Moyes So Far!

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Moyes needs to have the courage to take more risk. United are expected to win every game, he has to show some ambition to do that.

The whole subs reeks cowardice and doesnt make sense at all.
 
He's basically playing the same football as he did at Everton and completely wasting the ability of our more technically gifted players.

Posters talking about being too far away already to challenge, challenge? Challenge for what surely not the title? Even if you take the results away and look at what's being played on the pitch it's dog awful and there is no way of a title push. Top 4 would be the best we can hope for but if things are still the same come Xmas, Moyes will be looking for another job.

I never understood his selection other that SAFs age old achilles heal of patriotism.
 
Traub said:
Looks completely out of his depth. On the job training for the next couple of seasons.
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If we finish outside the top 4 this season I don't think he'll have a couple of seasons, in fact I think he'll be shown the door sharpish
 
Mr Anderson said:
Our players show no confidence at times, some showed sloppy touches and slow decision making. No shot on target in 20 minutes leading upto southamptons goal. Subs made the game more flat.
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What's worrying is the lack of leadership from the back. When you have rocks like Rio and Vidic you never stop working as they are on your case.Jones and Smalling have not got that yet
 
1 win from 4 at home in the league now.

That's a pretty dam worrying stat when only one of them has been a top team.
 
If he doesn't make any January buys and then goes on to scrape/ miss out on fourth place, then I do want the guy gone. We're all sounding knee-jerking, but I'm afraid these feelings are ringing true. The man just doesn't seem up for it. Not even us simpletons would make brainfart subs like that.

But who would we be able to replace him that's actually available? I heard Ancelotti was asked by Fergie before Moyes joined. Whether that is true or not I have no clue, but I'm kind of wishing that was the case right now.
 
Ramshock said:
How do you keep a club going long term with a manager known for leaving after a few seasons? You dont. United dont do the Chelsea/City/Madrid thing. But as of right now I dont see Moyes lasting three years.
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You simply cannot predict the future. You can claim Mourinho would leave in 3 years, I can say he would have remained for 10 years as United is the top job in the sport.

If Moyes is sacked inside of three years, again, what is the difference?
 
OneUnited24 said:
If we finish outside the top 4 this season I don't think he'll have a couple of seasons, in fact I think he'll be shown the door sharpish
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I can actually see that happening if we can't beat shite like Southampton at home
 
#07 said:
Following a poor pre-season we've had a poor start. The signing of Fellaini set the tone: £27.5 million for such an average player when Monaco picked up an infinitely better centre midfielder in Joao Moutinho for £20 million announced the direction of travel. The fact Moyes thinks Fellaini is good enough for Man Utd shows his mentality isn't right.

His tactics and subs, not only today, but all season have been both confusing and, to my eyes, just wrong. Nani did nothing to warrant being subbed and was one of our main attacking threats. Removing him gave relief to Southampton and replacing him with Giggs unbalanced the XI. It seems that Moyes has some players he trusts and some he just doesn't. Nani like, for example, Chicharito or Kagawa seem to be in the do not trust box. If they play very well or have match changing performances they get game time but the second they aren't doing something totally unreal they get subbed. All the while other players can be consistently below par and still get selected...

Southampton came onto us but instead of fighting fire with fire and attempting to restore our attacking balance Moyes retreated. It was no shock when Southampton scored. We invited them to attack us after all, nai? Just as we have invited other teams on to us with negative selections and unwillingness to take risks.

Moyes says he needs 18 months to turn the team into his side. I'm baffled as to what that side will look like. I see no vision, no plan, no real philosophy. Just fear.
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Best post I've read on here in a while. You've basically said everything I wanted to say after that debacle today.

His "defend what you have" mentality at Everton was what I feared most when he was unveiled as our manager. I could overlook the lack of trophies, the lack of European experience and the lack of possessing a big name, but his pragmatic approach to the game - honed for eleven years at Goodison and at Deepdale before that - was what worried me.

His inconsistency in what he expects from various players cannot be good for team morale. Rooney, Vidic, Fellaini, van Persie et al have all under-performed at various stages of the season, but they're never left out of the team (unless Moyes is keeping them fresh for an upcoming fixture.) Nani, Kagawa, Hernandez and even the likes of Zaha must be furious seeing what's going on.
 
I really want to give him time and not get on his case. I made my feelings on him clear during the summer, but said I'd give him a chance, but Christ, he isn't making it easy. We look absolute shite at the minute. Our style of play is rubbish, if we even have a discernible style. And the changes are just bizarre.

What the feck has happened to us? We're like rabbits caught in the headlights.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
What's worrying is the lack of leadership from the back. When you have rocks like Rio and Vidic you never stop working as they are on your case.Jones and Smalling have not got that yet
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I thought Evans did a great job at the back today. But we do look a bit rudderless without either Rio or Vidic.
 
Red Shorts said:
If he doesn't make any January buys and then goes on to scrape/ miss out on fourth place, then I do want the guy gone. We're all sounding knee-jerking, but I'm afraid these feelings are ringing true. The man just doesn't seem up for it. Not even us simpletons would make brainfart subs like that.

But who would we be able to replace him that's actually available? I heard Ancelotti was asked by Fergie before Moyes joined. Whether that is true or not I have no clue, but I'm kind of wishing that was the case right now.
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Don't believe that for a moment. Moyes was always his man, cut from the same type of cloth.But this is seemingly too much for the guy.

