Second leg still to come. Worse teams with better managers have turned bigger first leg deficits. It's improbable, but if Moyes stays it's impossible.
Moyes has to go
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Second leg still to come. Worse teams with better managers have turned bigger first leg deficits. It's improbable, but if Moyes stays it's impossible.
In all honesty, this performance reminded me of a lot of our away matches in Europe in recent years, with Fergie. Obviously, we just got better results with him.
Anyhow, five other CL matches were played in the last week, the away team won every and each one, mostly with excellent performances, against far better opposition. Fergie's retirement was sad, but it was also a chance to move forward in terms of modern football. But we needed the right manager for that and we got the worse. He has to go, he's simply not the right man, and if we don't do it in the summer at the latest we'll pay for it in years to come.
Anyhow, five other CL matches were played in the last week, the away team won every and each one, mostly with excellent performances, against far better opposition. Fergie's retirement was sad, but it was also a chance to move forward in terms of modern football. But we needed the right manager for that and we got the worse. He has to go, he's simply not the right man, and if we don't do it in the summer at the latest we'll pay for it in years to come.
Why wait until the end of the season if you know you are going to sack him?
Does the Pope shit in the woods?
If you're already decided then why wait? Get some new energy, maybe give a coach (if we can find a permanent one) time to get to know the players. It will only get worse under Moyes.
You really that clueless that you thought he's been doing the right things? How about no Valencia and Young on the wings when we already have Smalling at right back. How about trying to pass it around, and do give and go's and not only do crosses. How about buy a proper playmaking midfielder, and not Fellaini. How about not freezing Kagawa out of the squad, and never playing Nani when he was fit. How about selling mid table players like Valencia and Young to clubs they are more comfortable in (like Aston Villa again). Add Cleverley in there too. How about having any clue tactically, and press the opposition and not sit back and defend deep against every single team? Or what about not looking slightly insane and blaming every single little thing other then accepting responsibility that it is his fault we are in this position? It doesn't take a genius to have us playing decently, and challenge for the top 4. You might need to be a top manager to challenge for trophies, but with our squad, anybody who is willing to adapt and wants to play proper, attacking football could do a better job then Moyes. And I mean anyone.
Manchester United manager David Moyes:
''That's the worst we've played in Europe, we didn't deserve to get anything.'
''I'm surprised, I didn't see that level of performance coming. I take responsibility, we have to play better.
'The players are hurting."
''That's the worst we've played in Europe, we didn't deserve to get anything.'
''I'm surprised, I didn't see that level of performance coming. I take responsibility, we have to play better.
'The players are hurting."
I don't know why we would wait until the end of the season. There's no point in letting him make us even worse.
I understand after 7 months of shite we expect more, but with Kagawa playing his last football in the CoC semi and Mata out, the system we played on Saturday was out of the question. We played Carrick and Cleverley expecting Carrick to control the game, which he failed/didn't want to do, we played AV and AY to both negate their highly attacking fullbacks and get crosses in and Rooney was played in his usual position. I look at the squad and I look at the players we had available today and frankly I don't see what else we could do.
I want anybody on this forum to present me with a detailed argument outlining how our play last season was phenomenally fluid, with utter disregard for wingers and beautiful interplay between Rooney, RVP and Kagawa. I expect there will be little mention of the fact RVP got he golden boot and rescued us 28 (I think) points as well as Michael Carrick having such a season we compare him favourably with Scholes. Do not forget to play down the fact that Rio, Evans, Rafael and Evra were all developing a great understanding.
He's turned a team of champions into a championship team... I'm trademarking that statement. #moyesout
The poll is damning.
I think there might be a point to hire a new manager now after all. He gets to know the squad, and so can make better decisions in the Summer about whom to sell, whom to keep and whom to buy.
And who knows 2-0 against Olympiacos is not impossible to overturn, we would have done it last year imo. Not under the current circumstances though.
And who knows 2-0 against Olympiacos is not impossible to overturn, we would have done it last year imo. Not under the current circumstances though.
I've said it from the moment he was appointed, he is the wrong man for the job.
Results and performances, though, have been far worse than I or anyone else could have ever imagined. It's now probably too late to salvage our season, but at least let's rid ourselves of this cancer before it spreads any further.
Moyes' aura of cowardice and negativity is already permeating throughout the squad. Please, let's act now.
Results and performances, though, have been far worse than I or anyone else could have ever imagined. It's now probably too late to salvage our season, but at least let's rid ourselves of this cancer before it spreads any further.
Moyes' aura of cowardice and negativity is already permeating throughout the squad. Please, let's act now.
Are you insane? Of course he should.
We need to bring someone in now until the Summer and then re-evaluate.
