Moyes has to go

Moyes out?

  • Knee jerk/I object to the term knee jerk because I told you he was going to be rubbish in 2003

    Votes: 296 80.4%

  • Head in sand/My name is Baghdad Bob and everything is going to be OK

    Votes: 72 19.6%
  • Total voters
    368
  • Poll closed .
Cal? said:
I just don't see any good reason to wait till the summer to sack him, the season is dead and we might as well give Giggsy a go at this management malarky.
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If they wait until the summer does the succession process do likewise? We've also got several players heading off to the World Cup who are possibly planning on leaving as a direct result of Moyes, prolonged uncertainty won't help this situation.

I don't think it will keep until Christmas either, the break has to be made in time to give the new manager a chance.
 
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devil in me said:
Yep, and you never know, something like that might inspire a big result against Olypiakos (big night at OT, special atmosphere etc etc). At least there is a slim (very, very slim) chance of him doing a Di Matteo!
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Or we could sack Moyes and appoint Di Matteo? :angel:
 
I don't think losing to Liverpool or City necessarily makes any difference to Moyes position, unless it's a really embarrassing couple of defeats.

Losing both of those 3-0, and then going out to Olympiakos over 10 days would be too much to survive though!
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
If they leave it until the summer will they leave the succession planning until then too? We've also got several players heading off to the World Cup who are very possibly planning on leaving as a direct result of the current regime, prolonged uncertainty won't help the situation.

I don't think we can lave it to Christmas either, the break has to be made in time to give the new manager a chance. It the medium to long term the club might need to plan for a DoF as this is often what many continental coaches feel used to.
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Exactly, sack him, let Giggs have a go for a couple of months and throw a sizable chunk of the oft-quoted war chest at Klopp, everybody has a price...
 
Cal? said:
Exactly, sack him, let Giggs have a go for a couple of months and throw a sizable chunk of the oft-quoted war chest at Klopp, everybody has a price...
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Giggs , with SAF as an advisor for some big games. Giggs would be in charge, but SAF would be there to motivate the team, at least until May.
 
Crackers said:
Giggs , with SAF as an advisor for some big games. Giggs would be in charge, but SAF would be there to motivate the team, at least until May.
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Alternatively, get Sir Alex back, perhaps his wife has got over her sister and feeling bored with him home all the time.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Yeah but that's also because of how great we played and the meaning in context of the title race. I can't see how this can be thrilling for any united supporter. It's shit football and shit results. As thrilling as a two day cramp in both calves.
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Not saying i agree pal - just what the poster is getting at. Im in no way happy with whats going on and those who speak to me on here know that!
 
Cal? said:
Alternatively, get Sir Alex back, perhaps his wife has got over her sister and feeling bored with him home all the time.
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Bringing SAF back would be the BIGGEST mistake ever. Im all for Moyes going but bring saf back is not the solution - there has to be a break if we are going to succeed in the future.
 
I'd worry that if we appoint Giggs as caretaker manager there'll be a big temptation to appoint him full time once results improve (and they should improve).

I really don't want an inexperienced manager like Giggs appointed over proven quality but it's exactly the sort of thing we would do.
 
LonelyFire said:
Bringing SAF back would be the BIGGEST mistake ever. Im all for Moyes going but bring saf back is not the solution - there has to be a break if we are going to succeed in the future.
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Definitely agree with this. SAF is gone, we need to move on.
 
pablotatt said:
Evra is apparently one of the unsettling factors. Mainly due to being painfully loyal to Fergie and the previous backroom staff. Same applies to Robin.
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He can't have appreciated disrespectful manner in which Moyes attempted to sideline him over the summer either, poor show straight from the off.
 
sullydnl said:
I'd worry that if we appoint Giggs as caretaker manager there'll be a big temptation to appoint him full time once results improve (and they should improve).

I really don't want an inexperienced manager like Giggs appointed over proven quality but it's exactly the sort of thing we would do.
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Understand your concerns but there isn't a cats chance in hell giggs would get it full time. Caretaker yes but not perm. Given moyes debacle, club will go for proven quality.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
He can't have appreciated disrespectful manner in which Moyes attempted to sideline him over the summer either, poor show straight from the off.
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There is a school of thought that evra wanted to go, hence moyes chasing a left back. Evra then agreed to stay on as moyes couldn't get first choice.
 
LonelyFire said:
Understand your concerns but there isn't a cats chance in hell giggs would get it full time. Caretaker yes but not perm. Given moyes debacle, club will go for proven quality.
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What if they listen to SAF again? He'd definitely go for it, would fit nicely with the idea of maintaing what he built at the club.