Again it's the negativity in the team's play that so apparent
 
Bojan11 said:
His comments about hard fixture make him look foolish now. These are easy fixtures that we should be winning.
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This Saints team are some side, only have to look at their results so far this season. It was never a walkover, but at 1-0 up with a minute left, we should be seeing that out.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
I can actually see that happening if we can't beat shite like Southampton at home
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Finishing outside top four would involve results like these, and plenty of them. If people are getting frustrated after 2 bad home games, imagine what the situation will be after a whole season of it. That's why, I've held the opinion since the beginning that top 4 is the minimum requirement for the United job. If you don't get that that then it's goodbye!
 
Baffling.

He's really starting to scare me. Our entire game play is plan is one idea - give it to winger/fullback, cross, hope someone gets on end of it.

The reason? Rooney.

Moyes has pandered to Rooney‘s desire to play further forward. He is no longer behind RVP as a link between the midfield and attack. The gap between rooney and a deep, slow carrick is too great forcing us out wide to our wingers who seem to have been rold to hug the touchline and dont leave a space of more than 6 feet between you and the white line.

Rooney is playing better than last year but in the wrong position, this is more of a 442 than i have seen from utd in over a decade and its terrible, and predictable.

The players appear to have forgotton how to play football well. You have to ask why. SAF was not so much of a good manager that he could turn that shite into champions. There is something wrong at United behind the scenes, they are not enjoying playing for us.
 
The Neviller said:
I really want to give him time and not get on his case. I made my feelings on him clear during the summer, but said I'd give him a chance, but Christ, he isn't making it easy. We look absolute shite at the minute. Our style of play is rubbish, if we even have a discernible style. And the changes are just bizarre.

What the feck has happened to us? We're like rabbits caught in the headlights.
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Pretty much how I feel too.

He's making it really hard to back him.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
I can actually see that happening if we can't beat shite like Southampton at home
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Lets give credit Southampton were good, and they have beaten Liverpool away this season. But I agree and think we should be winning all our home games regardless of the opposition but with moyes he plays it too safe for my liking, see today and vs Chelsea
 
I can't see any sort of tactical evolution at all. I had high hopes for Moyes, but this has been utterly appalling. We have zero cohesion whatsoever. Playing some of the ugliest football in the league and relying on individual brilliance to scrape the few points we do have. The new Liverpool.
 
The new manager is not very good isn't he? If he fecks off can he take the bean pole with the funny hair with him?
 
MrMarcello said:
You simply cannot predict the future. You can claim Mourinho would leave in 3 years, I can say he would have remained for 10 years as United is the top job in the sport.

If Moyes is sacked inside of three years, again, what is the difference?
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The difference is you don't appoint with the idea of sacking and Mourinhos managerial history and behaviour went against him.
 
give him until january, but currently weve gone from playing fast crisp passing last year to getting caught on the ball too much
 
The Neviller said:
As long as he could? What was the need to bring Rooney off, and for Smalling for that matter?
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We needed more control in the middle, so one of the strikers needing to make way. And smalling was I imagine brought on for his height, obviously didn't help in the end but could see the thinking. Personally I think he got the subs wrong but I also think taking one of Rooney/RVP off wasn't the worst idea, he just did it too late for me and with his other subs we couldn't get the effect from them we needed.
 
Top 4 is the absolute minimum.

You finish outside the top 4 and lose the massive champions league revenue and profile, and the owners will very soon notice that.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Don't believe that for a moment. Moyes was always his man, cut from the same type of cloth.But this is seemingly too much for the guy.

Again it's the negativity in the team's play that so apparent
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The thing is though, are they really 'cut from the same cloth'? Both are Glaswegian Scots, but that shouldn't be enough for someone to be your man. Hell, Steve Kean is from Glasgow but no one would say he's cut from the same cloth as Fergie. As a manager, I'm seeing little from Moyes that makes him look like he's similar to Fergie when it comes to his decisions etc.
 
Today doesn't change a lot for me. I still think he needs plenty of time to at least shape his own team and style before we declare him not up to the task. That said, my concern before he came in. Right now that's being borne out. We're playing quite a lot of direct balls and just chucking the ball aimlessly out wide over and over. It looks very similar to how Everton played. It's why we're doing so poorly at home. Out attacking threat is almost nil so at home, when teams make us play, we have very little in the way of creativity or invention. Hopefully this is just the fallow period while everyone adjusts.
 
duffer said:
If someone like Klopp suddenly became available, would you want Moyes out this early into his Man United career?
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Moyes will have to be given the season. No point in doing anything else. He should definitely get the sack if he doesn't finish in the top 4.
 
Im just concerned that we aren't even challenging for the title already at this early stage. Then with the debacle over the summer im not sure if Moyes is capable of "fixing" or "rebuilding" this team into title winners (let alone CL winners).

Its definitely the worst possible scenario that David Moyes is going through right now.
 
Everton came out of this summer a far stronger team. I thought when Martinez went there he would do well and you know what he's actually won something before!

The Everton players(Distin interview) have been coming out with things like, 'we're now being asked to bring the ball out of defence'. This sounded huge alarm bells in my head.
 
Thjis starting teams are getting better, well they have in the past couple of games, it is his subs that are letting him down, irts like he has no clue what to do with them and just puts them on and pulls the nearest player off.
 
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