No, that's a complete load of bollocks I'm afraid.
Moyes has to go
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No, that's a complete load of bollocks I'm afraid.
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We need some serious good luck attracting players in the summer with this man in charge.
Add a poll please. 
This. I'm not saying Moyes got it anything but disastrously wrong, but there is no excuse whatsoever for how bad the players were. Unless Moyes instructed them to underhit all their passes 50% so the opposition could get them, or save time and just pass crisply to the nearest greek player.
The OP seems about as useful as a nipple on a bull.
poll up.
He's right. Should have been 4 or 5.
As bad as we've been I just couldn't see how we could lose this but that was undoubtedly one of the worst united displays I can remember seeing in a season of poor displays.
I mean how many times can we make the same mistakes/cause our own problems before the penny drops? I'm not even talking about sacking him (although I'm very close to the Moyes Out category now. Just in general, how can you not see the same pattern of problems and not address it.
Firstly in both cup ties it's been us playing the occassion rather than the team. Sunderland/Olymp aren't exactly the teams you should fear away from home, where's the ambition or belief in the team.
But even then fair enough you can say we're not playing well, lets just get a draw/grind a win and take it to OT, but you have to play to your strengths. All season we've struggled to look solid. You can drop Rooney and sometimes it helps but too often the positioning just isn't there and players aren't on the same wavelength. In the opening parts of the games there were times when Clev was randomly leaving the centre to press someone on the wing when both Young and Evra were already there. sometimes you had two players marking one man and sometimes no one was marking someone in a clear danger area.
So right away trying to play defensive doesn't work when you keep making mistakes at the back and your tactical positioning/decision making isn't there.
Then, the thing I find most annoying is that there's no threat on the counter at all. As soon as we even touch the ball, half the attacking players are running up the pitch and out of sight. I mean Vidic/Rio/Carrick could do more to bring the ball up the pitch a little, but particularly for Carrick so often he gets the ball and there is no one there. And even if say Clev has actually stayed nearby he literally comes short gives it back and then runs off to somewhere where no one can get it to him. We've seen it so many times, we can barely get out of our own half because there's just no patience. The few times there we are, we created something.
Ultimately though you could just see the players came out negatively and as a result played slow and carelessly and as much as you can blame some players and some of them were awful, you have to say is the manager getting them fired up? Clearly not. Has he got them organised? No we repeatedly look completely open as soon as anyone, regardless of who they are moves towards out players with the ball. Has he got the attack working? No, continually he's opted for allowing the key creative points come through our worst creative players atm.
People can say that he needed time to assess the squad but the key issues, weaknesses centrally and out wide, and recurring defensive injuries are something that I think he should just know, any neutral/rival who watches the PL regularly would be able to tell you that. This is his job, he's got no excuses for that.
I mean how many times can we make the same mistakes/cause our own problems before the penny drops? I'm not even talking about sacking him (although I'm very close to the Moyes Out category now. Just in general, how can you not see the same pattern of problems and not address it.
Firstly in both cup ties it's been us playing the occassion rather than the team. Sunderland/Olymp aren't exactly the teams you should fear away from home, where's the ambition or belief in the team.
But even then fair enough you can say we're not playing well, lets just get a draw/grind a win and take it to OT, but you have to play to your strengths. All season we've struggled to look solid. You can drop Rooney and sometimes it helps but too often the positioning just isn't there and players aren't on the same wavelength. In the opening parts of the games there were times when Clev was randomly leaving the centre to press someone on the wing when both Young and Evra were already there. sometimes you had two players marking one man and sometimes no one was marking someone in a clear danger area.
So right away trying to play defensive doesn't work when you keep making mistakes at the back and your tactical positioning/decision making isn't there.
Then, the thing I find most annoying is that there's no threat on the counter at all. As soon as we even touch the ball, half the attacking players are running up the pitch and out of sight. I mean Vidic/Rio/Carrick could do more to bring the ball up the pitch a little, but particularly for Carrick so often he gets the ball and there is no one there. And even if say Clev has actually stayed nearby he literally comes short gives it back and then runs off to somewhere where no one can get it to him. We've seen it so many times, we can barely get out of our own half because there's just no patience. The few times there we are, we created something.
Ultimately though you could just see the players came out negatively and as a result played slow and carelessly and as much as you can blame some players and some of them were awful, you have to say is the manager getting them fired up? Clearly not. Has he got them organised? No we repeatedly look completely open as soon as anyone, regardless of who they are moves towards out players with the ball. Has he got the attack working? No, continually he's opted for allowing the key creative points come through our worst creative players atm.
People can say that he needed time to assess the squad but the key issues, weaknesses centrally and out wide, and recurring defensive injuries are something that I think he should just know, any neutral/rival who watches the PL regularly would be able to tell you that. This is his job, he's got no excuses for that.
Ahhhh, but it was destroyed in one day and then rebuilt over six years by the guy who destroyed it in the first place..............right?!?!
Football professors, what should the man have done different?
Does that need a poll really? Can anyone still want him to stay really?
I didn't oppose to hiring Moyes in the first place (he didn't seem like the best choice for me, but whatever - I wanted to give him time), for the first many months I was thinking "let's give him a bit of time and see if he can turn it around once he's implemented his ideas etc." and since new years I've been a bit on the fence. Enough is enough though, and it seems painfully clear that "giving him time to implement his philosophy" might not be a great idea, as the team seems to get worse by the week. Yeah, we beat Palace in the weekend, but so what? With all respect to Palace, that should be a given and the fact that the commentators went on and on about our "great game in the weekend" says all you need to know about our current situation. Our defence is shaky and our attacking play is outright laughable - there's no fluidity at all, and almost all the chances we actually do manage to create is from flashes of individual brilliance. We have so many great attacking players in the team, but there's no signs of good inter-play developing among them.