My other worry is the fact that (if Klopp isn't available) there isn't really a clear-cut outstanding candidate. Mad bastards might see Giggs as a safe option in comparison.

In a way picking a successor to Moyes is an even bigger deal than picking a successor to SAF. This is the point where a poor spell can turn into a real decline.
 
LonelyFire said:
There is a school of thought that evra wanted to go, hence moyes chasing a left back. Evra then agreed to stay on as moyes couldn't get first choice.
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That might hold water, sort of, if not for the Coentrao bid on deadline day [which would have left Paddy right in the lurch]. And save for the rumours linking him with Monaco nothing of substance materialised.
 
sullydnl said:
What if they listen to SAF again? He'd definitely go for it, would fit nicely with the idea of maintaing what he built at the club.

My other worry is the fact that (if Klopp isn't available) there isn't really a clear-cut outstanding candidate. Mad bastards might see Giggs as a safe option in comparison.

In a way picking a successor to Moyes is an even bigger deal than picking a successor to SAF. This is the point where a poor spell can turn into a real decline.
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I don't see SAF being involved this time. He aligned himself with moyes. Club will go with a different direction this time.

Its a vital decision and we have to ensure there is a clear interviewing process this time.

Clear candidate? Klopp is the outstanding candidate no doubt. But Van Gaal, Capello, Simeone, Heycknes could all be approached
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
That might hold water, sort of, if not for the Coentrao bid on deadline day [which would have left Paddy right in the lurch]. And save for the rumours linking him with Monaco nothing of substance materialised.
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You may be correct - hey, im not in interest of defending moyes, just providing a balance.

Anyway, paddy has been a stalwart. Great servant to the club
 
LonelyFire said:
Bringing SAF back would be the BIGGEST mistake ever. Im all for Moyes going but bring saf back is not the solution - there has to be a break if we are going to succeed in the future.
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Pexbo said:
:lol: fecking hell Cal?


Also I wish you'd get rid of that stupid questionmark.

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I didn't have the "?" when I signed up, one of the mods decided to add it years ago.

sullydnl said:
I'd worry that if we appoint Giggs as caretaker manager there'll be a big temptation to appoint him full time once results improve (and they should improve).

I really don't want an inexperienced manager like Giggs appointed over proven quality but it's exactly the sort of thing we would do.
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Unless he Di Matteos the CL, I doubt that will happen.
 
LonelyFire said:
You may be correct - hey, im not in interest of defending moyes, just providing a balance.

Anyway, paddy has been a stalwart. Great servant to the club
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Understood.

Yes he's been a most valued servant to the club for the better part of decade, and how many others who share that quality are also amongst those believed to be disaffected/unwanted? Rafael and Hernandez are not your atypical troublemaker for example.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Understood.

Yes he's been a most valued servant to the club for the better part of decade, and how many others who share that quality are also amongst those believed to be disaffected/unwanted? Rafael and Hernandez are not your atypical troublemaker for example.
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I don't think we have troublemakers - just think we have players genuinely bemused at the manager. I think it's clear Moyes does not rate rafael, and if by some miracle Moyes is still here next season, then rafael won't be.
 
If we are to get rid of him I'd rather we do it now and see if we can overturn the CL deficit. If not, we might as well see it through to the end of the season in the faint hope that Moyes turns it around.
 
hmm I posted a pic and the entire post has vanished? any else have an issue like this?
 
Danny1982 said:
I always thought RVP's statement after the Olympiacos game a dig at Moyes not the players. Because he didn't complain about them not passing the ball to him, he was complaining about the positions at which they were playing, and that's the coach's job.
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That's how I seen it too, the players know already that he is the wrong guy so he needs to be sent packing as soon as possible.
 
LonelyFire said:
I don't see SAF being involved this time. He aligned himself with moyes. Club will go with a different direction this time.

Its a vital decision and we have to ensure there is a clear interviewing process this time.

Clear candidate? Klopp is the outstanding candidate no doubt. But Van Gaal, Capello, Simeone, Heycknes could all be approached
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i'd be very happy with Capello. We need a hard man running our club for 2-3 years.
 
Kaos said:
Can you care to elaborate on what you think these are? I'm genuinely intrigued.
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When he was at Everton, there were specific training drills targeted towards switches of play, making use of the halfspace (runs near the edge of the 18 yard box)working the ball through the middle, and high pressure in midfield. While these aspects were not the main components of Everton's play from game to game as Moyes was reactionary, they were definitely some things I liked from watching Everton's training videos.

Sadly, he's not instilled any of these things into the squad. There were a few games where we were using a higher line with Jones and Evans and although the attacking football wasn't great, it allowed us to have a bit more control of the space and the ball. That's as positive as it gets I'm afraid.
 
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