Moyes has to go

Moyes out?

  • Knee jerk/I object to the term knee jerk because I told you he was going to be rubbish in 2003

    Votes: 296 80.4%

  • Head in sand/My name is Baghdad Bob and everything is going to be OK

    Votes: 72 19.6%
  • Total voters
    368
  • Poll closed .
Alock1 said:
I'm incredibly surprised at the Old Trafford crowd. I was at the Stoke game when Nani got booed for a poor performance (where he managed an assist). If they're going to boo that..?

Whatever Ferguson said, I would expect a good number (at least by now) to have started to ignore that and made their feelings clear. It's crazy to me that we haven't heard more scattered booing atleast.

Perhaps we'd be doing Ferguson a favour by booing him. We could then sack him and say that it had become untenable without the support of the fans/players - and Ferguson would have us to blame forever rather than admitting he fecked up.
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Myself and a friend were discussing that earlier, I'm confused at how the crowd, especially the away crowd haven't started booing.
 
Crackers said:
Myself and a friend were discussing that earlier, I'm confused at how the crowd, especially the away crowd haven't started booing.
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The away crowd doesn't surprise me.

Of course it's about supporting your team, but a fair few who go to them self-proclaim to be better fans for it. Plus, sometimes you get the impression from some that they care as much about 'winning' the singing contest than the football.

Fair play to them though, they're great and I'm not criticizing them for it. But it definitely doesn't surprise me they aren't booing, it would dent their top fan reputations.
 
bosnian_red said:
Yeah, only reason there has been no booing (or sacking from the owners) is because we don't want to seem like Chelsea/Arsenal or anyone else, and because of what Fergie said. Nothing to do with Moyes or people believing in him. I'm sure if there was an anonymous poll and people put their true feelings on the matter, the vast majority of match goers would be relieved, even happy if he got sacked tomorrow.
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What utter bollocks. Just because you don't like Moyes what makes you think you understand the motivations or beliefs of everyone else?
 
datura said:
What utter bollocks. Just because you don't like Moyes what makes you think you understand the motivations or beliefs of everyone else?
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To be fair I think there's a point there in that because of the time United gave Fergie and because of the backing Fergie gave Moyes, a lot of fans want to be more patient than those at another club perhaps would be. It was maybe just worded wrong with the assumption that all fans are like that when there will be plenty who go to games that do genuinely want to see him given time.
 
golden_blunder said:
It's hardly as bad as he makes it out. Perhaps he needs to get out more
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It was bad, and a pretty embarrassing transfer window for us..

First Fabregas and Thiago (whom we were never going to get, but still wasted 90% of the window pursuing them), then that laughable joint bid for Fellaini and Baines, then trying to do all our business in the last 4 hours of the window (which led to the Contraeo deal falling through in the last seconds, literally), then that whole Herrera fiasco (with the three mysterious lawyers who we still don't know whom they belong to), and then buying Fellaini for a price higher than his buy-out clause that expired a few weeks before that, and even higher than the joint big we made for him and Baines earlier... And all that after we announced to everybody that it's gonna a big Summer with big names coming! Have we forgot this quickly?

No, let's admit it. It was a pretty embarrassing 2 months for us, and if we now think it was not really "that bad" then that says more about the situation we're in now.

However, the only defence I can muster for Moyes in that transfer window is how much blame he should take for that, and if Ed Woodward was the main man to blame for the whole thing.
 
datura said:
What utter bollocks. Just because you don't like Moyes what makes you think you understand the motivations or beliefs of everyone else?
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Cheesy said:
To be fair I think there's a point there in that because of the time United gave Fergie and because of the backing Fergie gave Moyes, a lot of fans want to be more patient than those at another club perhaps would be. It was maybe just worded wrong with the assumption that all fans are like that when there will be plenty who go to games that do genuinely want to see him given time.
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Yeah, what Cheesy said. Obviously there are some who genuinely support him, but if Fergie never said anything about giving Moyes time or whatever, and giving them time was the norm, then he'd either already be sacked, or there would be booing. Just my opinion, but I feel like a lot of it is down to just being different, and a unique club and keeping that image rather then supporting Moyes. Even on here I feel like plenty are still holding back and don't want to fall into the category of fans who want to get rid of the manager, so they don't want to say anything against him but deep down they would be happy if he left.
 
I was expecting more from him tbf.

He was supposed to be the player's manager, the leader of men, galvanising the team to pull one out of the bag and battle through.

