Moyes So Far!

[Count Orduck]

His ability to make the correct substitutions at the correct time is bafflingly poor.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Today doesn't change a lot for me. I still think he needs plenty of time to at least shape his own team and style before we declare him not up to the task. That said, my concern before he came in. Right now that's being borne out. We're playing quite a lot of direct balls and just chucking the ball aimlessly out wide over and over. It looks very similar to how Everton played. It's why we're doing so poorly at home. Out attacking threat is almost nil so at home, when teams make us play, we have very little in the way of creativity or invention. Hopefully this is just the fallow period while everyone adjusts.

Why would you want the team 'shaped' in Moyes' image? Are you a masochist?

 

[manusteve]

The difference is you don't appoint with the idea of sacking and Mourinhos managerial history and behaviour went against him.

Moyes' achievement history went in his favour? Because he will "theoretically" continue the tradition of promoting youth? Well fecking hell, good on him. Let's see how it pans out, huh?

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Still thirty games to go, give him time.

That's the point...30 games but where do you see us going? I don't see ant progression with such a group of quality players

 

[OneUnited24]

It'll take more than Kagawa to turn this around. I bet morale is down in the shitter about now.

I agree but I just don't think Moyes knows how to utilise the squad properly, hes set in playing his 442 and bending over backwards to play Rooney with (or ahead) of RvP when he should be looking to add balance to the team. Oh and use Felliani against teams that will try to out muscle us in midfield, NOT play around it.

 

[Leg-End]

We haven't finished outside the Top 3 let alone 4 in Premier League history, if Moyes can't deliver that at a minimum with a title winning squad then he will be gone, simple as that.

 

[DixieDean]

Mr negative strikes again. I honestly don't think you guys are going to reach the CL with him in charge. Which is a shocking performance. So far he is doing even worse then I thought he would. He simply has the wrong mentality to mange Utd. Taking off Rooney for Smalling sums him up.

 

[Enigma_87]

If someone like Klopp suddenly became available, would you want Moyes out this early into his Man United career?

He should've been brought in the first place. Mourinho and Klopp are managers that would bring stability right away. In Jose's case they he may not stay for a while, but we would certainly challenge. United needs stability at the moment (or instant success if you like) after Fergie and after decades with the same manager. Moyes is an average to good manager and always has been.

To be fair I think Martinez will be a better manager than him at some point. Everton at the moment are looking better with the new manager than they were last year with Moyes or how we are looking now with Moyes...

After dozen of games I can't see him being the best option for United. Far from it. The team has no face, no game, nothing...

 

[All 3 United]

He needs time to work. 8 Games into the season is nowhere enough, considering the quality of the squad he was left with.

It's not going to work, he plays the completely wrong style of football, that is already extremely evident.

 

[MrMarcello]

Did Everton not only get a better midfielder, did they also get a better manager?

 

[Raoul]

My concern with Moyes was that if he didn't get off to a good start, how would he be able to cope with the ensuing shitstorm of criticism and second guessing from the fans and media. Looks like we're well on our way to that happening .

 

[giggsyflying]

definitely wrong to replace fellani w giggs. it is not a CPL game. we need not use giggs to keep possession. apparently southamption will use long ball near the end, so it is stupid to take fellani away.

 

[gulli_G]

his obsession with rooney at the detriment of kagawa and hernandez is baffling. Rooney didn't do much today. Kagawa at least as a sub, but no we get Chris Smalling

 

[Sandikan]

Surely playing Rooney off the main striker would work better than this seeming need to play a straight 2 up front. Very few teams do this now.

Carrick and Fellaini is too immobile as a 2.

How would it have worked if we had bought Herrera? I'm genuinely interested, as surely we wouldn't have rotated a 28m midfielder?

I'm switching off now, too annoyed.

 

[kouroux]

Replacing SAF was always gonna be an extremely difficult job even for the likes of Mourinho, Moyes hasn't helped himself with his negative, small time mindset. Going for the kill doesn't always work and we've seen many examples of that during SAF's reign but Moyes has taken things to a low level in terms of enthusiasm, in terms of positivity.

 

[adexkola]

2 years is adequate time to give him. He signed a 6 year contract, the club is not going to fire him after one season of transition.