Yes, our central midfield is shit and there's other areas that could easily be improved, but that doesn't excuse him any longer really. Fair enough that he can't win the PL or CL with the team, but a United manager should do a hell of a lot better than he is.
I have no idea who should take over, nor do I really care at this point as it'll only be temporary I imagine (don't know what top-manager we could possibly get to ditch his current club at this point in the season). Make Giggs player-manager or whatever. We've got nothing to play for anyway, and our play quite honestly can't be worse and more soul-destroying than it currently is.
Yes, our central midfield is shit and there's other areas that could easily be improved, but that doesn't excuse him any longer really. Fair enough that he can't win the PL or CL with the team, but a United manager should do a hell of a lot better than he is.
I have no idea who should take over, nor do I really care at this point as it'll only be temporary I imagine (don't know what top-manager we could possibly get to ditch his current club at this point in the season). Make Giggs player-manager or whatever. We've got nothing to play for anyway, and our play quite honestly can't be worse and more soul-destroying than it currently is.
Moyes: "I take responsibility, it's my team. I'll always front it up. One good thing is there is a second game to come"
Moyes: "There's a second game but we'll do what we can to reverse the defeat tonight"
Moyes: "There's a second game but we'll do what we can to reverse the defeat tonight"
Poll thread.
No he doesn't have to go
Any coach would have struggled post-Ferguson
Give him a couple years and he'll be contending for the title.
Any coach would have struggled post-Ferguson
Give him a couple years and he'll be contending for the title.
Time for The Equalizer to neutralize the threat.
I dunno really, it's hard to put your finger on. I suppose, and I'm just shooting from the hip here, but it's just possible that after 7 months of utter garbage that perhaps he might...oh I don't know....learn from it?
Maybe I'm out of line here but I think perhaps it would help if he actually noticed things and stuff.
The sad thing is that he probably will still be here for the second game.
Tomorrow.
More likely is that this post will be pretty silly... Moyes will be sacked, its just a question of when. He doesn't have it in him to fix things.
That's exactly my thoughts after hearing the interview
No.
End of the season. No point now
Ferguson and his love for power and control.
If the Glazers sack Moyes they risk upsetting Fergie. If Ferguson turns on them, he'll probably let the world know the truth about the finances.
I suspect the Glazers don't want United fans to up the protests and make life difficult for them, this could affect the share price. Especially since the sponsors won't want such bad press.
I have a feeling it was not lack of value in the market that stopped Ferguson spending early on in their reign but the need for our transfer budget to be used instead to service the debt. Perhaps if they don't do as he says then he will tell the world how they came so close to crippling the football club.
They care only for the share price so I think if Ferguson wants Moyes to be given time then that's what he'll get. Ferguson in turn probably won't sack Moyes because he'll look like a hypocrite.
So basically the best thing for all parties involved is to help Moyes turn things around.
If the Glazers sack Moyes they risk upsetting Fergie. If Ferguson turns on them, he'll probably let the world know the truth about the finances.
I suspect the Glazers don't want United fans to up the protests and make life difficult for them, this could affect the share price. Especially since the sponsors won't want such bad press.
I have a feeling it was not lack of value in the market that stopped Ferguson spending early on in their reign but the need for our transfer budget to be used instead to service the debt. Perhaps if they don't do as he says then he will tell the world how they came so close to crippling the football club.
They care only for the share price so I think if Ferguson wants Moyes to be given time then that's what he'll get. Ferguson in turn probably won't sack Moyes because he'll look like a hypocrite.
So basically the best thing for all parties involved is to help Moyes turn things around.
Yes. By the end of 6 years it was smaller though. We will win on the 6th year a Cup (probably Emirates Cup) if we stick with Moyes.
Struggling to build a case for him staying I'm afraid.
Almost 1 year ago we were unlucky to be put out of Europe by Madrid. We went on to win the league comfortably. Its still February and we are in 6th in the out, as good as out of Europe. We lost no players, and spend £70 million on 2. The only other change is the manager and his coaching staff. They should all be fired tomorrow.
As soon as possible. Previously I thought that it'd be disruptive to get someone else in at this point, but I'm not sure anyone could possibly be worse, even an interim would do better than this, and have a set of balls.
What the risk of getting somebody new in? We might actually win a few games!
I've always advocated giving him time but IF he was to be sacked right now I don't think he could have many complaints. Because the basis for sticking with him is the idea that given time to do the job he'll be capable of it. But almost everything he's done this season - and I'm firmly of the view that the players are letting him down - has been below the standards expected at the club. He hasn't shown anything in his time here to justify that faith. It's mostly based upon his previous record and the faith shown in him by the club.
Put another way, even allowing for players being on the decline, not getting the players he wanted, if he was managing Madrid or Barca with the squads they have and setting them up the way he is us or making as many mistakes as he quite obviously is now, I don't think they'd be top of the table. As much as our players are letting him down, I think he's letting them down.
Put another way, even allowing for players being on the decline, not getting the players he wanted, if he was managing Madrid or Barca with the squads they have and setting them up the way he is us or making as many mistakes as he quite obviously is now, I don't think they'd be top of the table. As much as our players are letting him down, I think he's letting them down.
No brainer.
Yes. He's clearly not the man for the job, the board made a mistake lets put it right before things get seriously out of hand.
Disagree, go now and hopefully we can end the season with some kind of good form. Moyes till the end of the season will just be more of the same
If this carries on, I'll be able to buy United, never mind MUST.
I'd say there is a point now. I don't want to see another summer of haphazard transfer dealings and speculation, where the new manager hasn't had the time to be able to identify the targets he wants. Unless of course a pre-contract is drawn up now and the new man can prepare before he officially takes the job.
Sweet Jesus. Is it you?