Moyes has to go

Moyes out?

  • Knee jerk/I object to the term knee jerk because I told you he was going to be rubbish in 2003

    Votes: 296 80.4%
  • Head in sand/My name is Baghdad Bob and everything is going to be OK

    Votes: 72 19.6%

  • Total voters
    368
  • Poll closed .
Last summer, the negatives against Mourinho seems to be he's leave after a few seasons and he's need a lot of money to spend.

Now we have Moyes who should be gone after a few months and his apologists saying the way to solve that is to spend more than Mourinho has ever done in a single transfer window.

Who has said that? Those figures have come out from the press. Hardly anyone has said that he needs 200m of investment before we can judge him.

Your posts keep making nonsense up to solidify your point and take sly digs at people who do not want to act hysterical. Everyone gets it, you want Moyes out. Loud and Clear.
 
Who has said that? Those figures have come out from the press. Hardly anyone has said that he needs 200m of investment before we can judge him.

Your posts keep making nonsense up to solidify your point and take sly digs at people who do not want to act hysterical. Everyone gets it, you want Moyes out. Loud and Clear.

80.4% of the CAF want him out.
 
Who has said that? Those figures have come out from the press. Hardly anyone has said that he needs 200m of investment before we can judge him.

Your posts keep making nonsense up to solidify your point and take sly digs at people who do not want to act hysterical. Everyone gets it, you want Moyes out. Loud and Clear.
Considering he's spent £70 million all ready, and the team still needs 2CM, RB, CD, LB, possibly another winger and forward, then I'd say it's going to be close to the £200 m mark.
 
Who has said that? Those figures have come out from the press. Hardly anyone has said that he needs 200m of investment before we can judge him.

Your posts keep making nonsense up to solidify your point and take sly digs at people who do not want to act hysterical. Everyone gets it, you want Moyes out. Loud and Clear.
The Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime camp has written off most of our players and insists he should be allowed to replace them all... How much do you expect that'd cost?

Let's just stay with a LB, CB, 2 CMs, a winger.
 
The Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime camp has written off most of our players and insists he should be allowed to replace them all... How much do you expect that'd cost?

Let's just stay with a LB, CB, 2 CMs, a winger.

You don't think we need those players? Would you be happy if we get a new manager and keep the same squad?

It's shocking that majority of this forum was chastising our style of play and the presence of the same usual suspects even when Sir Alex was in charge. I used to read only moaning even in a season where we walked the league. Evra, Evans, Ferdinand, Cleverley, Valencia, Young, Nani, Rooney etc. were heavily criticized by a lot of posters at one time or the other. Now the same posters have done a complete U-turn. Now we are a championship winning squad according to the same people, who earlier damned these players no hold barred.

My point was that there are enough reasons to criticize Moyes. Yes there is tendency to fabricate new ones to berate him.
 
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I can see the reason why the club regard the manager to certain level of moral value. But I can't understand fans/supporters who still want to give Moyes time, just because United should 'set the precedence to the football world'. But don't mind the club to spunk hundreds of millions to 'fix' the issues :D. The ironing is too strong.

Except thats not the only reason why people want to give Moyes a chance is it.

My opinion - you cant give a man a long contract, and give him a big job to do in moving players on and replacing them, as well as trying to deal with the pressure of succeeding the greatest manager of all time - then sack him after less than a year, the summer before you actually give him what he (or any manager in this position) needs - significant resources to improve his squad.

Talking of "irony" a lot of people on here didn't want Mourinho last summer. A lot have no doubt also laughed at other top clubs sacking managers after 5 minuites. Now a lot are desperate to sack Moyes because they are desperate to believe that a new manager comes in and normal service is resumed.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion - and I can understand why a lot of people want him to be sacked. I dont get the "holier than thou" attitude from a number of people on here who think they know better than other posters simply because they disagree. Seems if you dont want the club to hit the panic button you dont know what you're talking aboit in the eyes of some.

Moyes wasnt my choice but I'm pretty pragmatic. He may prove to be out of his depth, but if Fergie thinks he deserves a chance then that's ok by me. he's had a lot to deal with this year and was never going to be the finished article. If he improves the squad and doesn't achieve then calling for his head is fair. I personally think that's a better situation than making knee jerk decisions and entering the usual merry go round of changing managers every three years and the consequent upheaval that brings.
 
The Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime camp has written off most of our players and insists he should be allowed to replace them all... How much do you expect that'd cost?

Let's just stay with a LB, CB, 2 CMs, a winger.
Posters having different opinions are Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime?