 

[Mersault]

Southampton have a plan, a style and a manager who really knows what he is doing

I hope Moyes can turn it around, but for him to do that would mean he'd have to have a style, a plan and I'm not sure he's really got one that works. The title looks like adventurous dreaming at the moment but what could happen is a new manager comes in next season and Moyes may have taken the most sting out of the follow-SAF-pressure

I just don't see how he's motivated the players or them responding to him, there seems to be no urgency in our play, a great lack of movement and no conviction. We can talk about players under-performing all day, but Moyes gets the credit and the blame. I was expecting that Southampton goal tbh, it was like we were asking for it

 

[Timdbro]

That's the point...30 games but where do you see us going? I don't see ant progression with such a group of quality players

Exactly. I think people would be a lot more patient with him if there were signs that he's trying to implement something, a playing style, a new approach, bringing loads of younger players in, whatever. As it is he's playing the sort of negative, hold on to slim leads stuff, that makes it all about the result. And the results have not been coming.

 

[charleysurf]

his obsession with rooney at the detriment of kagawa and hernandez is baffling. Rooney didn't do much today. Kagawa at least as a sub, but no we get Chris Smalling

Jesus, I really hope we sell Kagawa in January so this constant hyping of a player who has failed to deliver can cease.

 

[Castia]

Made my feelings known about him in the summer and he's proving me right so far, he's not the man for the job. There's nothing to tinker to make things better, our style of play and set up is awful not to mention we seem to be dropping points on a weekly basis. You look at the summer shambles and the way this season has started and it looks like nobody has a fecking clue what's going on.

He deserves a season at least but taking this team to a Champions League qualification scrap isn't good enough.

 

[Cheesy]

2 years is adequate time to give him. He signed a 6 year contract, the club is not going to fire him after one season of transition.

If we come 5th, then he'll go I expect. When we gave him a 6-year contract, it was with expectation that he would succeed and at the very least challenge for the title. If he doesn't do that then he will be sacked, or may walk due to the criticism and stick that comes his way from it.

 

[simonhch]

My concern with Moyes was that if he didn't get off to a good start, how would he be able to cope with the ensuing shitstorm of criticism and second guessing from the fans and media. Looks like we're well on our way to that happening .

Good post. It looked like it was going to be pretty rosy after a 4-1 win on the opening day and then a solid draw against Chelsea. Then it just fell to pieces.

One thing for sure, is that he needs to be brave and do something new. I have the feeling he is trying to play the way he thinks United want him to play. 4-4-2 etc, whereas he needs to mold the team to his vision. Everton were never this gash.

 

[antohan]

He needs time to work. 8 Games into the season is nowhere enough, considering the quality of the squad he was left with.

What? A strong PL winning squad which just needed a few reinforcements here and there? I agree with whoever said all he saw was fear, and that is only bound to get worse. Grow some balls FFS!

 

[beergod]

I actually thought the final substitution was a good one. Rooney was awful and Giggs isn't the player you want in the middle. The sub I thought was bad was bringing Giggs on for Nani.

 

[Mr Anderson]

What's worrying is the lack of leadership from the back. When you have rocks like Rio and Vidic you never stop working as they are on your case.Jones and Smalling have not got that yet

Our defence done well until the goal to be fair, Jones lost his man and should have never left him get goal-side. Our flat play with no tempo looks more concerning.

 

[Pink Moon]

Obviously the manager will always have to take a large portion of the blame when things aren't going the way they should but as a neutral I look at the United squad and it just screams average to me (ignoring one or two obvious names). I agree with an earlier poster that the 4-4-2 rigid style would be best gone. Look at the other "top" teams in the league and their creative players going forward then look at United's. That's not all down to Moyes. Arsenal have the likes of Ozil, Ramsey and Wilshere, Chelsea have Mata, Hazard, Oscar, City have Silva, Aguero, Nasri. United have who in that mould? Kagawa, who doesn't get a game and when he does it's never in the same role he excelled in at Dortmund where he was one of the top attacking players in the world.

