Moyes has to go

Moyes out?

  • Knee jerk/I object to the term knee jerk because I told you he was going to be rubbish in 2003

    Votes: 296 80.4%
  • Head in sand/My name is Baghdad Bob and everything is going to be OK

    Votes: 72 19.6%

  • Total voters
    368
  • Poll closed .
Good post and read your tactics, but how much is player confidence effecting the ability to implement any tactics.

I think the major question comes down to whether or not you think Moyes can be successful if he gets the personnel in to play the way he prefers and whether or not Moyes can grow into a great manager.

SAF thought he had the credentials and while its not been a great start by any stretch of the imagination, I choose to trust the board (which SAF has a major voice) to keep or dispose of Moyes when they feel he will not succeed. Until they decide otherwise I will continue to support the manager because I know they are more informed then the vast majority of United fans . .

A few interesting questions there.

In terms of tactics/motivated players, thats an age old question that there's no real answer to. If you go around the world different countries have different takes. In Argentina for instance, I've read that every victory or defeat is talked about almost solely in terms of the tactical battle. England however is actually one of the countries least interested in tactics, where wins or losses are always seen in terms of effort and motivation. I guess its fair to say that both have to be in place to be successful.

The next is about whether Moyes could be successful if he had the players he wants. I worry that a flat version of 4-4-2 is hard to make work at all in the modern game, even by players adept at it. The heart of the modern game is about possession. Most of the top teams play with 3 or more in the middle at all times. Either like at City where they have two wide players drifting in from the flanks at once to outnumber the central players, or at Bayern & Barca where every player seems to be midfielder - even the centre backs and strikers. Even Fergie ditched plain old 4-4-2 circa 2000-03 when we were getting outsmarted every week by teams like PSV, Fiorentina and (memorably) Madrid. Ever since that time he's normally sought to play at least three in the centre of the pitch, either by adding Veron to the mix, or later by playing Park on the wings, who always moved in and played as an extra midfielder, or by playing Scholes, Anderson, Carrick at once. My guess is that 4-4-2 might make you competitive in the day to day PL, but to win the key games against the top teams in the league or Europe, its unlikely to work.
 
Maybe confidence isn't the issue, and enthusiasm is.
Maybe it's both Steve. If their confidence is low, then they probably have lost enthusiasm to play. That all of football and their fans are watching for the next failure and that every mistake is either greeted by groans or laughter. They need someone to tell them they are still great players and to be honest they need someone to give them a big hug. Loss of confidence can be debilitating for some. Moyes should have done this already. Trouble is I think he is that wrapped up in his own misery there is nobody else to do it.
 
Interesting. Didn't know we had a mole at Carrington. Care to share those instructions with the rest of us?

Of course because we'd need a f****** 'mole at Carrington' to assume the utter shite we've played in the last few months has been down to the person giving the instructions.

Or maybe we should just assume the players decided one night in June over a game of cards "sod it, let's just pass it out wide all season for a laugh." But there'd need to be a mole in the dressing room to confirm that, of course.

Can't stand arsey arses who play the "oh so you have proof of this do you" when someone makes a reasonable point. I didn't realise stating that players play the way the manager instructs was so controversial. I look forward to many attachments and documented evidence to substantiate whichever point it is you'd like to make next.
 
Every morning I wake up in the hope that the news might be he's been sacked.

I do that. I woke up on Wednesday morning and hastily logged on hoping the read that Moyes had been sacked by the club. I even had a dream last night that Hernandez made an anti Moyes tweet which had RVP, Rooney, Evra, Rio, Carrick, Flecther and some other players names hashtagged at the bottom as a form of protest at him still being at the club.
 
Of course because we'd need a f****** 'mole at Carrington' to assume the utter shite we've played in the last few months has been down to the person giving the instructions.

Or maybe we should just assume the players decided one night in June over a game of cards "sod it, let's just pass it out wide all season for a laugh." But there'd need to be a mole in the dressing room to confirm that, of course.

Oh right. Spreading it wide is a tactic we're trying for the first time this season? My bad. Could have sworn I'd seen it somewhere before...
 
Oh right. Spreading it wide is a tactic we're trying for the first time this season? My bad. Could have sworn I'd seen it somewhere before...
You're very good at twisting posts to suit your point, you never really seem to answer anything though.
 
Interesting. Didn't know we had a mole at Carrington.

This explains our reluctance to play on the floor...

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At last, Pogue's T0p Red posting provides something of an answer for our decline this season.
 
Every morning I wake up in the hope that the news might be he's been sacked.

I'm the same, I wake up every morning emembering my recent ex and the fact that David Moyes is still our manager, makes for some shit mornings :lol:

I even drop a "moyes to be sacked" on google and look at the sacking odds and clutch on to any rumours that have surfaced. Desperate times man :lol:
 
I've been a Moyes Out man since we saw him disgrace the club in August, but I always wanted to see us win games even if that meant he stayed. (It seemed the right thing,).

But I'm almost at the point where I want to see Liverpool punk us so that the Glazers are forced to do what is necessary.

The emotions I, and I suspect others, feel are despair, loathing, anger and frustration. What I refuse to give into, however, is resignation.

If Moyes can engineer a magnificent run beginning with Liverpool he will have my full backing for another season. But if Liverpool disrobe and sodomize us Moyes must be sacked immediately after the game.
 
I've been a Moyes Out man since we saw him disgrace the club in August, but I always wanted to see us win games even if that meant he stayed. (It seemed the right thing,).

But I'm almost at the point where I want to see Liverpool punk us so that the Glazers are forced to do what is necessary.

The emotions I, and I suspect others, feel are despair, loathing, anger and frustration. What I refuse to give into, however, is resignation.