We need to bring someone in now until the Summer and then re-evaluate.
For the record he shouldn't be sacked. I voted no, well not yet he shouldn't anyway.
If Woodward is smart (and I think he is), if the lawyers writing the United contracts know what they're doing (and I think they do) they would have inserted a clause where they could force him to resign if they wished should he fail to make top four.
He has under-performed considerably and therefore mandatory resignation and so no severance pay is fair.
If Woodward is smart (and I think he is), if the lawyers writing the United contracts know what they're doing (and I think they do) they would have inserted a clause where they could force him to resign if they wished should he fail to make top four.
He has under-performed considerably and therefore mandatory resignation and so no severance pay is fair.
Last season we won the league. This season we look as if midtable is a struggle. Last season we made the best out of what we had. This season we just think "F*** it, we'lll play the same way each week regardless"
F*** last season. If you put a wet finger in a plug socket then deal with your stupidty rather than ask "tell me when last week I didn't"
Not really, a bunch of clueless internet idiots have no say in the matter.
Yet every fan did as soon as we saw the lineup.
I have mistaken you for the other Charle. Apologies.
I really feel bad for Moyes looking at that interview. He should resign for the best of all parties, himself included. Its never going to happen though, too much pride involved and it will end in tears for him.
He was probably the only one.
The manager has hung the players out to dry. They're the only ones all season who have taken any responsibility. The manager isn't fit to manage.
He will unquestionably be here for the next game. Zero chance of him even being under pressure. He has more chance of winning 'Mr Charisma 2014' than he does of getting sacked anytime soon!
It was that blatant wasn't it
Moyes is so negative, you'd think he was battling relegation setting up not to lose. I know we have done a professional job in the first leg in the past, but I have no faith in Moyes in a single game let alone over two legs.
There had been a part of me that, deep down, believed Moyes had something in him to resurrect a little bit of good form at some point in the season. The longer this has gone on, added to the weird team selection tonight has made it pretty clear that the job is too much for him. It was awful beyond belief tonight. The team was set-up to create chances from wide, but when your wide players are Valencia & Young with Smalling (horrendous RB) and Evra, you can't be surprised when you create feck all. Cleverley is a passenger in these games and is far too limited in his ability to have any effect on a game like that.
He's just lost.
He's just lost.
All 3 of the 'no' votes are oppo fans for sure 
Agree with all of that really. The main thing for me about all this is that basically every player (Januzaj probably the only exception) is playing worse this season. Yeah, you can talk about "professional responsibility", "players are grown-ups, so they shouldn't play this bad regardless of who's the manager" and what not, but when the whole team is failing you've simply got to look at the manager.
The most amazing thing to me about the whole thing, is the lack of criticism for him from the media. What are they scared of exactly? Imagine if AVB had done this to Utd. He would be rightly slaughtered. Instead the media chose to re write history and claim that the squad is poor and needs a 'massive overhaul'. It's bizarre.
But you voted yes. You mean, 'does a bear shit in the woods?'
I don't blame him fully, but I agree he has to go. The players have underperformed badly but Moyes needs to be able to motivate them and employ good tactics and seems unable to do either.
Feel the same. The guy has got a job beyond his station and it's showing.
Funny thing is, he hasn't had a title race/mind games scenario etc for these bad performances. He's genuinely been given a free ride and still screwed it up.
The second option certainly seems pointless.
I've got to admit, I'm finding it harder to vote "no"... I still think we should give him time, but if I woke up tomorrow to find him gone, I can't pretend I'd be upset about it.
I think his "Pre-historic tactis" etc are massively over-egged on here by people who think they are experts or visionaries, but something is clearly going badly wrong just in terms of getting players to realise their ability. As I said in another thread, Moyes isn't telling them to go out there and be unable to pass, or to get tackled every time they get the ball, but for some reason that's what they're all doing. And ultimately the buck stops with the manager.
I've got to admit, I'm finding it harder to vote "no"... I still think we should give him time, but if I woke up tomorrow to find him gone, I can't pretend I'd be upset about it.
I think his "Pre-historic tactis" etc are massively over-egged on here by people who think they are experts or visionaries, but something is clearly going badly wrong just in terms of getting players to realise their ability. As I said in another thread, Moyes isn't telling them to go out there and be unable to pass, or to get tackled every time they get the ball, but for some reason that's what they're all doing. And ultimately the buck stops with the manager.
Breaking News: Moyes chased by a wild mob through the streets of Piräus after the game.
Meerrrggeee
Sorry about that guys, my eyesight has returned! Moyes has stripped Carrick of his ability to control a game and has robbed RVP's ability to finish. Moyes you disgusting human!!