If he really has lost the dressing room, there will be leaks to the press about player unhappiness over the next few weeks. The players will make it known if they want to, and they will.
Moyes has to go
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Thanks.
I always thought RVP's statement after the Olympiacos game a dig at Moyes not the players. Because he didn't complain about them not passing the ball to him, he was complaining about the positions at which they were playing, and that's the coach's job.
If the players are thinking Moyes isn't good enough then i trust the players (Most of the players are winners and 60% of the players at Old Trafford since at least 5 years......they know the club better than Moyes)
This goes from bad to worse.
Blind faith doesn't make you better, it makes you more naive.
I think you should give him 10 years. When opposition supporters are clamouring for him to stay, you know he's doing something wrong.
I do the exact same thing every morning. Check guardian right away hoping he was sacked.
Just be honest, if you have to bet your house on Moyes becomes Top manager next year, or be a failure. Which would you choose, and why?
A couple of my students said they heard reports over here that Klopp was being lined up. They hate Moyes with a passion over here.
Like he didn't lose his house already to Paddy Power when Fellaini failed to win this season's Ballon D'or...
Speakin' of gambling, odds on Moyes getting sacked -
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post
Honigstein is reliable ? 
No offense, but that's really stupid.
Seriously, if you find that "embarrassing" then you haven't lived much
Honigstein is alright but he loves sticking the boot into all things England. Hodgson, the Premier League, English clubs in Europe etc.
You'd think if a giant of the game like Brian Clough could lose a dressing room, David Moyes definitely could. It's probably down to his competence rather than him as a person. It's his competence that is the important thing.
Rvp seems to think so..
It was so embarrassing, I couldn't even bring myself to rub it in with all the posters who argued that of course you weren't signing Fellaini after the deadline of his release clause as that would be stupid beyond belief, you were chasing bigger fish, etc.
And then you signed Fellaini, like I had been saying all along, in fullblown charicature style.
I actually think the opposite. I think this is exactly the type of situation where fergusson would dig his heels in and argue that player power must never be allowed to compromise a manager like that.
I don't even.... what?
I fear the same. Instead of the focus being on Moyo's shortcomings it'll be on curbing player power and trumpeting of how "no-one can be bigger than Man United". That'll just be like a golden cherry on the turd sandwich Moyo's been creating so far.
To be fair, it shouldn't matter. 'Completely losing the dressing room' isn't something that should happen and even if Moyes is an angel and a great tactician (and he isn't neither, in fact his interviews have been by far the worst in EPL this year, blaming everything including players which makes the comment 'he is a nice person' here very stupid) should go because no club has the money to replace 20 players.
Exceopt Sir Alex, of course.
What? You mean there have been other things that have not gone well since Moyes took over?
Name ONE!
playing devils advocate and I've been a critic of Moyes but it is easy for players to blame the manager for everything
it wasn't Moyes fault that Smalling couldn't stay on his feet, Rio played like a lame giraffe and Cleverley couldn't pass water - players have underperformed all season and we've never seen Valencia, Young play so badly or Rafael regress to a nervous player - this is down to the players as well as Moyes shite team selections/tactics
if it is the case that he has lost the dressing room then there is only one way this can go - sack Moyes
it wasn't Moyes fault that Smalling couldn't stay on his feet, Rio played like a lame giraffe and Cleverley couldn't pass water - players have underperformed all season and we've never seen Valencia, Young play so badly or Rafael regress to a nervous player - this is down to the players as well as Moyes shite team selections/tactics
if it is the case that he has lost the dressing room then there is only one way this can go - sack Moyes
While that's correct, he might actually see it as a negative on Moyes' part. If he's lost the dressing room, we're not going to get rid of 25 players to keep Moyes' "control" at the club.
Fergie's said it a million times, as soon as you lose that element of control, you've had it.
Well pack your bags Moyes, you've had it.
On a side note, I'd be interested to see if the Glazers have their own neutral Football Man they can consult away from the bias of the club and people like Fergie who surely have some sort of agenda with Moyes ("stick with him he'll prove me right").
The Damned United II.
Some bookies have him 6/4 joint favourite with Mel. Surely this parting of way is close if the bookies are doing this. I reckon it'll be after Olympiakos KO us. The season would then be all over and a good time to start planning for next season. They can't sack him yet as technically we still have a chance of the CL.
I love this argument. Yes it is. When players as a group stop being comfortable in possession that's a training issue.
What might do for him in the summer is if players won't sign for us because of him, not no CL but him. However that will leave us signing players not good enough to get us back in the CL or with a new good manager with no time to sign anyone and a team that has been ripped to pieces through retirements and troublemakers sold. Just to cheer everyone up. You all seem so down.
If a few players are playing badly, there's a problem with those players. If just about everyone does, you've got to look at the man in charge. How many of our players are having a better season than last season? Almost no one. Quite a few have regressed, and if I had any hope Moyes could help Valencia recover, Cleverley improve or get something better out of Young, well, it hasn't happened.
Although his DT column is basically saying that there are many things causing the perfect storm swirling around Moyes and he needs time, Michael Owen says something interesting: "There is no doubt the training and approach will be different. For a start, SAF delegated it to Rene. Everything we did was with the ball, promoting quick, incisive passing movements and pressing the opponent to get it back. SAF had his playing style, 442 with two wingers and a high tempo attacking game. We did not do much tactical work." Judging by the teams performance, none of that is being done now and didn't one of the players say that training is mostly without the ball now?
Tim Howard has said that Roberto Martinez's approach is to focus on weaknesses of the opposition, regardless of who they are and that training in the days building up to a match are on how Everton are going to play. Rather than this is how they are going to hurt us, then focusing on how to counter act it. In turn creating a worry of what is looming in the next match.
Reminds me of when Moyes said "We will make it as hard for Newcastle as we can".
Honigstein is reliable ?
No. He has good contacts to the biggest German press company ("Springer") and is fed infos from there, but overall the guy is around 90% of the time fishing in the dark. I don´t know a single halfway informed German football fan who really takes this pundit seriously and he is suppossed to be a Bundesliga "expert".
What summed it up for me was when Moyes was Everton manager and said you'd be lucky to get anything going to OT. While that's a realistic view, when that attitude pervades to your players, then I think it spells trouble. From a player's perspective, you like it when the manager is a bit more hopeful even if the odds are against ya.
Re training the only element we can see is in the warm up and it seems pretty much the same as under SAF - quick one/two touch games of squares etc.
Exactly.