Hopefully other people on the board won't let the terrible situation we're in spiral out of control.
Moyes has to go
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When questioned about Moyes he can't reasonably say anything else other than support him in public. It's a non-story really.
Hopefully fergie doesn't make the call with regards to Moyes' future.
This.
I think it's a combination of things. yeah...what Fergie wanted us to do, and also the fact that we are very unused to a manager not doing so well. It's very new for us, whereas other major clubs are very used to it....and then they get sacked! But also because a lot of us are desperate for Moyes to actually turn it around. Since getting rid of him kind of starts things all over again. I would love it if he became the successful manager that Ferguson and perhaps Sir bobby believes he can be.
Desperately hope this.
Ferguson is seeming increasingly out of touch with the appointment of Moyes and the subsequent (and all too predictable) outcome.
He's starting to almost have the feel of a mad dictator when talking about Moyes. He just seems completely out of touch with the reality of the situation.
The club simply must go over him and correct the situation.
Well said. You need to calm down and listen to the great man.
Good decision.
Double agent Fergie finally crosses over after 25 years?
Most United fans want Moyes out. But as Loyal fans, we should hold our opinion on what is going on in this club; some say it is the players' fault and some say it is Moyes's fault. We as fans should give Moyes time.
I want Moyes out, sure, but that does not mean I want him out now. Why? Because as a fan, I need to give time to Moyes and respect Fergie's decision as he knows more than anyone on what is best for this club. Like I said, everyone has their opinions on Moyes but this is not a discussion about Moyes.
I don't this club to be like Chelsea, Real Madrid, Man city etc. where managers just come and go. Our history and culture does no support such behaviour, we should set a precedent to every club in the world and show other clubs that sticking by a manager in the lows is a good thing. If we sack Moyes, then other managers like Klopp wouldn't want to come here because we sack managers when things don't go right. Why do you think Klopp didn't go to Chelsea, Man city and Real Madrid? What is the commen denominator in those clubs? You guessed it right. No stability.
We as fans should be giving Moyes time because in a year's time when Moyes buys the players he wants, he will make his team. Then, we should judge Moyes because there is no excuse from him. Why? fans now are saying the players are the problem, if we buy new players and it still is not going well then Moyes is the limiting factor here.
So let us as fans give him a chance at least, yes, criticise him and the players because we as fans have opinions and we should express them-but don't call for the manager's head this early. I don't like Moyes, but my opinion is not fixed, it could change and I want to give Moyes that opportunity because our club's history and culture indicates so.
Some say "what if next year Moyes has spent and is still doing badly", well cut the cord. Some may say "well we then have to build our squad again when he goes in a year", well he would of bought world class players with the money, right? So a new manager would come in should adapt quickly and give us success instantly with players we would get.
Just be patient, give him a year and let him buy his squad and then judge the situation. It could end badly, but it could end really good and everyone will respect the club and it's fans even more. Some say our fans are glory hunters and can't handle a bad spell, well let us show them that we are better than that.
I want Moyes out, sure, but that does not mean I want him out now. Why? Because as a fan, I need to give time to Moyes and respect Fergie's decision as he knows more than anyone on what is best for this club. Like I said, everyone has their opinions on Moyes but this is not a discussion about Moyes.
I don't this club to be like Chelsea, Real Madrid, Man city etc. where managers just come and go. Our history and culture does no support such behaviour, we should set a precedent to every club in the world and show other clubs that sticking by a manager in the lows is a good thing. If we sack Moyes, then other managers like Klopp wouldn't want to come here because we sack managers when things don't go right. Why do you think Klopp didn't go to Chelsea, Man city and Real Madrid? What is the commen denominator in those clubs? You guessed it right. No stability.
We as fans should be giving Moyes time because in a year's time when Moyes buys the players he wants, he will make his team. Then, we should judge Moyes because there is no excuse from him. Why? fans now are saying the players are the problem, if we buy new players and it still is not going well then Moyes is the limiting factor here.
So let us as fans give him a chance at least, yes, criticise him and the players because we as fans have opinions and we should express them-but don't call for the manager's head this early. I don't like Moyes, but my opinion is not fixed, it could change and I want to give Moyes that opportunity because our club's history and culture indicates so.
Some say "what if next year Moyes has spent and is still doing badly", well cut the cord. Some may say "well we then have to build our squad again when he goes in a year", well he would of bought world class players with the money, right? So a new manager would come in should adapt quickly and give us success instantly with players we would get.
Just be patient, give him a year and let him buy his squad and then judge the situation. It could end badly, but it could end really good and everyone will respect the club and it's fans even more. Some say our fans are glory hunters and can't handle a bad spell, well let us show them that we are better than that.
Oh God we're at that point where opposition fans want us to keep our manager more than the majority of our own fans do. That's so indicative of a truly failing manager.
We've gone from champions at a stroll to a 7th place laughing stock in the space of a season.
Please, please just get rid of him, whatever it takes.
Knock it off. Us United fans would never be this childish.
I've lost count of how many times I was told on here that Roy was a good manager, the right appointment for a club of our stature anyway and that he should be given more time and allowed to sign his own men before he can be judged.