Take a few days out.
 
I still think we should give him a bit longer. It's not like he inherited a team which was strong in every position. There have been quite a few occasions over the last few seasons when we put in terrible performances - that's not something which has just happened
 
I still think we should give him a bit longer. It's not like he inherited a team which was strong in every position. There have been quite a few occasions over the last few seasons when we put in terrible performances - that's not something which has just happened

Indeed. Some seem to be looking back on the past with rose tinted glasses.

The season before last we lost the title pretty much because we lacked goals. RVP solved that issue last year but papered over a lot of cracks. The football wasn't often great, albeit we found a way to win games.

It seems to me that Moyes is suffering primarily from the fact that he doesnt have a track record. I think poor performance under another, more experienced (and more fashionable) manager and people panic less because they're confident they need to time to get it right.
 
Posters having different opinions are Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime?

Take a few days out.

Some rival fans are championing a 'Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime' campaign. It stands for Moyes Ought Not (to) Go. He is using that.
 
Indeed. Some seem to be looking back on the past with rose tinted glasses.

The season before last we lost the title pretty much because we lacked goals. RVP solved that issue last year but papered over a lot of cracks. The football wasn't often great, albeit we found a way to win games.
I'm sure we never would have won the league without RVP, no doubt about that. My son and I watched one of my old DVDs yesterday of the 94 team , as he was only 2 or 3 then and even though his first word was Goal when Keano scored the winner against City , he doesn't remember the football . Once he'd seen Giggsy and Kanchelskis in action, he did admit he could see why I kept saying Young etc weren't United class . Moyes didn't buy them , he's stuck with them !!
 
I can see the reason why the club regard the manager to certain level of moral value. But I can't understand fans/supporters who still want to give Moyes time, just because United should 'set the precedence to the football world'. But don't mind the club to spunk hundreds of millions to 'fix' the issues :D. The ironing is too strong.
I find it interesting that said spending spree automatically means we'll be playing better come next season. Even if we did improve the squad with quality, you still have to get them to play together. That's what worries me about trusting Moyes with that money. Hasn't shown enough imo to warrant receiving that kind of backing. I'm curious about the success rate of other clubs after undergoing a spending spree. Context always helps of course.
 
I still think we should give him a bit longer. It's not like he inherited a team which was strong in every position. There have been quite a few occasions over the last few seasons when we put in terrible performances - that's not something which has just happened
Indeed. Some seem to be looking back on the past with rose tinted glasses.

The season before last we lost the title pretty much because we lacked goals. RVP solved that issue last year but papered over a lot of cracks. The football wasn't often great, albeit we found a way to win games.
And what exactly has he done to be given more time? It's a question that's gone unanswered on here time and time again. This season has been a disaster, no one would have imagined it being this bad.
I've been looking hard for any glimmer of hope, I don't want to see Moyes sacked, he seems like a nice fella and he's obviously trying very hard to succeed here, however he seems so out of his depth I'm starting to feel sorry for him, he's manager of a Manchester United and I'm feeling sorry for him. :eek:
It would be best for both parties if he quit, never going to happen though.
 
On a slightly different tangent. Anyone see that short interview with Sir Alex at the Oscars. He is just loving his retirement...never seen him so happy and healthy. There would be no fecking way he'd get back into that dug-out that is for sure, even if we were in the relegation zone :)
 
Most United fans want Moyes out. But as Loyal fans, we should hold our opinion on what is going on in this club; some say it is the players' fault and some say it is Moyes's fault. We as fans should give Moyes time.


I want Moyes out, sure, but that does not mean I want him out now. Why? Because as a fan, I need to give time to Moyes and respect Fergie's decision as he knows more than anyone on what is best for this club. Like I said, everyone has their opinions on Moyes but this is not a discussion about Moyes.

We as fans should be giving Moyes time because in a year's time when Moyes buys the players he wants, he will make his team. Then, we should judge Moyes because there is no excuse from him. Why? fans now are saying the players are the problem, if we buy new players and it still is not going well then Moyes is the limiting factor here.


So let us as fans give him a chance at least, yes, criticise him and the players because we as fans have opinions and we should express them-but don't call for the manager's head this early. I don't like Moyes, but my opinion is not fixed, it could change and I want to give Moyes that opportunity because our club's history and culture indicates so.

Just be patient, give him a year and let him buy his squad and then judge the situation.
This is such a preachy post.

