Moyes has to go

Moyes out?

  • Knee jerk/I object to the term knee jerk because I told you he was going to be rubbish in 2003

    Votes: 296 80.4%

  • Head in sand/My name is Baghdad Bob and everything is going to be OK

    Votes: 72 19.6%
  • Total voters
    368
  • Poll closed .
I was talking to a fellow red today, he said the ideal purchase for us this summer to be effective for the kind of football we've been playing would be Andy Carrol.
I couldn't disagree. I died a little inside.
 
MoBeats said:
I was talking to a fellow red today, he said the ideal purchase for us this summer to be effective for the kind of football we've been playing would be Andy Carrol.
I couldn't disagree. I died a little inside.
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Carroll could be a great buy for us. I'd prefer someone with better technique but there aren't many tall players who are good in the air AND have good technique. He's actually someone we should take a look at in the Summer.
 
Ringo 07 said:
Moyes has dropped the bar so low that at the start of the season it was generally accepted that if we finished outside the top 4 at the end of the season then he would have to go.....

The bar is so low now and that has turned into.....If Moyes can at least make the team look good in 1 match they play between now and the end of the season then maybe that is a sign that he should get more time

And often for Fergie and Champions League football it was never easy attracting the cream of Europe and often the fans were left disappointed when Fergie missed out on his top targets over the summers and instead decided to promote from within or take a punt on a cheaper option to see it they come good with time.......Can you imagine the chaos on this forum when Kroos signs for Madrid and Gundogan goes to Bayern leaving Moyes saying in that tortured face of his something ridiculous like 'Tom will be like a new signing and I expect much more this season from Tom Cleverley than last'
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I said it in another thread, the expectations will have been lowered to a mere top 4 finish next season and this club used to be about winning trophies. If Moyes spends £150m and manages to pip Arsenal or Liverpool to 4th at the end of next season it will somehow go down as a good result I feel.
 
a_devil_inside said:
Imagine Moyes did get sacked, only for our new manager to say he wants to get to know the squad after they return from the World Cup before even thinking of buying anyone
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Wouldn't matter, any manager worth his weight should have us top four anyway. But we'd definitely need some added talent to reclaim the title, which we're not doing next season anyway.
 
Sarni said:
Carroll could be a great buy for us. I'd prefer someone with better technique but there aren't many tall players who are good in the air AND have good technique. He's actually someone we should take a look at in the Summer.
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Could Crouch do a job for us now do you reckon?

He's got the height to reach some of Valencia and Young's crosses, and he's got a nice touch.
 
a_devil_inside said:
Imagine Moyes did get sacked, only for our new manager to say he wants to get to know the squad after they return from the World Cup before even thinking of buying anyone
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I'd be willing to chip in to buy him a Season Review DVD.
Maybe even last year's as well if he's the type who likes to talk a longterm perspective.
 
Sarni said:
Carroll could be a great buy for us. I'd prefer someone with better technique but there aren't many tall players who are good in the air AND have good technique. He's actually someone we should take a look at in the Summer.
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FineYoungCasual said:
Could Crouch do a job for us now do you reckon?

He's got the height to reach some of Valencia and Young's crosses, and he's got a nice touch.
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I'm dying a little more.
 
Cringeworthy cheerleading/ PR campaign by some of our ex-players tbf. So the players who led us to our 20th are suddenly crap overnight. And midtable Moyes should be kept just because he ensures "longetivity" and is "learning the job". Are you having a laugh Schmeichel ?
 
Sarni said:
Carroll could be a great buy for us. I'd prefer someone with better technique but there aren't many tall players who are good in the air AND have good technique. He's actually someone we should take a look at in the Summer.
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KiD MoYeS said:
Wouldn't matter, any manager worth his weight should have us top four anyway. But we'd definitely need some added talent to reclaim the title, which we're not doing next season anyway.
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I wouldn't say that definitively since the top 4 currently have been very good over different periods this season. However, I do think a manager that had the team playing with more belief and with more tactical nous that would make use of our better players might have got us at least challenging for top 4 at the very least if not the title.

Not being in top 4 isn't a disaster in by itself. The manner in we are not going to make it is the biggest problem with Moyes so far. There is nothing to suggest better players next season will see us challenging for top 4, let alone the title.
 