If Moyes can engineer a magnificent run beginning with Liverpool he will have my full backing for another season. But if Liverpool disrobe and sodomize us Moyes must be sacked immediately after the game.

Reading posts like yours, it makes me wonder, what if we lose against Liverpool ? It's obvious that Moyes won't be sacked 'immediately after the game', I'll tell you more, he won't be sacked this season, but what's next? You'll 'hope' that there will be next club that comes around and fecks us good just so you can hope he gets sacked again?

Not going to bother fighting people that want him out, it's understandable, but get your shit together and don't forget that you're not supporting David Moyes FC but Manchester United, and if you 'want to see Liverpool punk us', then you can always start supporting the fellow dippers.
 
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I reckon it's going to finish with a Keegan style resignation.

"No, I'm not going out there, they hate me."
 
I feel sad for Moyes. He wants this so bad, but he just dont got what it takes. He should resign or be sacked now.

I might regret this post in some years time, but right now, I think his the wrong man for us.
 
Reading posts like yours, it makes me wonder, what if we lose against Liverpool ? It's obvious that Moyes won't be sacked 'immediately after the game', I'll tell you more, he won't be sacked this season, but what's next? You'll 'hope' that there will be next club that comes around and fecks us good just so you can hope he gets sacked again?

Not going to bother fighting people that want him out, it's understandable, but get your shit together and don't forget that you're not supporting David Moyes FC but Manchester United, and if you 'want to see Liverpool punk us', then you can always start supporting the fellow dippers.
Problem is we will get battered by Liverpool, he won't be sacked and we will all be doubly depressed. At least if we beat Liverpool and he isn't sacked it is only one level of depression. If he does stay on I hope he can make us all look foolish.
 
Calling them cnuts? For bringing the trophies we enjoyed?

And you call urself fans? Expecting them to play with pride while the fans called them cnuts? Hypocrites, how bout supporting the club thru thick and thin?

And what about moyes? Why dont u call him a cnut as well, he's the biggest let down of them all, heck let's call saf a cnut as well for pointing the wrong man.

Some respect ffs
:lol:
 
I've been a Moyes Out man since we saw him disgrace the club in August, but I always wanted to see us win games even if that meant he stayed. (It seemed the right thing,).

But I'm almost at the point where I want to see Liverpool punk us so that the Glazers are forced to do what is necessary.

The emotions I, and I suspect others, feel are despair, loathing, anger and frustration. What I refuse to give into, however, is resignation.

If Moyes can engineer a magnificent run beginning with Liverpool he will have my full backing for another season. But if Liverpool disrobe and sodomize us Moyes must be sacked immediately after the game.

:lol:

What a pathetic post. The transfer window in August wasn't great but saying he disgraced the club is just plain stupid.

As for wanting Liverpool to smash us, just feck off.
 
I've been a Moyes Out man since we saw him disgrace the club in August, but I always wanted to see us win games even if that meant he stayed. (It seemed the right thing,).

But I'm almost at the point where I want to see Liverpool punk us so that the Glazers are forced to do what is necessary.

The emotions I, and I suspect others, feel are despair, loathing, anger and frustration. What I refuse to give into, however, is resignation.

If Moyes can engineer a magnificent run beginning with Liverpool he will have my full backing for another season. But if Liverpool disrobe and sodomize us Moyes must be sacked immediately after the game.
Ah jaysus, you're a fecking loon.
 
these kind of threads show what a bunch of goons a lot of our fans are.

Why is it the ones who've never been to a game live are often the most whingey?
 
these kind of threads show what a bunch of goons a lot of our fans are.

Why is it the ones who've never been to a game live are often the most whingey?
:rolleyes:
I once went to a game that wasn't live.
 
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I'm a ST holder, and I've been whingeing all season. :(

I've got a number of mates and family members (all older than 40) who are regular match goers who are all firmly 'anti-Moyes'.

I think there's a misconception that because fans aren't booing that all are in the 'pro-Moyes' camp, when they really aren't.
 
these kind of threads show what a bunch of goons a lot of our fans are.

Why is it the ones who've never been to a game live are often the most whingey?

Seems like those guys that have never been to a game before show no blind faith in a manager that is out of his depth.
 
I've got a number of mates and family members (all older than 40) who are regular match goers who are all firmly 'anti-Moyes'.

I think there's a misconception that because fans aren't booing that all are in the 'pro-Moyes' camp, when they really aren't.

Yup. My nephew is a regular too and he can't stand him. And he does rant occasionally on the internet.
 
I've got a number of mates and family members (all older than 40) who are regular match goers who are all firmly 'anti-Moyes'.

I think there's a misconception that because fans aren't booing that all are in the 'pro-Moyes' camp, when they really aren't.
Yeah, only reason there has been no booing (or sacking from the owners) is because we don't want to seem like Chelsea/Arsenal or anyone else, and because of what Fergie said. Nothing to do with Moyes or people believing in him. I'm sure if there was an anonymous poll and people put their true feelings on the matter, the vast majority of match goers would be relieved, even happy if he got sacked tomorrow.
 
Talking of dreams - I dreamt that our 8-2 drubbing of Arsenal ended 18-2 and guess who the best passer and mover was? Cleverley!
 
I'm incredibly surprised at the Old Trafford crowd. I was at the Stoke game when Nani got booed for a poor performance (where he managed an assist). If they're going to boo that..?

Whatever Ferguson said, I would expect a good number (at least by now) to have started to ignore that and made their feelings clear. It's crazy to me that we haven't heard more scattered booing atleast.

Perhaps we'd be doing Ferguson a favour by booing him. We could then sack him and say that it had become untenable without the support of the fans/players - and Ferguson would have us to blame forever rather than admitting he fecked up.