Anderson, Young, Fellaini, Smalling, Cleverley, Welbeck, Valencia. All good players, don't get me wrong, but I don't think they're players who belong at the world's biggest club. I know Welbeck will be a contentious one as you guys love him but to me he just seems all style and little substance. For an attacker at Manchester United his finishing is diabolical. There's also a few guys in the squad who seem to be past their best that should probably be looking to be replaced sooner than later.

Hopefully Moyes can turn it around. I like him and I like United too but there's a lot of shit that needs repaired and not all of it is Moyes' doing though he must shoulder a large part of the blame, I accept that.

 

[devilish]

Did Everton not only get a better midfielder, did they also get a better manager?

Aye but Moyes is old school.

 

[Sir Matt]

his obsession with rooney at the detriment of kagawa and hernandez is baffling. Rooney didn't do much today. Kagawa at least as a sub, but no we get Chris Smalling

As he's shown with his tactics, he's not got the balls to bench Rooney for them. He's so concerned with keeping Rooney happy its a detriment to the team's performance. Rooney has been poor his last 3 matches for United but he doesn't need to try when he knows his spot is guaranteed.

 

[.Rossi]

Some of you are saying give him 2 seasons etc but if this pattern of performances and results continue, do you really believe he'll last that long?

He's somehow managed to turn champions into this...Thats some achievement I'll give him that

 

[Commadus]

Moyes is gone. The best he can hope for is a cup run but in the league he has no clue.

 

[Timdbro]

2 years is adequate time to give him. He signed a 6 year contract, the club is not going to fire him after one season of transition.

As others have said, if we fail to make the top 4 this season, I can't see the owners being too understanding. Not that I'm saying that we're anywhere near this scenario yet.

 

[An Irish Red]

With every passing week I'm more and more convinced that he is not right for us.

 

[giggsyflying]

kagawa is exactly the player we need (regardless of his form at this moment). the whole team lacks pace and speed of mind. kagawa can bring the sharpness of mind and change of speed for the game. play him please.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Jesus, I really hope we sell Kagawa in January so this constant hyping of a player who has failed to deliver can cease.

How has he failed to deliver? He's hardly had start....

 

[Someone]

My concern with Moyes was that if he didn't get off to a good start, how would he be able to cope with the ensuing shitstorm of criticism and second guessing from the fans and media. Looks like we're well on our way to that happening .

The real concern for me is the dressing room, at the end of the day what the media and the fans think doesn't matter as long as the players believe in him and want to help him, saf was invincible when it came to the dressing room, moyes isn't, once a couple of players start to doubt him it'll get much worse.

 

[kps88]

This team is broken and I don't think there's anything Moyes can do, short of transforming into SAF, to fix it at the moment. No possible starting lineups can magically save us. We messed things up in the summer and are going to have to take our medicine. Let's hope he uses this season to bed in the younger players and get to know exactly what is needed to fix things.

 

[Twisted_Woody]

Can we get a poll going....a Moyes in vs Moyes out poll?

 

[MrMarcello]

I know Welbeck will be a contentious one as you guys love him but to me he just seems all style and little substance. For an attacker at Manchester United his finishing is diabolical.

Case in point, right there near the end the ball comes down to Welbeck outside the box and takes a touch where as the likes of RVP would have volleyed it, or would have taken that touch and immediately moved forward in anticipation of the ball landing and then have a go. Welbeck takes a touch and then seemed frozen as if unable to contemplate what to do. By that time the S'hampton defender had moved to kick the ball away. Good player but massively overrated because he is a youth product.

 

[charleysurf]

Can we get a poll going....a Moyes in vs Moyes out poll?

fecking hell. The media and RAWK will love that. Embarassing stuff.
This forum is really showing itself up after all those years laughing at RAWK.

 

[Sixpence]

Top 4 is the absolute minimum.

You finish outside the top 4 and lose the massive champions league revenue and profile, and the owners will very soon notice that.

This is the crux of it, if he gets top 4 he'll be safe. He will be here for the whole season but if we aren't in the top 4 a change will be made. That's my view anyway. The Glazers won't put up with it, sentimentality from Fergie's thinking or not, long term plan etc, etc. They own the place, they will pull rank. The team winning things and being in the CL is their cash cow. It is unthinkable to see us miss out on the CL.