Short of going full galactico in a winner-take-all bet for a single season of glory, the best we can realistically hope for next season is third. There's just no way we can leap straight into our routine trophy haul mode next season, with or without a new manager. That's how much damage the incumbent regime has done.

The goal should be hiring a new manager who is tactically astute and is a competent man manager leading us into a respectable chase for third with Arsenal and Liverpool, both of which will likely be stronger next season than this season.

This summer is no time for sentimental values about Moyes being a good Scot or a loyal company man. If we're not back to a respectable trophy hunt mode next season we're in serious, serious trouble of fading away as spent force.
 
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"He will learn a lot about himself, and everyone will learn a lot about him...". Yeah, I think that's the problem, Pete.

Seriously though, he's just talking absolute, pure shite. And this angle is poor from the club.

Sending out the old-boys to deliver scripted, badly delivered nonsense that's more patronising than it is reassuring, and trying to get the fanbase to effectively turn on our own players.

"We want consistency" - No, we want inspiration, we want excitement, and we want to enjoy football.
"We want a manager that will stick around for a long, long time" - No, we want a manager who can lead us into the future in a progressive way.

"He needs to offload a lots of players - he's found out who he can trust and who he can't trust".

So it's fairly obvious he 'feels he can trust' -

Young
Valencia
Smalling at RB
Fellaini (since he signed him)
Playing a flat 442 with long ball tendencies

What does this tell us about him?

He's done nothing tactically since he got here. He's tried nothing to turn this season around. It's him who's let the club down more than it is the players, in my opinion at least.

The club are really pushing it with this nonsense and I'm starting to wonder if the much talked of 'clearout' should also stretch into the board and ambassadors room, because I for one am absolutely tired of being patronised by their utter nonsense.

We need fresh ideas injected into our club, a shot of life. All we've been getting since Fergie retired is disappointment after disappointment and endless PR blabberings from faces of the past.

Not good enough. Manchester United is like an old man who's fallen asleep.
 
Mauzindark said:
Cringeworthy cheerleading/ PR campaign by some of our ex-players tbf. So the players who led us to our 20th are suddenly crap overnight. And midtable Moyes should be kept just because he ensures "longetivity" and is "learning the job". Are you having a laugh Schmeichel ?
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He's one of the club ambassadors. What else do you expect? Notice how other club ambassadors have said similar with perhaps not as harsh a tone as Pete. They're not going to publicly doubt the manager.
 
Don't forget Jan Koller, he could still do a job. We'd need to get Bebe back as well though, we'd need expert height on those crosses.
 
Adebesi said:
I think I know what you meant. Some managers have a real talent for finding hidden gems for £5m that will prove to be stars at a club like Everton. But it is questionable how useful that is for us. Someone who has consistently spent well at the top end of the market would seem like a more applicable skill, and being good at one thing doesnt necessarily make you good at the other.
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Fergie has a knack for combining both skills. Buying big when necessary, but can still find the hidden gems for cheap. There's no way Moyes will be given the kind of transfer money that's been going rounds in the news. He'll have to find players like Vidic or Evra types, would-be-great players who are available for less than 10 million
 
Mauzindark said:
Cringeworthy cheerleading/ PR campaign by some of our ex-players tbf. So the players who led us to our 20th are suddenly crap overnight. And midtable Moyes should be kept just because he ensures "longetivity" and is "learning the job". Are you having a laugh Schmeichel ?
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I take it with a pinch of salt considering that its coming from a legend who first said that he's leaving the EPL because it was too tough for him and then he returned a few years later to play with City. He's got to justify the ambassador role salary somehow.
 
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Just to recap the stuff the club and its people have been feeding the media:

- The team is a bunch of goners.
- The scouting is crap.
- The academy is in shambles.

All leading to Fergie doing an absolute horrific job in the last few years, really losing it. Of course, part of it was also picking Moyes out as his successor. Why would that be any better than the rest of the work our former, disastrous, manager has been doing?
 
Amir said:
Just to recap the stuff the club and its people have been feeding the media:

- The team is a bunch of goners.
- The scouting is crap.
- The academy is in shambles.