I've seen nothing of this, hiding behind Carrick, his petulant press briefing, playing RvP the full 90 when he was injured, his handling of Fabio and Zaha.

I think we chose wrong, not his fault, just not up to the job, thanks Dave, but move on.

At this moment Big Sam's looking like a good option, maybe Tel, I wonder what souness is doing.... Keane anybody?
 
markorm said:
I was expecting more from him tbf.

He was supposed to be the player's manager, the leader of men, galvanising the team to pull one out of the bag and battle through.

I've seen nothing of this, hiding behind Carrick, his petulant press briefing, playing RvP the full 90 when he was injured, his handling of Fabio and Zaha.

I think we chose wrong, not his fault, just not up to the job, thanks Dave, but move on.

At this moment Big Sam's looking like a good option, maybe Tel, I wonder what souness is doing.... Keane anybody?
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Roy Keane? SAF would go mental, there would actually be violence.
 
Kostur said:
Reading posts like yours, it makes me wonder, what if we lose against Liverpool ? It's obvious that Moyes won't be sacked 'immediately after the game', I'll tell you more, he won't be sacked this season, but what's next? You'll 'hope' that there will be next club that comes around and fecks us good just so you can hope he gets sacked again?

Not going to bother fighting people that want him out, it's understandable, but get your shit together and don't forget that you're not supporting David Moyes FC but Manchester United, and if you 'want to see Liverpool punk us', then you can always start supporting the fellow dippers.
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I don't hope Liverpool sodomize us. What I hope is that we destroy them and that we go on a rampage and claim the fourth spot. And that we go on to make a legitimate trophy run next season. That's all I wish for. I don't care if David Moyes or David Bowie is our manager -- if he can lead Manchester United Football Club to its rightful place among the powers of Europe then I'm fine with whoever occupies the manager's seat.

The problem is this. It's hard to find evidence that this manager is the right manager to lead this club. I would never say that I want Liverpool to defeat us so that Moyes can be sacked; what I am saying is that if we're just drifting along and losing to bottom table clubs and playing progressively worse football every week perhaps we just just need that one match where the bandage gets ripped and we can all move on to dealing with the core problem.

To be clear, I want Moyes to succeed and there's nothing more I would like to see than us win the rest of our remaining matches this season, which would result in us winning the CL and ending up either fourth or fifth in the league. That would be an incredible, story book finish to what had been a poor season through the first 2/3 of that season.
 
Drummer said:
Actually I work in financial services industry and am speaking purely from a professional speculative perspective.
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How often in that industry do people hire directors who are not qualified for the job, then stick with them while they continually fail to live up to the minimum objectives?
 
Keenst said:
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Not a major surprise. Moyes' backers will say there is nothing major to say that he has lost dressing room but it has felt that way for a good 2-3 months for me, just look at the evidence that nearly every player is in shocking form for a long while now.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Not a major surprise. Moyes' backers will say there is nothing major to say that he has lost dressing room but it has felt that way for a good 2-3 months for me, just look at the evidence that nearly every player is in shocking form for a long while now.
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Agreed. It's looked that way for far too long for there to be nothing in the rumours.
 
Shane88 said:
http://www.theguardian.com/football...ive-friendlies-champions-league-europa-league

Mid-season money friendlies > Champions League.

Thanks, Dave.
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And this answers the people who say: "So what? Don't panic you spoilt brats! So what, we wait for 3-4 years giving him 100m every year until he finds what he needs! Remember Fergie?...... Be patient!"

Well, there you have it. It's a different era. We can't afford to stay mediocre for 2-3 years. We depend on the money we generate through our success. We can't open a charity for Moyes to succeed at our days.

We're now digging too deep to compensate for our loss, trying to milk the money we can generate from our reputation to the last drop. That's not a good sign. What's next? Beg the supporters for donations so Moyes can enough time to succeed?
 
Everyone is loving what is happening at United now, thay have all been waiting for it for two decades. But, we should stand strong and wait for next season. If it's still the same, then I will agree with them all. But, for now, we are still better than all of them. Why? Because we are United, and we stand by our manager and we know we will get there in the end, just like Fergie said.
 
Re: the fans not booing.

It's simply a case of fans getting behind the team and encouraging them with the general assumption being that booing has a detrimental effect on the confidence of the team and thereby the results.

Which raises the question: If fans in the stadium had been more hostile, would results have been even worse? Or could it have actually sparked the team into playing better? Or, does it really change nothing whatsoever?
 
