; he plays with no fear
All these clichés you referred to, I always thought they were too "classic" to be true, like surely things would have been different. I know it's still early for Moyes in this job but it's weird seeing some of these concerns becoming a reality.
huge sense of deja vu reading that.
nothing is changing, could accept dropped points if it looked any way like we knew where we were going but it doesnt. new centre back pairing again today, and if we're pandering to rooney and insisting on playing a system that simply does not work then id prefer not play him.
Agreed. After his appointment I presumed the club wouldn't win the league, it would be Chelsea or City, but I anticipated a cake-walk top 4 and perhaps an FA Cup challenge. Anything else would be a bonus.
But I'm now seeing a manger that doesn't seem to understand tactics and in-game management. Or perhaps a mindset that doesn't understand how to manage a top tier club. Albeit a different sport, I've seen this with the Dallas Cowboys for two decades. Fire a championship winning coach (Jimmy Johnson) replace him with a crap, no-professional experience coach (Barry Switzer) and watch as tactics and discipline erode, then replace that guy with a coach that wasn't up to par for a top club (Chan Gailey) then replace him in two years with another subpar coach (Dave Campo) before righting the ship with the right guy (Bill Parcels, though the owner runs him out after four years for more crap coaches in Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett).
I sincerely hope Manchester United are not going that route now.
When we signed Moyes we all knew there would be a learning curve, it's a big step up for him and all. But I didn't expect to be such a huge learning curve. It feels a little like someone playing a new Football manager for the first time. Learning the transfer market, the team, trying different things... I'm not quite sure this is what the Glazers - or even Fergie - signed up for when they went for Moyes.
our dealings in the summer is coming back to haunt us. Fellani more and more looks a panic buy. And today's subs show that Moyes is clueless.
I am not saying he should be sacked but this is painful to watch to say the least.
I am not saying he should be sacked but this is painful to watch to say the least.
Better an idiot with an open bank account that blood-sucking leeches only concerned about profit margins.
That's true and as SAF said the new manager needs time but even this early on he just seems completely out of his depth, there's no positives to take from the performances or tactics or anything. It's not like we are playing well and just need to tinker with a few things, we look awful. I just dont think he (or his staff) have it in them to change it around, Id give him a season and judge him in the summer but its clear as day for me that he's not right for us.
They are a feeder club in fairness. If. Massive club came in for Klopp he would find it hard to say no
So champions by like 15 points to not finishing top four isn't disastrous?
Tell me what is ?
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