The Moyes Effect. I like that. Henceforth any manager who tanks his team will be said to have pulled a Moyes.
eg. Fulham fans : WTF ? Magath pulled a Moyes and got us relegated.
Moyes has to go
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The Moyes Effect. I like that. Henceforth any manager who tanks his team will be said to have pulled a Moyes.
eg. Fulham fans : WTF ? Magath pulled a Moyes and got us relegated.
Personally, my worry about giving Moyes that money is the evidence we have on who he has faith in and who he doesn't and who he will look to replace.
Fan favourites like Kagawa, Rafael, Hernandez and even Nani seem to be out of favour (even when fit) while he persists with Young and Valencia in the wings and Smalling at right back.
In my opinion he hasn't used this squad well this season so I worry about what his plans are for next season.
Is he going to persist with Young and Valencia and spend a lot of money trying to replace Van Persie who it seems isn't enamoured with him?
All of that remains to be seen.
The only player he's blatantly given up on is Anderson, a decision Fergie should have made years ago. Vidic leaving is a bit of a blow but not sure it was Moyes' decision.
In terms of who he includes in future plans he got Januzaj, Nani and Rooney to sign new contracts and bought in Mata and Fellaini. The only potentially worry there is Fellaini but I still think he might come good. The others are all very good decisions IMO.
For me he's given up on Kagawa as well. Not quite as blatantly as he's given up on Anderson. But it seems pretty clear. Hope Im wrong.
Up until the Olympiakos game I'd have disagreed with you, as Moyes seemed to use him a lot in Europe.
Actually, every single element in that fecking game made me lose faith in Moyes come to think of it...
Horrible, horrible night. I shudder to think about it.
Up until the Olympiakos game I'd have disagreed with you, as Moyes seemed to use him a lot in Europe.
Actually, every single element in that fecking game made me lose faith in Moyes come to think of it...
At least, there's a second leg to turn around some of the faith for Moyes.
It's the truth.WTF is this ?
I watched it on an iPad with a dubious wifi connection, while pissed as a fart in a swanky hotel bar in Berlin. Throwing over-priced beer and bar snacks into me in a state of sheer disbelief. One of the most unpleasant 90 minutes I can remember.
If he gets picked.
You appear to have faith in Moyes to get it right, unless I'm mistaken, but on what basis do you have that faith?
The point people are making is that on current showing, he can't be trusted to spend that kind of cash & get it right if he can't get a Championship winning side playing decent football or even challenging for the Top 4.
Edit: I didn't see you post above about losing faith in Moyes, so are you playing devils advocate or not?
Back it up then.
The Moyes Effect.
I started to drink alcohol again after being sober for nearly 8 years.
I turn off my mobile when United play in order to avoid all the smileys.
My Liverpool friends started to buy me drinks to celebrate..... David Moyes.
I started to drink alcohol again after being sober for nearly 8 years.
I turn off my mobile when United play in order to avoid all the smileys.
My Liverpool friends started to buy me drinks to celebrate..... David Moyes.
Might I point out that while Anderson was at the club, we got a higher points per game ratio when he started PL matches than our average PL points per game across those seasons. He also started a significant number of matches against the top sides relative to his total number of starts. Early days for Mata and Fellaini but so far, we have a lower points per game ratio when they start PL games than our average for the season.
While I can understand why Moyes might not rate Anderson, I am struggling to comprehend that the same manager is willing to play Giggs in central midfield. In terms of work-rate, willingness to get back into position after going forward, defensive discipline etc, Giggs is even worse than Anderson.
I'm fairly sure you can find the answers you seek in the thousands of fecking posts I've made about Moyes on here this last few weeks. I really can't go over it all again.
Anderson is wank. Been saying it for years. We're well rid of him.
Giggs has earned the right to retire on his own terms. It's not as though Moyes has used him much anyway.
In all honestly, I can't be arsed, and I shouldn't really have to.
What 'sensible pundits' are you referring to here?
I'm intrigued as to what pundits when talking about Moyes' United could be viewed as sensible.