Rowem said:
Which raises the question: If fans in the stadium had been more hostile, would results have been even worse? Or could it have actually sparked the team into playing better? Or, does it really change nothing whatsoever?
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I don't think it would change anything whatsoever. The results couldn't get much worse and the players are already devoid of confidence so I doubt would have that much of an impact.
 
Giggsforever said:
Everyone is loving what is happening at United now, thay have all been waiting for it for two decades. But, we should stand strong and wait for next season. If it's still the same, then I will agree with them all. But, for now, we are still better than all of them. Why? Because we are United, and we stand by our manager and we know we will get there in the end, just like Fergie said.
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"Like Fergie said". It's becoming very Scientology-esque.

Is it a good thing to be loyal to incompetence?

Personally, I don't "know we will get there in the end". Unless by 'there' you mean the bottom-10?
 
Rowem said:
Re: the fans not booing.

It's simply a case of fans getting behind the team and encouraging them with the general assumption being that booing has a detrimental effect on the confidence of the team and thereby the results.

Which raises the question: If fans in the stadium had been more hostile, would results have been even worse? Or could it have actually sparked the team into playing better? Or, does it really change nothing whatsoever?
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The only thing I think it'd do at this stage would just increase the pressure on Moyes, make it harder for him to come back and give the whole club a more negative feel to it... The results could hardly get much worse, and our confidence is pretty close to rock bottom (with games vs Liverpool, City and potentially getting knocked out of the champions league, we might just get to rock bottom).
 
Giggsforever said:
Everyone is loving what is happening at United now, thay have all been waiting for it for two decades. But, we should stand strong and wait for next season. If it's still the same, then I will agree with them all. But, for now, we are still better than all of them. Why?
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Because we get to play mid-season friendlies and they don't?
 
Giggsforever said:
Everyone is loving what is happening at United now, thay have all been waiting for it for two decades. But, we should stand strong and wait for next season. If it's still the same, then I will agree with them all. But, for now, we are still better than all of them. Why? Because we are United, and we stand by our manager and we know we will get there in the end, just like Fergie said.
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Sorry but that's a little bit cringey... We're a football club just like every other club. We're not "better then" all of them. That's just an incredibly stuck up and rawkish thing to say IMO.

Agree though everyone's been waiting for this and they're all loving it, but it won't solve itself. Sticking by your manager when he's doing shit doesn't automatically turn David Moyes into Sir Alex Ferguson. Moyes still needs to basically completely change everything he's ever done in his management career, definitely everything he's so far at United because continuing in the same vein will get him the boot very quickly, because that is not how you manage a top club like ours.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
I can't see this on my phone. Can you give me the lowdown on what is being said?
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He says he has talked to an inside source who says that things are even worse than they are being reported. "Moyes has completely lost the dressing room, he has to go now," he quotes the source.
 
Keenst said:
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If that's true (and Honingstein looks to me that he knows his stuff) then every minute we continue this farce is a minute spend badly. We have heard for certain individs don't liking him, but 'completely losing the dressing room' is the moment when the manager has to go. Even if he is a very good manager, something that Moyes isn't.
 
Giggsforever said:
Everyone is loving what is happening at United now, thay have all been waiting for it for two decades. But, we should stand strong and wait for next season. If it's still the same, then I will agree with them all. But, for now, we are still better than all of them. Why? Because we are United, and we stand by our manager and we know we will get there in the end, just like Fergie said.
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Yes. Because United fans say so. Feck next year, we may go to Conference and we will still be bigger and better than all other clubs. Combined!
 
Jev said:
"Like Fergie said". It's becoming very Scientology-esque.

Is it a good thing to be loyal to incompetence?

Personally, I don't "know we will get there in the end". Unless by 'there' you mean the bottom-10?
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Well,you have to give him time to prove that it's incompetence, and that is not all proven by no. He has been bad, but the only major point for me is that he is playing Rooney to offensively and it's disrupting our general play. I will not go into it further, because it will take a lot of time, but let's give him time and judge him after that.
 
Giggsforever said:
Well,you have to give him time to prove that it's incompetence, and that is not all proven by no. He has been bad, but the only major point for me is that he is playing Rooney to offensively and it's disrupting our general play. I will not go into it further, because it will take a lot of time, but let's give him time and judge him after that.
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You sometimes wonder if Father Christmas might be real, don't you?
 
He's had more than enough time, if any of thats true he really has created something special by losing the dressing room in less than a year. These players are professionals and as greedy as they are they want to win and most of them know how to behave, if those guys collectively have no faith in the manager then its game over man.

Or atleast it should be, but you know "We are Man Utd"™.
 
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