All leading to Fergie doing an absolute horrific job in the last few years, really losing it. Of course, part of it was also picking Moyes out as his successor. Why would that be any better than the rest of the work our former, disastrous, manager has been doing?
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The club will be a victim of it's own success and arrogance
 
Amir said:
Just to recap the stuff the club and its people have been feeding the media:

- The team is a bunch of goners.
- The scouting is crap.
- The academy is in shambles.

All leading to Fergie doing an absolute horrific job in the last few years, really losing it. Of course, part of it was also picking Moyes out as his successor. Why would that be any better than the rest of the work our former, disastrous, manager has been doing?
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Well I think we can all agree that the scouting and academy can be improved on. Weren't a lot of people annoyed that the likes of Vidal went to other clubs on the cheap while Fergie ignored them?
 
Based on what can we say that? Just because we didn't pursue certain targets doesn't mean we didn't rate them. Fergie had some weird blind spot when it comes to the midfield. Also, while we obviously want to see the academy regularly produce top players, we all know that's impossible.

Doesn't mean of course those things can't be improved, but my point is that United's PR is basically saying Fergie has really taken his eye off the ball in the last few years. The problem is, Fergie has also picked Moyes. Why would that be better than other stuff he's been doing?
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Carroll? Crouch? Please tell me you guys aren't serious.
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We are popping 50 crosses a game, it'd be good to have someone who can get at the end of them if we aee to carry on playing that way (and we will).
 
.Rossi said:
The club will be a victim of it's own success and arrogance
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That is my biggest fear and nothing that has come out of the club so far suggests anything different. Every statement assumes that we'll be successful again soon, but what if we don't? How far are we going to let Moyes drag us down before we realize that we made a mistake with him. And this crap about Moyes needing to build his own team is extremely frustrating as well. No, everytime a new manager comes in he doesn't need to spend upwards of £150m to have his stamp on the team. I can actually picture spending a big amount in summer and continuing to play the same way next season and can hear the excuses as well. "The team requires time to gel" will be next year's "I'm still getting to know the players".
 
Bestie07 said:
And this crap about Moyes needing to build his own team is extremely frustrating as well. No, everytime a new manager comes in he doesn't need to spend upwards of £150m to have his stamp on the team. I can actually picture spending a big amount in summer and continuing to play the same way next season and can hear the excuses as well. "The team requires time to gel" will be next year's "I'm still getting to know the players".
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I'm saying it again, in many clubs in Europe - some of the biggest as well - who operate with the sporting director model, the coach has a very limited voice in structuring his squad. He simply has to work well with the players he is given. There's no 'I need to build my own team'. You simply don't. And just like with the 'manager is king' model, some succeed and some don't.

The idea a manager has to build his own team before he can be judged is silly and plain wrong. So does that mean this season is a complete write off when it comes to viewing how Moyes has been doing? What if he needs a couple more years to really build 'his team'? The team hasn't changed so much over the past year and it's not going to happen over one summer now.

His football won't keep him here for six years, but excuses just might.
 
Gladiator said:
He's one of the club ambassadors. What else do you expect? Notice how other club ambassadors have said similar with perhaps not as harsh a tone as Pete. They're not going to publicly doubt the manager.
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I know that they can't publicly undermine the manager but why slag the players for all our ills when they're already down ? If it was under Fergie, no matter what the hell anyone said you'd be sure Fergie would drill a siege mentality and make them perform even better. But under DM ? No. Just no. Our ex-players should stop being over-critical of the current lot. No good will come of it. And do they take us fans to be fools when most of us know exactly what the problem is - its the one who's escaping all the blame. If you ask a carpenter to build you a cupboard and it is not to size what do you do ?
1. Do you blame the wood used
2. Do you blame the tools used or
3. Do you blame the carpenter?
The answer to that is clear for most I guess.
 
Mauzindark said:
And do they take us fans to be fools when most of us know exactly what the problem is - its the one who's escaping all the blame. If you ask a carpenter to build you a cupboard and it is not to size what do you do ?
1. Do you blame the wood used
2. Do you blame the tools used or
3. Do you blame the carpenter?
The answer to that is clear for most I guess.
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Erm...is it...the wood!?
 
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