I edited my post when I saw what you had posted above.
Anyone with an interest in football and half a brain really. Fergie's departure was always going to be massively destabilising for the club. I mean we've already watched us go into freefall once at the mere suggestion that he was retiring at the end of the season. This was with Fergie still in charge!
Yeah yeah, so can you name the 'sensible pundits' you were referring to?
A couple of weeks ago I watched Anderson for Fiorentina in a Coppa Italia match - he looked incredibly slow even by their standards..
Having said that, he might resurrect his career over there, but he s not MU level for sure . He had more than enough time to prove it, but instead of progressing he we go worse and worse (or fatter and fatter...)
Seriously? Christ, you're tedious. Pick up a broadsheet. Every decent football journalist out there is trying to unpick how much of our decline can be laid at Moyes door and how much is a consequence of the void left by Fergie's departure. You really want me to name names?
Ok, you've lost me. What's your definition of a pundit? Doesn't it include people who earn their living writing about football?
Even if you discount journalists, everyone Ive seen talking about United on MOTD this season has said it at some point. Though then you can get into a semantic argument about whether Hansen, Shearer et al are sensible.
In all probability he wants a name and surname and a full quote including the date when he said it. ....if you add a telephone number it would be even better
Fred Done didnt say it, which surely also adds credibility to the argument.
Don't go making statements then if you can't be arsed to provide evidence.
Dry em
Good post. Very constructive and nuanced.
Can anyone work out why Moyes persists with Young and Valencia? Given the pressure he is under, it seems like getting the fans on his side would be a pretty high item on his list of priorities. I just don't get what he loses by starting 'fan favorites'. It's not like we can play any worse - we're abhorrent to watch. People are flooding out of OT early. I'd imagine TV channels are getting changed.
It would be different if Young, Valencia and co were helping us be solid and grind out results. But it's the opposite. We're porous, can't attack and can't defend. So why not mix it up ffs?
It doesn't even make sense if it's 'fear'. His fear should be the sack - which is looking inevitable. Way back at the start of the season most of us were on board with him having a rock year, as long as he gave young players a chance, and moved us towards a goal. He's doing the opposite, he's receded back into a shell of playing limited, 'hard working' players who are not bringing us results.
I just can't work out what goes through his mind.
It would be different if Young, Valencia and co were helping us be solid and grind out results. But it's the opposite. We're porous, can't attack and can't defend. So why not mix it up ffs?
It doesn't even make sense if it's 'fear'. His fear should be the sack - which is looking inevitable. Way back at the start of the season most of us were on board with him having a rock year, as long as he gave young players a chance, and moved us towards a goal. He's doing the opposite, he's receded back into a shell of playing limited, 'hard working' players who are not bringing us results.
I just can't work out what goes through his mind.
Thank you.
tbf, Moyes has been given an incredibly easy ride so far.
He has but it's starting to turn.
fecks sake, spoiler that shit!
In all probability he wants a name and surname and a full quote including the date when he said it. ....if you add a telephone number it would be even better
Nope, just the names of the "sensible pundits" he was referring to
He keeps starting them because they are our two most experienced options in the wide positions and they're both at the age where they SHOULD be excelling and SHOULD have become players which we could rely on. On paper they're the safe pick. I feel some sympathy for Moyes here.
His alterative options are somewhat limited too. He'd obviously prefer to pick Mata than one of them. For the other flank, Nani is always injured (although probably could have been more involved earlier in the season). He's being cautious with Januzaj (probably slightly too cautious - but it's not an overly big deal IMO). He's not choosing to play Welbeck as a winger, which is fine by me too. Nor does he want to play Giggs on the wing - again, fine by me.
The only real big, unquestionable mistake he is making is under using Kagawa - who isn't overly suited to the position anyway.
I think it's time for Moyes to go but I do hold some hope that if he does remain in charge this summer then he would be wise enough to get rid of Valencia and Young and bring in more suitable options.
Probably because people that are better placed within the sport than the average poster here are more in tune to the size of the task