I get your opinion, which is fair enough, but let people who are don't rate the fellow have the right not to rate the fellow. Nothing worse than a person holding an opinion based on "how a loyal fan should be". I respect someone who have the convictions to have his own individual opinion a lot more. I got inspired too when I heard Fergie say that "your job is to stand by your man". And I too said a year minimum. But patience and faith is always linked to "something", it always has some basis. If that's trust in SAF's choice, thats fine too. For me I value what I see with my eyes more even if I have little knowledge.

My personal take is that we should get rid, whether now or at the end of the season. But I'll always support my team when they play and in general. If he's going to be here next season I'm sure I'll try and be as optimistic as possible and open minded as I can. But my opinion will based on merit, as I see it.
 
Indeed. Some seem to be looking back on the past with rose tinted glasses.

The season before last we lost the title pretty much because we lacked goals. RVP solved that issue last year but papered over a lot of cracks. The football wasn't often great, albeit we found a way to win games.

It seems to me that Moyes is suffering primarily from the fact that he doesnt have a track record. I think poor performance under another, more experienced (and more fashionable) manager and people panic less because they're confident they need to time to get it right.
Just the nature of the beast. When we finished trophyless a couple seasons ago under Fergie, were any of us really panicking like we are now? That security blanket was there and Fergie always had us up there in Prem era. No lower than a top 3 finish.

Now the rug's been pulled from under our feet and we've landed flat on our faces. So even though the football wasn't great last season, the results were enough to handwave away the criticisms. We won the prem, everybody's happy.

Now fans are just hoping we dont further embarrass ourselves out there. When you dont get results, questions start being asked. The finger pointing begins. Confidence drops and ultimately something has to give. I dont see why that has to be the players because for me, most of them have proven themselves worthy of being at this club.
 
I'm sure we never would have won the league without RVP, no doubt about that. My son and I watched one of my old DVDs yesterday of the 94 team , as he was only 2 or 3 then and even though his first word was Goal when Keano scored the winner against City , he doesn't remember the football . Once he'd seen Giggsy and Kanchelskis in action, he did admit he could see why I kept saying Young etc weren't United class . Moyes didn't buy them , he's stuck with them !!
What's the point of bringing this up though? I could say I'm sure we would have found a way to win the league without RVP because of Fergie. Truth is we really don't know. just speculations.
 
Still wrong, mate.

I don't disagree.

Maybe a pro Moyes slogan could be:

'MIT Vorsprung durch Technik'

It stands for Moyes In Time - Advancement through Technology

Moyes's revolution will feature heavily with iPads and Germans. And as Sir Alex says - all he needs is time.
 
What's the point of bringing this up though? I could say I'm sure we would have found a way to win the league without RVP because of Fergie. Truth is we really don't know. just speculations.
I'm just trying to say that Moyes didn't exactly inherit a great team, in fact some of those players I seriously question , and he's had some terrible luck , injuries , deflected goals . They all add up . I agree however that its seriously depressing , last week was just dreadful. We've been in worse positions though , I still remember going to see them play Sunderland in the old Second Division. I don't know about the Roker Roar but I've never been so cold
 
Still wrong, mate.
It started as a joke from B20. Similar to Keep Rafa At Pool - KRAP. Not to be taken seriously and hopefully no-one thinks that wanting to keep Moyes is equal to being a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
 
Ive lost hope for this season but I do think he should have until Christmas to stabilize this. Give him a full Summer transfer window with the knowledge of what needs to done.
 
It started as a joke from B20. Similar to Keep Rafa At Pool - KRAP. Not to be taken seriously and hopefully no-one thinks that wanting to keep Moyes is equal to being a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
That term has to stop, whatever the context. We are being closely monitored by Google.
 
I'm just trying to say that Moyes didn't exactly inherit a great team, in fact some of those players I seriously question , and he's had some terrible luck , injuries , deflected goals . They all add up . I agree however that its seriously depressing , last week was just dreadful. We've been in worse positions though , I still remember going to see them play Sunderland in the old Second Division. I don't know about the Roker Roar but I've never been so cold
a great team? perhaps not but I think depending on the way you look at it, we either have a very good squad with some gaping holes and brimming with potential or one in serious need of an overhaul. It's easy to say overhaul when all the players are underperforming. That's the bit which is weird to me. "yes get rid because they're playing like shit" when a new manager could restore their performance levels to a higher place than it is now. What do we say then? Still in need of an overhaul?