I wasn't being entirely serious.
What did people expect Fergie to say - "yeah sorry about that guys, turns out Moyes is a bit of a limp fish at the big stage, kinda fecked that up didnt I LOLz"
Lose against Liverpool, get knocked out of the Champions League by Olympiakos and lose against City. If that happens in the next month, Moyes is gone, in my opinion.
Fergie's backing or not, Moyes won't survive the pressure those results would bring.
Do you want him out or not, make up your mind? If you don't want him out now, then likely you expect him to get better, in which case why you would want him out later?
Nope. Other clubs won't care that much if we make a precedent by sticking with a mediocre manager. Real Madrid won't suddenly hire Emeri and keep him until they are well stabilized as a midtable club just because we did the same with Moyes. And no, this isn't like what Chelsea/Madrid/City do. They have sacked managers after winning the league (Del Bosque, Capello), after winning UCL (Di Matteo) or after finishing second when they won the title on the previous year (Schuster, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Mancini). In fact, even poor choice managers who deservedly got the sack like Queiroz finished on UCL zone. This is a bit like the sack of Scolari/AVB although both of them had better spells than Moyes.
And no, actually I didn't guessed your answer. Klopp didn't left BVB because he loves that club and wants to make a dynasty there. He won't leave even if we go for him.
You are assuming that we will sing world class players. Some are assuming that we will sign a few other Fellainis. No-one is sure who is right. It is pretty sure though that players like Kroos or Vidal will laugh with the suggestion of leaving their clubs/managers to come play for United/Moyes. Even if they leave, bigger fish who offer more money and UCL will go for them.
Yes, people think that a new (very good/great) manager will instantly improve significantly the team
What if things doesn't improve, Moyes sells Kagawa, Chicharito, Nani and possibly RVP and Rafael (added to the retirement of Giggs and Rio while VIdic and Evra leave)? And the new players aren't that great. The budget being spend, players are either demoralized or shit (Cleverley, Young, Valencia) while the actual quality has left? Give 200m and a few years for the new manager? Repeat the cycle until we get it right?
Time, time, fecking time. I'm sick of it. He's had 40 odd games, we look like a team of strangers and he's clearly lost the dressing room. It's an irreversible situation. Stringing this out is pointless, it hasn't worked. Let's cut our losses. We are bigger than David fecking Moyes and shouldn't be pandering to his ineptitude to carry out the job at hand.
Moyes on trip to Dubai: "It was great. Weather was great. It was the first chance I've had to really get to know the players"
Btw, I'm not making that up or trying to be funny.
Jesus, that's bad.
You gotta be kidding me.... Is that accurate? What was he doing in the Pre season ffs...
Bending over for Rooney?
EDIT:
Sorry it was "It was great we had some time together. First time I've had a chance to have a few days with the lads"
See 0:24 seconds in
It's quotes like this which aren't helping Moyes' cause really.
Yeah sorry....I got it wrong. Was along the same lines though. I posted the video above
I thought Rooney wanted to leave but Moyes stood his ground and wouldn't let him go...?
I was making a bad joke.. I've the opinion that while we need Rooney, and I don't want him to go, Moyes has managed him in a way that a few players are jealous of his position. The whole process for his wage and stature increase had to start back in the summer, when Moyes convinced him to stay..
Whoever offered him the club ambassador role needs to have a serious look at themselves
Fair enough.
I can understand your point regarding Rooney's treatment. However, if I was a player I think I'd personally be more miffed at the preferential treatment Valencia and Young have received.
Not many players at the club (if any) can seriously look at themselves and believe they're better than Rooney, those two though...crikey.
It's not that he's better than them, its that he's gotten a lucrative contract and am ambassadors role. Players I imagine would be a little miffed at that.
Quite possibly, but what I meant was that Rooney's treatment doesn't really effect them - I.E he'd be starting anyway and if he gets paid more it actually strengthens their own chances of getting better wages.
Whereas the treatment Val and Young have received from Moyes has actively meant that other players haven't been played - better players.
That hurt my brain.
I'm just amazed someone can still have that amount of positivity.
Very good, I almost fell for it. The 'setting a precedent for any other club in the world' crap gave it away
Shit, nearly go you there.Very good, I almost fell for it. The 'setting a precedent for any other club in the world' crap gave it away
But seriously, for the next 200 years when a manager is doing badly their owner will say leave him there for another 3 years (if Moyes actually does good). This can be the benefit for us, especially if the that same manager is in a top club and fails.
But that point is my guilty pleasure, and has no bearing on the argument I made.
I disagree with a lot of your post, but I just want to ask you two questions about the bolded part (which is the most important reason why 19% of United fans still want to keep Moyes).
1- How do we know that's actually a good thing? What if changing your manager after screwing your team for a full year is actually the correct decision?
2- Why do we have to do that? Is it a moral principle we're trying to promote? Are we trying to be "more than a club"?
Look at the post above you.
Also, Moyes is not shit enough to 'screw' the whole team. If he does not succeed, the players we would have brought of been world class or close to it as everyone would analyse every signing he makes. If the team still does not perform, the new manager will adapt quickly as he will have an already great team.