Despite the "terrible luck,injuries, deflected goals" Moyes still has to answer for the bizarre team selections and tactics he's chosen to employ on this team. You can dress it up whatever you want and make it fit the narrative you feel comfortable with. At the end of the day, it's a collective meltdown and if we arent careful I fear we'll find ourselves in a rut which will take some time to get out of. You dont always have to wait for a manager to get his own players before deciding if he's good enough. You arent always afforded that luxury as a manager.

Cant imagine what second division football was like.
 
a great team? perhaps not but I think depending on the way you look at it, we either have a very good squad with some gaping holes and brimming with potential or one in serious need of an overhaul. It's easy to say overhaul when all the players are underperforming. That's the bit which is weird to me. "yes get rid because they're playing like shit" when a new manager could restore their performance levels to a higher place than it is now. What do we say then? Still in need of an overhaul?

Despite the "terrible luck,injuries, deflected goals" Moyes still has to answer for the bizarre team selections and tactics he's chosen to employ on this team. You can dress it up whatever you want and make it fit the narrative you feel comfortable with. At the end of the day, it's a collective meltdown and if we arent careful I fear we'll find ourselves in a rut which will take some time to get out of. You dont always have to wait for a manager to get his own players before deciding if he's good enough. You arent always afforded that luxury as a manager.

Cant imagine what second division football was like.
You must admit that we do have some players who aren't United class though? I agree his tactics are a little baffling at times , for instance , what does he have against Shinji?
( second division football was not nice at all ,)
 
Without being sarcastic, is there much you can say? The obvious I can understand, but a word like Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime it really takes a stance over?
What's the big loss not using such words?
 
I dont know why people keep making excuses about the squad being weak. Yes, it is not the best squad in the league but this is still the same squad that won the league last year PLUS Mata and therefore you have to look at Moyes' man-management and tactics. I mean fair enough the top 4 (current) have improved but surely our squad is good enough to steamroll the likes of Fulham and Olympiakos?
 
@Jaybezia

In the UK the term is a derogatory slang word for Downs Syndrome. It can also be used as an abbreviation for 'Mongoloid' which describes certain ethnic features common in Asia.

So you have race and disability.
 
I dont know why people keep making excuses about the squad being weak. Yes, it is not the best squad in the league but this is still the same squad that won the league last year PLUS Mata and therefore you have to look at Moyes' man-management and tactics. I mean fair enough the top 4 (current) have improved but surely our squad is good enough to steamroll the likes of Fulham and Olympiakos?

yes it should be. I don't think it's a weak squad overall, but there are certainly weak positions. Wingers, midfield and defense at the moment!!
 
UWS is more patient. 56% want him out now, 27% say they'll decide at end of season. Rest say give him time.
It is essentially 83% then. It is hard to imagine that things will become better at the end of the season which will make the undecided group to vote to keep Moyes.
 
When we get our next manager, anyone can start a thread demanding that manager be got rid of and they will end up with a successful prophecy simply because the days of Utd having a manager for more than 5 years at a time are well and truely over.
 
@Jaybezia

In the UK the term is a derogatory slang word for Downs Syndrome. It can also be used as an abbreviation for 'Mongoloid' which describes certain ethnic features common in Asia.

So you have race and disability.

In which case, I stand corrected, I never knew that.. I've always viewed at harmless, a bit like "silly" for example...

Live and learn..
 
There isn't mate, I'm not complaining, I just wondered whether Google was that stringent or
@Jaybezia

In the UK the term is a derogatory slang word for Downs Syndrome. It can also be used as an abbreviation for 'Mongoloid' which describes certain ethnic features common in Asia.

So you have race and disability.

whether we wanted to make sure incase..

Cheers, JHC.
 
When we get our next manager, anyone can start a thread demanding that manager be got rid of and they will end up with a successful prophecy simply because the days of Utd having a manager for more than 5 years at a time are well and truely over.
5 years for a manager in modern football is great and rarely happens. I also guess that people make these kind of threads (and actually get these much responses) only in cases when the manager is doing bad/terrible. So, if the new manager is a significant improvement on Moyes (as hard as our new expensive winger being a significant improvement on Young/Valencia) I guess people wouldn't open this kind of threads and/or it won't get much responses ar they will be 'shut down the thread'. When the majority of United supporters want him out, and all rival supporters want him here as long as possible, I think is the time for all people to reflect on how things are going.
 
It is essentially 83% then. It is hard to imagine that things will become better at the end of the season which will make the undecided group to vote to keep Moyes.
Yeah true. The poll results have been very different since the start of January where the majority said to give him time. I suspect after we've played Liverpool/City, his position will become untenable unless we somehow beat them.